Internet Explorers

We sit down with Internet-native builder and creative coder Mike Bodge to break down his newest experiment: AUX, a gamified curation tool for attention, links, and taste.
Described as StumbleUpon meets group chat meets token-powered leaderboard, AUX lets you post URLs that battle for the Internet's front page. It's an onchain attention economy that's equal parts meme-fuel and media archive—designed with taste, not virality, in mind.
Before Mike joins, Jess, Josh, and Peace explore the week's most interesting moments: Noice, the evolution of creator tokens, and why L1 assets might be in trouble. Plus: MoviePass is back (?!) and trying to make you a fantasy film mogul.
Stick around to the end for a heartfelt goodbye—a big new chapter awaits us all.
This episode unpacks:
How Noice turns Farcaster into a microtip economy
The messy future of creator tokens
Why apps, not L1s, will capture disprortionate value
What AUX reveals about curating Internet taste
How Mike Bodge hides the crypto in his app
Rekt as the blueprint for brand-backed tokens
What MoviePass is building with $100M (?!?)
The difference between novelty loops and compounding crypto businesses
Why VCs are rethinking the startup funding factory
A preview of what's coming after Internet Explorers
Chapters:
0:00 — Intro: Discussing end of Q2 and Bitcoin's quiet ATH
5:06 — Noice taking over Farcaster world and L1 discussions
15:31 — Introducing Mike Bodge and AUX: Internet attention machines
29:32 — AUX: Curating the ultimate feed for the internet
38:14 — Tokenomics and business model behind AUX platform
46:48 — Exploring AUX's content and user engagement strategies
54:10 — Discussing changing landscape of startup fundraising strategies
58:05 — Brand coins: Capturing social and cultural value
1:00:03 — MoviePass raises $100M for fantasy movie mogul game
1:07:49 — Announcement: farewell (for the moment), teasing future plans
Internet Explorers is a weekly rundown show where extremely online individuals broadly explore (romanticize, even) new consumer Internet experiences.
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Will the concept of "Internet Capital Markets" reshape how founders raise capital? 
This episode explores the implications of platforms like Believe, which enable app developers to bypass traditional VC funding. Featuring guest co-host Jarrod Dicker, the discussion delves into the challenges and opportunities of this new paradigm, including the tension between short-term speculation and long-term value creation. The conversation examines the evolving dynamics between founders, investors, and users in the crypto ecosystem, and considers how consumer crypto apps might redefine the role of blockchain platforms in the future.
This episode unpacks
How "Internet Capital Markets" might redefine fundraising
Believe's app-store-style token launch approach
Tokenomics: bonding curves, AMMs, and "quote pair" models
Speculator demand versus compounding network value
Lessons from 2017 ICOs and current regulatory gray areas
Retail token buyers as long-term investors—or not
The extraction dilemma in high-velocity markets
Stablecoins and RWAs as on-ramps to mass adoption
B2B integrations fueling broader crypto consumer apps
Designing token incentives for emotional engagement
Chapters:
0:00 — Intro: Bullish outlook on crypto space
5:21 — Internet Capital Markets and token launchers
10:57 — Challenges of expanding the crypto buyer pool
16:14 — Balancing consumer needs with blockchain expectations
21:54 — Potential of micro-transactions in crypto products
27:22 — Impact of consumer crypto apps on market dynamics
32:09 — B2B as gateway for broader consumer adoption
37:55 — Importance of expanding beyond existing crypto users
43:52 — Metrics and transparency in crypto companies
50:40 — Consumer apps challenging L1/L2 blockchain narratives
56:48 — Speculative demand as driver for new users
1:02:16 — Optimism for crypto space despite regulatory challenges
 
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What happens when you unleash thousands of AI agents into a fake economy filled with scams, memecoins, and market manipulation? Poof from DX Terminal joins Internet Explorers to explain why that might be the future of crypto.
In this week's episode of Internet Explorers, we dive into the second banana zone with a special guest: Poof from DX Terminal. The gang explores DX Terminal's wild new simulation—a weeklong, no-stakes, AI-generated memecoin market that's equal parts Mario Kart and Wolf of Wall Street.
They also unpack a massive week of mainstream adoption: Stripe's move into stablecoins, Meta's rumored payout rails, and Robinhood's blockchain ambitions. Meanwhile, consumer apps like Focus Tree are outpacing entire L2s, and Jess asks the big one: do chains even matter anymore?
From social wallets to speculative agents, this episode is a chaotic ride through the bleeding edge of consumer crypto—and the internet-native markets it's giving birth to.
This episode unpacks:
Stripe's stablecoin strategy and why it matters
DX Terminal's AI simulation of an onchain memecoin market
Why Poof ditched real-world tokens for in-game economics
How Focus Tree beat StarkNet in daily users
Why crypto Twitter kills retention
The power of mini apps on social wallets
DX Terminal's art collaboration with Gremlin
Lessons from training thousands of AI trading agents
Why ephemeral software may be the next big thing
How Poof thinks about the "autonomous economy"
Chapters:
0:00 — Intro: Crypto market sentiment and recent news
5:37 — DX Terminal: AI agent simulation of crypto world
11:28 — Stablecoins and mainstream crypto adoption accelerating
18:01 — Building for broader market vs crypto Twitter
23:29 — Focus Tree: Successful consumer crypto app example
29:05 — DX Terminal: Details on gameplay and launch
34:48 — Reflections on working with AI for 5 months
41:07 — Ephemeral software and AI experimentation insights
48:38 — Advice for getting into AI development
54:57 — Coinbase Wallet integrating Farcaster: Potential challenges
1:02:31 — Minia demo day highlights and Zora episode
 
Internet Explorers is a weekly rundown show where extremely online individuals broadly explore (romanticize, even) new consumer Internet experiences.
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If content "wants to be free", how can creators get paid?
In this special edition live interview, we sit down with Jacob Horne, cofounder of Zora, for a candid conversation on the company's evolving vision—and what they got wrong early on.
Jacob opens up about Zora's shift from marketplace to protocol, why onchain media matters more than ever, and how consumer apps in crypto have been missing the point. If you've ever wondered what Zora actually is or where it's going next, this is the episode to hear it from the source.
Along the way: protocol tradeoffs, the fragility of NFT incentives, and why Zora is now all-in on supporting the onchain internet through composable creation tools. It's a peek behind the curtain of one of crypto's most culturally influential companies.
This episode unpacks
Why Zora is no longer a marketplace company
How protocol thinking changed their product strategy
The tension between creator and collector incentives
What "onchain media" really means to Jacob
The risks of speculative activity dominating apps
Why Zora is focused on creative tooling
How Zora thinks about interoperability
A breakdown of Zora's current app ecosystem
What success looks like for a protocol
Why this is a 20-year project
Chapters:
00:00 — Intro
01:05 — Jacob joins the stage
03:02 — Zora is not a marketplace
07:33 — What went wrong in 2021
10:56 — Owning the protocol
13:31 — Measuring success
17:24 — Creators vs speculators
21:44 — Zora's real product
26:07 — What it means to be onchain
30:30 — Long-term vision
34:53 — Future of Zora apps
39:27 — The internet is half-finished
44:10 — Open protocols to black boxes
49:15 — What meme coins unlock
53:38 — Why the DAO model broke
57:20 — Building for liquidity, not hype
01:00:42 — UX is the real innovation
01:04:17 — How Zora builds for decades
01:07:39 — Farcon week & final thoughts
 
Internet Explorers is a weekly rundown show where extremely online individuals broadly explore (romanticize, even) new consumer Internet experiences.
Join us⁠ live on Twitter/X, Fridays 10am PT / 1pm ET.
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$ZORA is here, memecoins are changing, CT is mad—but what does it all mean?
This episode unpacks Zora's recent token launch, explores the burdens of governance, and dives deep into how "just-for-fun" tokens might be redefining crypto markets, if not the very concept of "value." Later, special guest RAC (André Allen Anjos) joins to discuss Memory Protocol, the ambitious new identity and data-sharing layer he's co-founded, which promises to revolutionize how we manage and monetize our digital identities—starting with the music industry.
This episode unpacks:
$ZORA token launch and market reactions
The difference between governance and memecoins
Brands taking their identities "public" through tokens
Exploring tokenized information markets with Politiswap
RAC's deep dive into Memory Protocol
Why data portability matters for creators and users
The intersection of identity, markets, and crypto incentives
How Fungi's AI bot optimizes DeFi yield
Launching apps and social dynamics onchain
Future of decentralized identity and monetization
Chapters:
00:00 — Intro: Discussing incentives for app collaboration
05:26 — Zora token launch and airdrop reactions
10:09 — Memory Protocol: Building data sharing infrastructure
16:20 — Factory fm: A Letterboxd for music
22:27 — Incentivizing data sharing between applications
28:30 — Farcon event announcement and Kamigotchi launch
34:17 — Oscillator: Building products for music industry
40:25 — Memory Protocol: Connecting apps and reducing friction
46:20 — Bootstrapping networks and proving use cases
55:34 — Fungi: AI-powered DeFi yield optimization agent
1:00:00 — Closing thoughts and upcoming content
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Internet Explorers is a weekly rundown show where extremely online individuals broadly explore (romanticize, even) new consumer Internet experiences.
Join us⁠ live on Twitter/X, Fridays 10am PT / 1pm ET.
Seed Club Twitter: https://x.com/seedclubhq
Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/internet-explorers/id1756599282
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6iJk3xZoij7pVhlNbTP9qS?si=4cda0ac044dc4c6a
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