Cosmosis [Formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole]

• Into the Superspectrum: Following John Keel's Trojan Horse

  In this episode, Kelly and Jay revisit the groundbreaking work of John Keel, one of the most influential and controversial figures in UFO history. Known for Operation Trojan Horse and The Mothman Prophecies, Keel pushed beyond the limits of conventional ufology to propose ideas that remain provocative more than 50 years later. They explore both the human story of Keel—the journalist, traveler, and relentless investigator—and the radical frameworks he left behind for making sense of high strangeness. Along the way, Kelly and Jay connect Keel’s legacy to today’s debates, government narratives, and their own upcoming fieldwork. Highlights include: Keel’s unique approach: using news clipping services and personal witness interviews to identify patterns across thousands of reports. His skepticism toward the extraterrestrial hypothesis and why he suspected UFOs were closer to home than another planet. The “paraphysical hypothesis” and Keel’s concept of the super-spectrum, where UFOs and entities may be part of a hidden ecology overlapping our own. Insights into window areas—locations where high strangeness clusters—and how this connects to modern hotspots. The role of storytelling, control mechanisms, and myth-making in shaping how humanity perceives the phenomenon. Why Keel’s outsider perspective continues to challenge both researchers and experiencers today. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Resources & References Operation Trojan Horse, John Keel:https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Trojan-Horse-Classic-Breakthrough/dp/1938398033/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0 Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 05:54 John Keel's Background and Early Career 09:38 Keel's Investigative Approach and Findings 13:40 Skepticism and the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis 20:08 Patterns in UFO Sightings and Flaps 33:38 Regional UFO Flaps and Media Coverage 35:19 Contemporary Ufology and Hotspots 37:23 Patterns in UFO Sightings 40:11 The Paraphysical Hypothesis 43:37 Control Mechanisms and Technological Inspiration 59:07 Color Spectrum and UFO Phenomena 01:09:54 Field Work Inspired by John Keel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• A New Force: Dana Kippel on Plasma, Consciousness, and the Divine Feminine

  In this episode, Kelly Chase sits down with Dana Kippel—author of A New Force: Plasma, Consciousness, and the New Human Potential—to dive into her vision of plasma as a multidimensional, living intelligence that carries both consciousness and information. Dana opens up about her path as an experiencer, the role of downloads and intuition in her work, and why embracing the feminine side of plasma is key to unlocking human potential. We talk about what it means to navigate reality through both science and spirit, how vulnerability can become a superpower, and why so many people are resonating with her message online. This conversation is raw, inspiring, and full of insights that reframe what it means to live in a participatory cosmos. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Resources & References Dana Kippel, A New Force: Plasma, Consciousness, and the New Human Potential https://a.co/d/2Vq0kLx Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 05:27 Dana's Early Experiences with the Anomalous 08:31 The Impact of Trauma on Anomalous Experiences 12:39 Navigating Social Media and Personal Growth 19:08 Dana's Journey into Plasma Research 24:18 The Role of Women in Plasma Studies 32:47 The Hero's Journey and Authenticity 35:20 Sharing Personal Struggles and Authenticity 36:05 The Illusion of Enlightenment 38:10 Understanding Plasma: Science and Beyond 39:04 Plasma as a Multidimensional Substance 56:26 Exploring the Divine Feminine and Plasma 01:04:10 Future Projects and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• The Call Is Coming From Inside The House: James Madden on Belief, Doubt, and UFOs

  In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King are joined by philosopher James Madden, author of Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World. Jim has been part of this journey with us from the very beginning, appearing on The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast and in our docuseries Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality. Together, we take a hard look at the state of ufology and how belief, ideology, and language shape the way we think about the phenomenon. We ask tough questions: Has ufology become a kind of religion? What does it mean to practice good “epistemic hygiene” in a field so vulnerable to disinformation and self-deception? How can we avoid falling into old patterns of certainty while still honoring the mystery? This is a conversation about curiosity, responsibility, and the courage to sit with the unknown. Whether you’re new to the field or a long-time experiencer, Jim’s insights cut through the noise and remind us that sometimes the most important thing isn’t finding the answer—but learning to ask better questions. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Resources & References James D. Madden, Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World: https://a.co/d/4F2Tpcl Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:57 The Evolution of Ufology: A Personal Perspective 07:37 Ufology as a Religion: Belief and Skepticism 14:15 The Hero's Journey in Ufology 29:59 Challenges in Ufology: Secrecy and Belonging 34:43 Navigating Blind Spots in Public Discourse 36:32 The Illusion of Ease in Public Engagement 37:42 The Trap of Daily Grind and Outrage Cycles 40:02 Questioning the UFO Narrative 44:13 Skepticism and Authority in the UFO Community 46:33 The Role of Media and Public Perception 54:02 Positive Aspects of Ufology 56:15 The Power of Unanswerable Questions 59:05 Maintaining Intellectual Sovereignty 01:04:31 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Reading Reality: Myth, Time, and the Simulation Hypothesis with LD Deutsch

  In this episode, Jay sits down with author of Time, Myth and Matter, LD Deutsch, for a wide-ranging conversation about time, myth, consciousness, and the instability of reality itself. LD Deutsch shares her journey from precognitive dreams to the cutting edge of consciousness studies, weaving together threads of Jungian psychology, mythology, physics, and technology. Together, they explore: How myth and physics act as complementary ways of “reading” reality. The strange synchronicity between the I Ching and the birth of binary code. Why the Simulation Hypothesis functions more like a creation myth than a scientific theory. The paradox of time—eternalism versus presentism—and what it means for precognition. The role of synchronicity, archetypes, and trickster phenomena at the boundaries of the unknown. LD Deutsch’s insights point to a deeper, underlying order where psyche and matter are inseparably linked—and where the stories we tell become the architectures of reality itself. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Resources & References LD Deutsch, Time, Myth and Matter: https://www.sacredbonesrecords.com/products/sbb022-ld-deutsch-time-myth-and-matter?srsltid=AfmBOoow94a8kN69LM0qXghhuVun28QTBmv0mlBE6r6FjxzZKHEeOiKF Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:23 L.D.'s Journey and Inspirations 13:38 Exploring the I Ching and Binary Code 23:55 Techno-Mythology and the Simulation Hypothesis 44:35 The Paradox of Simulated Realities 45:41 Big Bang and Creation Myths 46:50 Eternalism vs. Presentism 47:40 Three Types of Time 50:35 The Block Universe Model 54:00 Reconciling Physics and Neuroscience 58:32 Precognition and Consciousness 01:03:39 Synchronicities and Consciousness 01:10:05 Archetypes and the Unknown 01:16:00 New Myths for a New Era 01:25:19 Future Research Directions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Plasma, Consciousness & the Future of Anomalous Studies

  What if 99% of the universe holds the key to understanding UFOs, paranormal phenomena, and even consciousness itself? In this episode, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King dive deep into the plasma hypothesis—a paradigm-shifting idea that plasma, the fourth state of matter, may act as a substrate for intelligence. Fresh from the University of Exeter workshop on plasma cosmology (with thinkers like Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, and Nick Cook), Kelly unpacks the conversations that are reshaping the frontier of science and anomalous studies. Together, Kelly and Jay explore: What plasma actually is and why it makes up nearly all of the visible universe. Robert Temple’s groundbreaking book A New Science of Heaven and its implications for UFOs and consciousness studies. Why orb encounters and plasma-like phenomena may be central to the experiencer narrative. The limits of materialist explanations—and why plasma may not explain everything. How process philosophy and transpersonal psychology open new frameworks for exploring intelligent plasma. The overlap between orbs, UFOs, cryptids, and the land of the dead. The risks of overreach and the need to resist turning plasma into the next “quantum” catch-all. From the cutting edge of astrophysics to the lived realities of experiencers, this conversation wrestles with the biggest question of all: could plasma be the hidden medium of mind, matter, and mystery? ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.MediaMusic for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Resources & References Robert Temple, A New Science of Heaven: https://a.co/d/9cIc6Ec Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 01:51 Diving into Plasma Cosmology 03:45 Understanding Plasma: The Fourth State of Matter 06:55 The Potential of Plasma as a Substrate for Intelligence 09:53 Speculations on Plasma and Anomalous Phenomena 14:14 Challenges in Defining Plasma Intelligence 20:26 Exploring Plasma's Physical and Non-Physical Interactions 27:49 Philosophical Perspectives on Plasma Intelligence 31:53 Exploring Paranormal Phenomena 32:40 Interdimensional Theories and Consciousness 34:44 Plasma and Human Connection 35:24 Historical UFO Cases 38:35 Life, Death, and Plasma Phenomena 48:23 Orbs and UFOs: A Deeper Look 56:40 Future Research and Exploration 58:55 Closing Remarks and Community Engagement Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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