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    Making the Invisible Visible: How Real-Time Air Monitors Cut Indoor Pollution by 34% - OT33

    28/1/2026 | 12 mins.
    Welcome back to Air Quality Matters and One Take, where we unpack the latest research shaping our understanding of indoor air and the built environment.

    This week, we're diving into a paper that asks a deceptively simple question: If people could actually see the air they breathe, would they change their behavior? And perhaps more importantly for policymakers—is it worth the money to help them do it?

    The paper is titled Making the Invisible Visible: The Impact of Revealing Indoor Air Pollution on Behavior and Welfare, a working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research by Robert Metcalf and Seffy Roth. And the results are, quite frankly, staggering.

    The Central Question

    We spend about 90% of our time indoors, and we know that indoor air can be significantly worse than outdoor air. But for most people, it's completely invisible—an unobserved good. You don't know if the air is toxic or pristine unless you have a monitor. And because you don't know, you can't manage it.

    So what happens when you make the invisible visible?

    The Big Takeaway

    This paper moves the conversation from health to economics—and it's sadly the language that often gets policy moving. It suggests that in this specific case, the deficit model—the idea that people just lack information—is actually true. When you give people the information, they do act. They do change their behavior. And that change is big.

    This paper tells us we need to stop treating indoor air quality as a private luxury and start treating it as a public health imperative with a massive economic upside. Whether it's monitors or air purifiers (which they also found had an infinite return on investment, by the way), the technology exists. We just need to make the invisible visible.

    This is Part Two of a five-part series exploring the psychology and perception of risk around air quality and ventilation.

    Making the Invisible Visible: The Impact of Revealing Indoor Air Pollution on Behavior and Welfare

    https://www.nber.org/papers/w33510

    The One Take Podcast in Partnership with

    SafeTraces (https://www.safetraces.com/) and Inbiot (https://www.inbiot.es/?utm_campaign=simon&utm_source=airqualitymatters&utm_medium=podcast)

    Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website (https://www.airqualitymatters.net/podcast)

    Chapters

    00:00:00 Introduction: Making the Invisible Visible
    00:01:14 The Invisible Problem: Why Indoor Air Quality Matters
    00:01:44 The Study Design: A Clever Field Experiment in Camden
    00:02:47 The Baseline Reality: What the Data Revealed Before Intervention
    00:04:15 The Dramatic Results: 34% Reduction in Pollution Exposure
    00:05:09 How They Did It: Ventilation Without Lifestyle Sacrifice
    00:06:15 The Economic Case: Infinite Return on Investment
    00:08:31 The Energy Efficiency Tension: A Critical Warning
    00:09:28 Study Limitations: What to Keep in Mind
    00:10:32 The Big Takeaway: Information Drives Action and Economic Value
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    Disclosure to Performance: Indoor Air Quality in Real Estate with Parag Cameron-Rastogi - #104

    26/1/2026 | 1h 57 mins.
    In this essential episode, we sit down with Parag Cameron Rastogi, Director of Real Asset Analytics at GRESB, to explore one of the most powerful yet often misunderstood forces shaping the future of indoor air quality: how we measure, benchmark, and value the performance of buildings at scale.

    GRESB—the Global Real Estate Sustainability Benchmark—has trillions of dollars of assets in its system. It is the machinery behind how pension funds, investors, and asset managers assess risk, performance, and long-term value across portfolios spanning every continent, building type, and climate zone. And it is evolving—fast—from a disclosure-based model to a performance-based one.

    The Central Question

    We already have the tools and knowledge to deliver clean, healthy indoor air. So why is there still such a persistent gap between what we know works in theory and what actually happens in buildings? And how can we operationalize air quality data in a way that makes it financially material, benchmarkable, and valuable—not just for compliance, but for real-world decision-making?

    Key Topics Discussed:

    What GRESB Is and Why It Matters: How a standardized survey sent to building owners and managers became the global standard for assessing sustainability risk in real estate—and why pension funds with 50-year time horizons care deeply about the long-term performance of the assets they invest in.

    From Disclosure to Performance: The seismic shift happening in 2028, when GRESB moves from rewarding having data to rewarding what that data shows. Why this is a big deal for the industry—and what it means for air quality.

    The Binary Nature of Data: Why building portfolios either have full data coverage or almost none—and nothing in between. The fascinating bimodal distribution of data availability, and what it tells us about control, building type, and lease structures.

    Relative Benchmarking vs. Absolute Thresholds: Why finance speaks the language of risk, not absolutes. How GRESB uses relative benchmarking to compare buildings in context—and why this approach might be the missing piece in how we communicate air quality risk.

    This is a conversation about risk, value, and the machinery of change. It's about recognizing that if we want air quality to matter in the real world, we need to speak the language of the people who control the capital. We need to make it benchmarkable, measurable, and material. And we need to move from fluffy aspirations to hard performance.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/rastogiparag/

    https://www.gresb.com/

    HOST:

    Simon Jones: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-air-quality-matters/

    GUEST:

    Parag Cameron Rastogi - Director of Real Asset Analytics, GRESB

    The Air Quality Matters Podcast in Partnership with

    Farmwood - Eurovent - Aico

    The One Take Podcast in Partnership with

    SafeTraces and Inbiot

    Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website.

    If you haven't checked out the YouTube channel its here. Do subscribe if you can, lots more content is coming soon.

    Chapters

    00:00:00 Introduction: GRESB and the Global Real Estate Sustainability Benchmark
    00:02:00 What is GRESB? Origins and the Investor's Need for Risk Transparency
    00:05:30 From Portfolio to Asset Level: The Evolution of GRESB Assessment
    00:10:50 The Foundation and the Industry: How GRESB Standards are Governed
    00:15:45 Data Coverage: The Binary Reality of Building Performance Data
    00:24:00 The Disclosure to Performance Paradigm Shift
    00:34:00 Control Structures and the Triple Net Problem
    00:44:00 Relative Benchmarking: Why Context Matters in Risk Assessment
    00:54:00 The Long Tail of Real Estate: Addressing the Forgotten Buildings
    01:03:45 Operationalizing Data: From Collection to Business Value
    01:12:00 The Automotive Analogy: Building Feedback Loops for Improvement
    01:22:00 Stars, Quintiles, and Narrative-Based Rankings
    01:32:00 Sustainability-Linked Loans and the Financial Incentive
    01:42:00 Indoor Air Quality's Journey: From Disclosure to Performance Pillar
    01:52:00 Beyond Productivity: Health, Harm, and the DALY Framework
    01:58:00 The Predictive Future: From Rearview Mirror to Digital Twin
    02:03:00 Parag's Journey: From Building Physics to Real Estate Finance
    02:07:00 Closing Thoughts: The Power of Scale and Systemic Change
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    The Psychology of Air Quality - Why Technical Solutions Aren't Enough OT32

    22/1/2026 | 10 mins.
    Welcome back to Air Quality Matters and One Take, where we unpack the latest research shaping our understanding of indoor air and the built environment.

    This week, we step away from the physics and chemistry of air quality and dive firmly into the psychology of how we perceive—and crucially, misperceive—the air around us.

    The paper is titled Why Do We Misperceive Air Pollution? A Scoping Review of Key Judgmental Biases, published in Air Quality, Atmosphere & Health, and it systematically dismantles a dangerous assumption many of us hold: that if we just give people the data—the graph, the PM2.5 reading, the red light on a sensor—they'll change their behaviour.

    The Central Question

    Why do we struggle so much to communicate the risk of poor air quality, particularly in our homes? And why do technical solutions—ventilation systems, sensors, standards—so often fail to deliver the health outcomes we expect?

    The answer, this paper argues, is that our brains are essentially wired to misinterpret or even ignore the quality of the air we breathe, regardless of the facts. Information does not equal action. Perception is not reality—but for the person living in that home, perception is their reality.

    The Six Psychological Biases That Blind Us to Air Pollution

    The Big Takeaway:

    Our current approach to communication—largely based on "deficit models" (the idea that people just lack information)—is fundamentally flawed. We can't just put a sensor in a room, point to the red light, and expect people to behave differently. These biases are working in the background to minimize that signal.

    If someone has a home halo effect, they'll look at the red light and think the sensor is broken, rather than their air is toxic.

    To be effective—whether as engineers, consultants, housing officers, or policymakers—we need to stop treating occupants like passive recipients of data. We need to understand the social and psychological context they live in. We need to acknowledge emotional connections, offer alternatives that provide the same sense of comfort without the emissions, and recognize that unless we bridge the gap between technical reality and lived perception, all the ventilation systems in the world won't deliver the health outcomes we want.

    The technical solution is only half the battle. The messy, biased, emotional human element is where the real challenge lies.

    This is Part One of a five-part series exploring the psychology and perception of risk around air quality and ventilation.

    Why do we misperceive air pollution? A scoping review of key judgmental biases

    https://doi.org/10.1007/s11869-024-01650-y

    The One Take Podcast in Partnership with

    SafeTraces and Inbiot

    Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website

    Chapters

    00:00:00 Introduction: The Psychology of Air Perception
    00:01:19 The Assumption We All Make: Data Equals Action
    00:02:33 Sensory Capacity: When Our Senses Fail Us
    00:03:10 Habituation: The Nose Blindness Phenomenon
    00:03:54 The Home Halo Effect: My Sanctuary Can't Be Toxic
    00:05:07 Confirmation Bias: Pollution Happens to Someone Else
    00:05:44 The Exclusion Effect: Bigger Problems Crowd Out Air Quality
    00:06:29 The Affect Heuristic: Emotion Over Evidence
    00:07:33 The So What: Rethinking Communication and Engagement
    00:09:29 The Big Takeaway: Perception is Their Reality
    00:10:15 Closing: Part One of Five on Psychology and Risk Perception
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    Fast Cheap and Good - Pick Any Two: Housing with John O'Connor and Neil Fresh Water #103

    19/1/2026 | 1h 11 mins.
    We sit down with John O'Connor, former chair of Ireland's Housing Commission, and Neil Freshwater, Public Affairs Manager for GB and Ireland at Velux, to explore one of the most complex challenges facing Ireland and Europe today: how do we deliver affordable housing at pace while ensuring homes are healthy, sustainable, and fit for purpose?

    Recorded at a Healthy Homes Ireland event in Dublin just before Christmas, this conversation tackles the fundamental tensions in housing policy—between volume and quality, affordability and performance, political cycles and long-term planning. With Ireland's new housing plan published, the European Commission preparing its first-ever affordable housing plan, and the revised Energy Performance of Buildings Directive due to be transposed into Irish law by May 2026, the stakes have never been higher.

    The Central Question

    We've understood for over a century that housing and health are inseparable. Yet somehow, in our rush to solve the housing crisis, we've fragmented that relationship. How do we get back to first principles? How do we ensure that every home—not just the expensive ones—delivers good air quality, daylight, thermal comfort, and the conditions for families to thrive?

    Key Topics Discussed:

    The Housing Commission's Vision: Why Ireland's housing crisis isn't just about numbers—it's about creating a cohesive society where having a home is a fundamental right, not a luxury. The Commission's recommendations as a long-term, interconnected menu—not a pick-and-mix.

    The Forgotten Link Between Health and Housing: How ventilation and daylighting were central to 19th and early 20th-century housing standards—and why we've lost that focus in modern construction. The sobering reality that people John knows are now suffering terminal illnesses due to poor indoor air quality.

    Fast, Cheap, and Good—Pick Any Two: The political and economic pressures driving volume over quality. Why "any shelter is better than no shelter" is a dangerous narrative—and how 5,000 children experiencing homelessness in Ireland today (compared to fewer than 100 a decade ago) lays bare the human cost of failure.

    The One-Dimensional Trap: How the Energy Performance of Buildings Directive initially focused only on energy efficiency—and why the inclusion of Indoor Environmental Quality (IEQ) in the revised directive is a game-changer, if we can translate it into policy and practice.

    Because at the end of the day, it's not about units. It's about homes. And homes are for people.

    HOST:

    Simon Jones: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-air-quality-matters/

    GUESTS:

    John O'Connor - Former Chair, Housing Commission, Ireland

    Neil Freshwater - Public Affairs Manager, Velux GB & Ireland

    The Air Quality Matters Podcast in Partnership with

    Farmwood - Eurovent - Aico

    The One Take Podcast in Partnership with

    SafeTraces and Inbiot

    Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website.

    If you haven't checked out the YouTube channel its here. Do subscribe if you can, lots more content is coming soon.

    Chapters

    00:00:00 Introduction: Housing, Health, and the Irish Context
    00:02:56 Meet the Guests: John O'Connor and the Housing Commission
    00:04:39 The Housing Crisis: Numbers, Demographics, and the Meaning of Home
    00:09:25 Neil Freshwater: Velux's Origins in Healthy Buildings
    00:16:25 The Trifecta Challenge: Fast, Cheap, and Good
    00:17:52 The Forgotten Science: Air Quality and Ventilation in Housing
    00:21:04 Daylight Inequality and the Quality Divide
    00:45:56 The Monitoring Revolution: From Code Compliance to Performance
    00:53:03 The Skills and Labour Crisis: Building at Lightning Pace
    01:02:41 Modern Methods of Construction: Promise and Reality
    01:05:01 Looking Forward: Ireland's EU Presidency and the Path Ahead
    01:11:14 Closing: The Charter for Healthy Homes
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    OT31: Fighting Fire With Fire - The Hidden Health Cost of Preventing Wildfires

    18/12/2025 | 7 mins.
    Welcome back to Air Quality Matters and One Take, where we unpack the latest research shaping our understanding of indoor air and the built environment.

    This week, we're diving into one of the most complex and urgent environmental dilemmas of our time: the smoke from fires we set on purpose.

    The paper, Associations between PM2.5 from Prescribed Burning and Emergency Department Visits in 11 Southeastern US States by a team of researchers from Boston University, Georgia Tech, and other institutions, tackles a critical question: In our effort to prevent catastrophic wildfires through prescribed burning, are we creating a different, more chronic health problem from the smoke of these "good fires"?

    The Environmental Dilemma:

    Prescribed burning—intentionally setting smaller, controlled fires to clear underbrush—is one of our primary tools to fight the catastrophic wildfires made worse by climate change. But this tool has side effects: smoke containing fine particulate matter (PM2.5). The question is whether we're trading one health disaster for another.

    The Study:

    Researchers analyzed over 30 million emergency department visits from 11 southeastern US states over nearly a decade—a region where prescribed burning is common practice. Using sophisticated chemical transport models, they "tagged" PM2.5 in the air to identify which portions came specifically from prescribed fires, allowing them to isolate the health signal of just these controlled burns.

    The Surprising Findings:

    Yes, there is a link. On days with high levels of PM2.5 from prescribed fires, there was a statistically significant increase in emergency department visits for upper respiratory infections and, most notably, ischemic heart disease, which went up by about 6%.

    But here's the counter-intuitive part: For the classic signatures of smoke exposure—overall respiratory admissions, asthma, and COPD—they didn't find a statistically significant increase. This is what makes smoke from prescribed fires different from wildfire smoke.

    Why the Difference?

    The nature of the fires themselves. Wildfires are hot, intense, and chaotic, burning everything from the forest floor to the canopy. Prescribed burns are cooler and slower, designed to smolder through underbrush, grass, and leaf litter. This difference in what's burning and how it's burning creates a different chemical cocktail of smoke. Prescribed fire smoke tends to have lower concentrations of pollutants like carbon monoxide and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) compared to wildfire smoke.

    The Big Takeaway:

    Not all smoke is created equal. The health impact of PM2.5 is not just about the mass of particles in the air—it's about what those particles are made of, and it depends profoundly on the source.

    This research doesn't give us an easy answer. It doesn't say prescribed burning is safe or unsafe. Instead, it gives us a much more nuanced picture. It's a powerful reminder that there are no easy wins in environmental management—it's all a game of trade-offs. We're using a tool to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfires, but that tool has its own health risks, and those risks are different.

    This kind of research is absolutely vital for land managers and public health officials because it helps them understand the specific health impacts of their decisions, allowing for more targeted warnings and a better, more honest conversation about the risks we're actually choosing to manage.

    Associations between PM2.5 from prescribed burning and emergency department visits in 11 Southeastern US states

    https://doi.org/10.1016/j.envint.2025.109770

    The One Take Podcast in Partnership with

    SafeTraces and Inbiot

    Do check them out in the links and on the Air Quality Matters Website

    Chapters

    00:00:00 Introduction: The Prescribed Burning Paradox
    00:01:48 The Study Design: Tagging Smoke from Good Fires
    00:02:54 The Findings: A Surprising Health Signal
    00:04:02 Not All Smoke is Equal: The Chemistry Matters
    00:05:32 The Big Takeaway: Environmental Trade-Offs and Honest Conversations
    00:06:40 Closing: Thanks and Next Week

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Air Quality Matters inside our buildings and out.This Podcast is about Indoor Air Quality, Outdoor Air Quality, Ventilation, and Health in our homes, workplaces, and education settings.And we already have many of the tools we need to make a difference.The conversations we have and how we share this knowledge is the key to our success.We speak with the leaders at the heart of this sector about them and their work, innovation and where this is all going.Air quality is the single most significant environmental risk we face to our health and wellbeing, and its impacts on us, our friends, our families, and society are profound.From housing to the workplace, education to healthcare, the quality of the air we breathe matters. Air Quality Matters
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