Dominic reports briefly on how your co-hosts returned home to their own personal Hurricane Harvey. Then (4:20) Imre Szeman returns to the podcast to talk about his new book Futures of the Sun: The Struggle Over Renewable Life (University of Minnesota Press, 2024), a marvelous analysis of the narratives that shape how we conceive of, and experience, energy futures. Imre explains how the book is as much about failed states as it is about renewable energy and highlights the struggle over who gets to define “common sense” as a central feature of politics today. Imre talks about the tech barons who have wriggled out of the cracks of state failure to promote technofeudalist politics. And then we turn to about the generational character of climate politics and the seemingly increasingly insane quality of populist politics. We close with what Imre is up to these days, including his work with the Canadian Green Party and his new position as Director of the Director of the Institute for Environment, Conservation, and Sustainability at the University of Toronto Scarborough. Hang in there, everyone, peace and love.
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233 - The Abyss (feat. Stacy Alaimo)
Cymene and Dominic report from Berlin, a land of feisty wasps (which are possibly bees) and haunted lakes. Then (16:38) we are so thrilled to welcome Queen of Ecodelia, Stacy Alaimo back to the podcast to discuss her brand new book The Abyss Stares Back: Encounters with Deep-Sea Life (U Minnesota Press, 2025). We talk about the history of the deep sea as a space of military, capitalist and scientific interest as well as a place of wonder and reflection. Stacy explains that the question of what it would take to provoke concern about life at the bottom of the sea inspired the project and why she became interested in creaturely aesthetics as a way of exploring the deep sea. We talk about the oceanic abyss as experimental space and foil for the extraterrestrial abyss and the critical potential of focusing on the richness of abyssal earthly life in contrast to the hypermasculinist mineral fantasies imposed on places like Mars. From there we talk about jellyfish and suffrage, the virtues of staying ignorant in the interpretive process, the limits of the sublime as analytic, and, of course, the importance of practicing ecodelia against the Anthropocene. What deep sea creature is Stacy eyeing for her next incarnation? You’ll have to listen to find out!
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232 - Lithium (feat. Mark Goodale)
Cymene and Dominic report from the most sus tourist apartment in Barcelona. Then (15:48) we are delighted to welcome Mark Goodale to the pod talk about his forthcoming book about the Bolivian lithium boom, Extracting the Future: Lithium in an era of Transition (U California Press, 2025). We start with the long history of extractivism in Bolivia, and why he found the concept of assemblage helpful to think with in characterizing the Bolivian lithium project today. We turn from there to Mark’s concept of “flexible extractivism” and how extractivist practices are being reabsorbed into a model of productive sovereignty that in turn is deeply invested in Bolivia’s history of gas exploration. We hear about the role that Silicon Valley types are playing in this process and talk about why the elemental form of lithium matters. We close with the ways in which the green energy transition extends the logic of the petrostate and how we can strive for more livable meso-worlds. Hang in there, everyone, peace and love.
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231 - Drifting (feat. Rafico Ruiz)
Dominic and Cymene complete their stint in paradise on this week’s podcast. We review some highlights from the final lap including multispecies erotica (snail edition) and Cymene’s first karaoke performance. Then (19:04) we are thrilled to welcome Rafico Ruiz (https://raficoruiz.info) to the conversation, the author of Slow Disturbance (Duke UP, 2021) who is finalizing a new book project Phase State Earth, which uses the different phase states of water to track the impact of shifting climatological conditions upon the earth. Rafi explains how a chance encounter with a bottle of water got him interested in ice and tells us the unbelievable story of a 1970s plan to tow icebergs to Saudi Arabia and what it says about resource imaginaries and water crises then and now. We move from there to talking about carbon subjects, climate change and global warming as a new settler in the Arctic. We hear about a new project, Arctic Infrastructures: A Damaged Field Guide and its experimental take on communicative infrastructure. Then we close talk about drifting, temperate privilege and the importance of recognizing Indigenous sovereignty claims in the North.
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230 - Intermission
Cymene and Dominic check in briefly from Italy on this week's podcast, begging your pardon for the lack of a guest and the double-helping of co-host chat time. But there is an Italian train-to-convent adventure to share as well as an update from this week Undercurrents conference in Venice and thoughts on season 2 of The Rehearsal. Back in two weeks with more excellent guests!
Cultures of Energy brings writers, artists and scholars together to talk, think and feel their way into the Anthropocene. We cover serious issues like climate change, species extinction and energy transition. But we also try to confront seemingly huge and insurmountable problems with insight, creativity and laughter.
We believe in the possibility of personal and cultural change. And we believe that the arts and humanities can help guide us toward a more sustainable future.
Cultures of Energy is a Mingomena Media production. Co-hosts are @DominicBoyer and @CymeneHowe
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