The State Of Belief

Can a family be radical, and radically ordinary, at the same time? The question came up as I interviewed my guest this week – author Brad Gooch, who happens to be married to host Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush, and the other dad to their two kids.

Brad has written a book, Good Morning Moon: A Snapshot of an American Family, that’s both a personal memoir and a loving telling of their family’s story. During Pride Month, as same-gender families are being challenged on religious and political grounds, it’s wonderful to step away from the struggles and celebrate just how beautifully ordinary this radical life has turned out to be.

It’s also wonderful to celebrate how marriage equality, the law of the land since 2015, has turned out not to be the affront to religious freedom and traditional values despite all the fearmongering we’ve all endured. Guthrie Graves-Fitzsimmons authored a comprehensive new Interfaith Alliance report, Same-Gender Marriage and Religious Freedom, and he joins me to share some highlights.

More about our guests:

Brad Gooch is a best-selling poet, novelist and biographer whose books include biographies of Keith Haring, Frank O’Hara, Rumi, and Flannery O’Connor. His latest book is titled Good Morning Moon: A Snapshot of an American Family. It’s part memoir, part mystery, and a profile of the way many of us have been living, particularly since marriage equality became the law of the land.

Dr. Guthrie Graves-Fitzsimmons is Senior Vice President of Programs and Policy at Interfaith Alliance. Also living in a same-gender marriage, Guthrie is the author of Just Faith: Reclaiming Progressive Christianity.
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A backbone of the work we are able to do in the pro-democracy faith movement is the network of local Interfaith Alliance affiliates spread across the entire country—in red states and blue states and from sea to shining sea.

As the attacks on religious freedom for all intensify, more and more communities are creating Interfaith Alliance affiliates. At the same time, the longest-active affiliate, Interfaith Alliance of Iowa, just celebrated its 30th anniversary.

So this week, we bring together the longtime leader of Interfaith Alliance of Iowa, Connie Ryan, as well as the head of one of our brand-new affiliates, Rev. Ingrid McIntyre of Nashville, TN. Leading our nationwide affiliate program is Victoria Strang, and she’s also with us to provide a big-picture view of the crucial work happening in so many parts of our nation.

Any group can become an affiliate. Whether you are an existing interfaith organization or looking to start one in your community please reach out to us. You can find the map of our existing affiliates on interfaithalliance.org/affiliate-network. You will see a button on that page titled "Start an Affiliate." just fill out that form and someone from the team will get back to you.
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Rev. Dr. Serene Jones served as president of Union Theological Seminary in New York City for 18 years—long enough to see her own daughter graduate from the historic institution. During that time, she has been a strong advocate for integrating activism with theological education, mirroring her own calling and journey.

We get Rev. Jones’ insights into how a seminary education has changed in the past two decades, and how today’s students are facing the challenges and realities of 2026 America. Her take on how churches and universities kept our democracy knitted together, and how the moral discourse that came from that has diasppeared, is a powerful warning, and an urgent call to action.

More about Rev. Dr. Serene Jones

Rev. Dr. Serene Jones has been a Yale professor, President of the American Academy of Religion, and, for the past 18 years, President of the historic Union Theological Seminary in New York City. The institution promises to “prepare its students for committed lives of service to the church, academy, and society,” and Serene Jones is the first woman president in Union Seminary’s 188-year history.

This month, Rev. Dr. Jones is stepping down from this important role, but after a sabbatical she’ll be back at Union to teach, write, and continue her public theological engagement as Johnston Family Chair for Religion and Democracy.
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What does it mean to be a stranger? Rabbi Angela Buchdahl’s journey of faith, identity, and belonging teaches us the value of embracing the strangers among us—and our inner strangers, as well. In our increasingly divided world, the struggle to find belonging often leads us to question our identities. A cantor as well as a rabbi, she brings the experience of coming to a strange land, and the joy of leading Central Synagogue in New York City, one of the largest Jewish congregations in North America, to the conversation—as well as to her memoir Heart of a Stranger: An Unlike­ly Rab­bi’s Sto­ry of Faith, Iden­ti­ty, and Belonging.

Rabbi Angela has been a trailblazer in the Jewish community since 1999, when she became the first East-Asian person to be invested as a cantor anywhere in the world. In 2001, she became the first East-Asian American to be ordained a rabbi in North America. She came to Central Synagogue in New York as senior cantor in 2006 and was appointed senior rabbi in 2014.

Newsweek and The Daily Beast have included Rabbi Angela Buchdahl in their lists of America's "Most Influential Rabbis."

Read the Interfaith Alliance Marriage Equality White Paper by Dr. Guthrie Graves-Fitzsimmons that Paul introduces at the top of the show.

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What hope is there for the rule of law when the Justice Department is deployed to settle political scores and privilege one religion over others? A lot, as it turns out—but the work of rebuilding our nation's voting and justice systems won't be fast, and it won't be easy, according to this week's guest, Vanita Gupta, a civil rights attorney and former Associate Attorney General of the United States.

In conversation with host Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush, she emphasizes the fragility of our democracy due to eroding trust in institutions and urges moral courage among lawyers and citizens to defend justice and fairness. Vanita's insights on the power of faith communities in restoring trust and her call for cross-faith solidarity offer a hopeful path forward.
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