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  • #93 - Janet Price: The Far UVC Revolution
    Welcome to Air Quality Matters as we illuminate a revolutionary that's been quietly transforming how we think about infection control in our built environment. In this episode, we dive into the world of far UVC light with Janet Price, Chief Science Officer at Visium, who brings an exceptional blend of molecular biology expertise and real-world application experience to this fascinating conversation. The Invisible Warrior Against Invisible Threats Far UVC represents a specific wavelength of light (222 nanometers) that exists beyond our visible spectrum – a form of energy that naturally occurs in space but never reaches Earth's surface due to atmospheric absorption. What makes this technology so compelling is its dual-action mechanism: it simultaneously damages both DNA/RNA and proteins in pathogens, essentially fighting a war on multiple fronts against viruses, bacteria, and even mold spores. Yet remarkably, this same light that devastates single-cell organisms can't penetrate the dead skin layer protecting our living tissue – making it safe for continuous human exposure. Janet walks us through the science with remarkable clarity, explaining how these krypton gas-filled lamps produce their precise wavelength and why that specificity matters. Unlike the broad-spectrum mercury bulbs used by Wells nearly a century ago, today's far UVC technology delivers targeted germicidal action without the risks associated with traditional UVC exposure. The conversation reveals how a minute of exposure can inactivate 50% of flu viruses in a space, potentially reducing transmission risk by up to 91% in typical office settings. The Path Forward Perhaps most thought-provoking is Janet's perspective on what's needed for widespread adoption. Like Wells before her, she recognises that the technology works – the science is clear, the standards are emerging (UL 8082 certification now exists specifically for far UVC devices), but the epidemiological evidence at the population scale remains elusive. We need, as she puts it, someone willing to create "the cleanest town in the world" to demonstrate what's possible when we treat our air as seriously as we treat our water. The conversation also confronts uncomfortable truths about our post-pandemic fatigue and the funding cliff that's left many promising technologies stranded. Yet Janet's optimism is infectious – she sees a future where cleaning our air requires nothing more from people than showing up and breathing, where invisible light fights invisible threats without anyone having to change their behavior. This episode offers both a masterclass in emerging technology and a rallying cry for those who believe indoor air quality deserves the same attention we've given to clean water and food safety. It's essential listening for facility managers, healthcare administrators, engineers, and anyone curious about how we might finally win the war against airborne pathogens – not through behavior change or constant vigilance, but through the simple application of the right wavelength of light. Janet Price - LinkedIn Visium The Air Quality Matters Podcast in Partnership with Zehnder Group -  Farmwood - Eurovent- Aico - Aereco - Ultra Protect -  The One Take Podcast in Partnership with SafeTraces and Inbiot Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website. If you haven't checked out the YouTube channel its here. Do subscribe if you can, lots more content is coming soon.
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  • One Take #21: Jordan Peterson, Mold Diagnosis & The CIRS Controversy Explained
    Welcome back to Air Quality Matters and One Take as we look into one of the more contentious debates in environmental health – a controversy that's suddenly captured mainstream attention following Jordan Peterson's recent diagnosis with Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) linked to mold exposure. When a prominent public intellectual gets this diagnosis, it forces us all to confront an uncomfortable question: what do we really know about the health effects of water-damaged buildings? This episode unpacks the deep divide between two competing narratives about mold and chronic illness. On one side, Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker and his followers describe CIRS as a biotoxin-triggered condition affecting genetically susceptible individuals – about 25% of the population who lack the ability to clear these toxins from their bodies. Their detailed protocol, complete with specific biomarkers like transforming growth factor beta-1 and visual contrast sensitivity tests, has reportedly helped thousands recover from debilitating symptoms: extreme fatigue, brain fog, chronic pain, and respiratory issues that conventional medicine couldn't explain. On the other side stands the medical establishment – the CDC, WHO, and major medical colleges – who don't recognize CIRS as a valid diagnosis. Their argument rests on fundamental toxicology: the dose makes the poison. While nobody disputes that mold causes allergies, asthma, and respiratory infections, mainstream scientists argue that the mycotoxin concentrations in typical water-damaged buildings are orders of magnitude below levels that could cause systemic toxic effects. They point to a critical weakness in the CIRS evidence base: virtually all supporting research comes from Shoemaker's own clinical group, with no large-scale independent validation. The Australian Government's Response: A Pragmatic Policy? Perhaps the most illuminating perspective comes from Australia's formal 2018 inquiry into biotoxin-related illnesses. They listened to everyone – desperate patients, CIRS practitioners, and peak medical bodies. Their conclusion was nuanced: while they sided with mainstream medicine in not recognizing CIRS as a valid diagnosis, they didn't dismiss the patients. Instead, they created a national clinical pathway that takes exposure histories seriously while grounding treatment in evidence-based medicine – a framework for providing compassionate care without endorsing a scientifically contested diagnosis. The episode explores how this creates a self-perpetuating cycle: without mainstream acceptance, it's nearly impossible to secure funding for large studies, but without those studies, mainstream acceptance remains elusive. High-profile cases like Peterson's might finally break this deadlock, forcing the urgent, focused research effort needed to provide clear, independently verified answers. The Universal Agreement Despite the fierce debate over mechanisms and diagnoses, one thing unites all parties: mold is harmful, and remediation of water-damaged buildings must always be the first course of action. Whether you believe in CIRS or stick to conventional medicine, everyone agrees that fixing the environment comes first. This One Take tries to offer a balanced exploration of a polarising topic, acknowledging both the genuine suffering of patients seeking answers and the scientific rigour required to establish new medical paradigms. It's essential listening for anyone trying to navigate the complex intersection of environmental health, medical controversy, and the very human need for answers when conventional medicine falls short. As the Latin phrase reminds us: sola dosis facit venenum – the dose makes the poison. The Air Quality Matters Podcast in Partnership with Zehnder Group -  Farmwood - Eurovent- Aico - Aereco - Ultra Protect -  The One Take Podcast in Partnership with SafeTraces and Inbiot Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website. If you haven't checked out the YouTube channel its here. Do subscribe if you can, lots more content is coming soon.
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  • #92 - Tanya Kaur Bedi: Healthy Buildings India 2025 Part 3: The Inhalable Diet
    Welcome back to Air Quality Matters as we conclude our special series from Healthy Buildings 2025 in Hyderabad with a fascinating conversation that reframes how we think about the air we breathe. What if we started thinking about air quality as our 'inhalable diet'? This compelling question drives our discussion with Tanya Kaur Bedi, assistant professor at the School of Planning and Architecture in Bhopal, who brings a uniquely personal and practical perspective to indoor environmental quality. The conversation begins with a powerful comparison: while we meticulously track our 1,500-2,000 daily calories, we completely ignore the 10,000-15,000 litres of air we breathe every day. As Tanya points out, we're having an inhalable diet right now as we speak, as we sleep, as we work – yet it remains the least discussed aspect of our health. Her own journey into this field began with a personal mystery: persistent acne that disappeared only when her roommate changed her perfume, revealing how our daily 'breakfast' of air can profoundly impact our health without us even knowing. From an architectural perspective, Tanya reveals how air quality is beginning to reshape India's real estate landscape. Friends with infants developing pulmonary issues are being told by doctors to leave Delhi – not as a suggestion, but as the primary medical intervention. This migration pattern, though still emerging, signals a fundamental shift in how Indians value clean air versus economic opportunity. The Middle-Income Reality Perhaps most revealing is Tanya's research into middle-income Indian homes. These families rely almost entirely on natural ventilation, adjusting their lives to the environment rather than controlling it through mechanical systems. In summer, entire families might sleep in the one air-conditioned room they can afford. This means for most Indians, the quality of outdoor air directly determines their indoor exposure – a sobering reality when Delhi regularly tops global pollution charts. The discussion takes a fascinating turn into the composition of household dust. While outdoor dust contains traffic emissions and construction particles, indoor dust tells a different story – it's full of microplastics from degrading bottles and bags, pet dander, and chemical emissions from furniture. As Tanya notes, you can know about a person's life from their dust, making it a kind of environmental diary we never read. Design Solutions and Cultural Practices As both architect and interior designer, Tanya advocates for conscious limitation – the idea that more isn't always better when it comes to materials and finishes. She reveals practical design strategies: rounded furniture corners that prevent dust accumulation, avoiding recessed lighting that becomes a heating element for trapped particles, and the radical simplicity of using local, known materials like mud and bamboo over complex chemical products. The conversation also celebrates existing Indian practices that support air quality – the daily dusting, mopping and sweeping rituals that might seem obsessive but actually serve a vital health function. Yet it also confronts uncomfortable truths: the lower your income, the fewer choices you have about materials and location, creating an inequitable distribution of air quality risks. The Path Forward Tanya's current research into the seasonal aspects of our inhalable diet – how festivals, weather patterns, and cultural practices create different exposure profiles throughout the year – offers a uniquely Indian perspective on air quality science. Her focus on residential spaces addresses a critical research gap, as homes remain the least studied yet most important environments for long-term health. The conversation concludes with a call for awareness and agency. While we might not control our environment completely, we can trust our senses more, ask questions about the products we bring into our homes, and make small behavioural changes that accumulate into healthier spaces. As India's 1.4 billion people become more aware of their inhalable diet, the potential for market transformation is enormous. This episode offers a fresh lens for understanding air quality – not as an abstract environmental issue, but as a daily consumption choice as fundamental as the food we eat. It's a perspective that makes the invisible visible and the complex actionable, perfect for anyone seeking to understand how architecture, culture, and health intersect in one of the world's most challenging air quality environments. Tanya - LinkedIn The Air Quality Matters Podcast in Partnership with Zehnder Group -  Farmwood - Eurovent- Aico - Aereco - Ultra Protect -  The One Take Podcast in Partnership with SafeTraces and Inbiot Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website. If you haven't checked out the YouTube channel its here. Do subscribe if you can, lots more content is coming soon.
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  • One Take #20: The €6 Billion Question - Why Fixing Mold Doesn't Pay (But We're Missing the Point)
    Welcome back to Air Quality Matters and One Take – the series where complex research gets distilled into digestible insights in just one recording. What if fixing damp and mould in buildings doesn't actually pay for itself? This provocative question drives a groundbreaking study from Finland that dares to put a price tag on one of housing's most persistent problems. The research team tackled a massive question: when you add up all the costs of remediating moisture-damaged buildings against all the benefits – health improvements, energy savings, climate impact – does the investment make financial sense? They focused on Finland's aging housing stock from the 1960s-80s, where structural moisture damage from permeable exterior walls creates deep-seated mould problems that go far beyond surface condensation. Two remediation strategies went head-to-head in their analysis. The first: rip everything out and rebuild with modern, energy-efficient materials – a 50-year solution costing billions. The second: a clever two-stage approach that first seals buildings from the inside to stop mould exposure, then delays the expensive rebuild by a decade. The researchers monetized everything they could – prevented asthma cases using disability-adjusted life years, reduced heating bills, even the social cost of carbon. The shocking result? Both approaches showed massive financial losses. The immediate rebuild lost €5.9 billion over 50 years, while the delayed approach fared even worse at €6.4 billion. The upfront remediation costs simply dwarf the €1.2 billion in health benefits and modest energy savings. But here's the crucial twist – the study couldn't include property value increases. A properly remediated, healthy home is worth significantly more than a damp, mouldy one. This missing piece could completely flip the calculation from loss to gain. The paper's real contribution isn't the negative number; it's providing the first comprehensive framework for evaluating these investments. This Finnish study forces us to confront an uncomfortable truth: the traditional cost-benefit analysis might tell us fixing buildings doesn't pay, but it also reveals we're not counting everything that matters. It pushes policymakers to ask better questions about the total value of maintaining safe, healthy housing – including the preservation of massive national assets tied up in our building stock. Sometimes the most valuable research doesn't provide answers but gives us better ways to frame the questions. And in the battle against damp and mould, that might be exactly what we need.
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  • #91 - Healthy Buildings India 2025 Part 2: With Researchers and Industry
    Welcome back to Air Quality Matters as we continue our special series from Healthy Buildings 2025 in Hyderabad, India. In this second instalment, we dive deep into the perspectives of both emerging researchers and industry leaders who are shaping the future of indoor environmental quality in one of the world's most dynamic regions. The Next Generation of Research First, we hear from three exceptional young scientists tackling frontier challenges in air quality. Sachin Dhawan from IIT Delhi reveals groundbreaking work developing automated pollen samplers – technology that could finally help India understand why seasonal asthma peaks coincide with pollen seasons, despite having virtually no monitoring data. As he points out, while pollen allergies affect 50% of Europeans, India can't even quantify its problem without proper measurement tools. Sandeep Budde shares a deeply personal journey from watching his coal miner father cough through nights to investigating how pharmaceutical industries release toxic gases into neighbourhoods during 2-4 AM when atmospheric conditions mask their activities. His work creating digital twins of neighbourhoods reveals a shocking truth: wealthier residents in larger, partitioned homes face higher pollutant exposure than those in simpler dwellings due to negative pressure zones that concentrate contaminants. Aprisia Murran from Indonesia brings an architect's perspective on post-occupancy evaluation, driven by her own asthma that mysteriously disappeared during two years studying in the Netherlands. Her work with vulnerable communities reveals how creativity and collective action can overcome financial constraints in addressing overheating and ventilation challenges. Industry at the Frontlines The industry panel features three leaders tackling different aspects of India's air quality challenge. Karthikeyan Elumalai from Testo India emphasises the critical gap in validation – buildings are commissioned but rarely verified to perform as designed. Kapil Kapoor from Vayugard Climate Tech highlights the shift from reactive HEPA filtration to predictive, IoT-enabled solutions that address the reality that we breathe 11,000 liters of air daily. Rahul Kappor from Camfil India champions the concept of total cost of ownership, noting that while filters represent only 15% of lifecycle costs, energy consumption accounts for 80%. The Road Ahead All participants converge on key themes: the desperate need for continuous monitoring rather than intermittent testing, the importance of maintenance as a professional discipline, and the power of regulation to drive change. As India's disposable income rises and awareness grows, the next five years promise a transformation from cost-sensitive to solution-sensitive markets. The conversation reveals both universal challenges – the disconnect between design and operation, the invisibility of air quality problems – and uniquely regional ones, from Delhi's seasonal pollution crises to the challenge of serving 1.4 billion people across diverse climates and cultures. Yet what emerges most powerfully is the passion and innovation driving change, whether through cutting-edge pollen detection, community-based retrofits, or reimagining filtration as a health investment rather than a maintenance cost. This episode offers a rare window into how the world's most populous nation is tackling its air quality crisis through a powerful combination of grassroots innovation, scientific advancement, and industry evolution. The Air Quality Matters Podcast in Partnership with Zehnder Group -  Farmwood - Eurovent- Aico - Aereco - Ultra Protect -  The One Take Podcast in Partnership with SafeTraces and Inbiot Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website. If you haven't checked out the YouTube channel its here. Do subscribe if you can, lots more content is coming soon.
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Air Quality Matters inside our buildings and out.This Podcast is about Indoor Air Quality, Outdoor Air Quality, Ventilation, and Health in our homes, workplaces, and education settings.And we already have many of the tools we need to make a difference.The conversations we have and how we share this knowledge is the key to our success.We speak with the leaders at the heart of this sector about them and their work, innovation and where this is all going.Air quality is the single most significant environmental risk we face to our health and wellbeing, and its impacts on us, our friends, our families, and society are profound.From housing to the workplace, education to healthcare, the quality of the air we breathe matters. Air Quality Matters
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