The Holly Pivec Podcast

Is your spiritual life causing more anxiety than peace?
In this episode, I'm with biblical counselor and author Mark Baker to expose the overlooked link between false teachings—specifically within the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)—and mental health struggles like depression and chronic guilt.
If you’ve ever felt like you "weren't performing enough" for God, or felt trapped by the pressure to hear a "word from God" for every decision, this conversation is for you. We dive deep into why subjective, feelings-based Christianity often leads to a "breaking point" and how you can reclaim a sound mind through the objective truth of Scripture.
In this episode, we discuss:
Biblical Counseling vs. Secular Psychology: Explaining different frameworks
The NAR Mental Health Fallout: Why doctrines like "Heaven on Earth" and "Modern Apostles" often result in hopelessness.
The Rise of "Christian" Mysticism: The subjective mystical practices, like "grave soaking" and "trips to heaven" (via guided visualizations), that are infiltrating the church
Reclaiming a Sound Mind: The vital connection between self-discipline and mental clarity (2 Timothy 1:7).
The "Crack" in the System: How catching one lie or false prophecy can be the first step toward spiritual freedom.
Timestamps:
00:00 – Intro: Reconnecting with Mark Baker.
01:02 – What is biblical counseling and why is it unique?
04:02 – The secularization of pastoral care in modern seminaries.
08:47 – How false teaching creates an "unsound mind."
13:26 – Does NAR attract or create mental health issues?
16:45 – The burden of "performance-based" Christianity.
23:22 – How one "crack" via a false prophecy can lead to freedom.
28:10 – The danger of "subjectivity" and the "Touch not the anointed" trap.
31:25 – Understanding the role of self-discipline in a sound mind.
34:58 – The hard work of "heart work": Avoiding spiritual shortcuts.
Resources Mentioned:
Mark Baker’s Book: Re-Minded: How to Renew Your Mind, Quiet Your Soul, and Transform Your Life - https://www.amazon.com/Re-Minded-Renew-Your-Quiet-Transform/dp/B0DDP78BK6
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Is it a miracle from God, a manifestation of the demonic, or just a clever trick?

In this deep-dive interview, professional magician and mentalist Terry Holley pulls back the curtain on the "signs and wonders" appearing in modern movements like the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). From gold dust and "glory clouds" at Bethel to the secrets of "words of knowledge," Terry explains how mentalism and cold reading can perfectly replicate what many claim to be supernatural.

We also tackle the tough theological questions: Did Pharaoh’s magicians actually perform miracles? Can Satan control the weather? And why do so many Christians give the enemy more credit than the Bible does?

If you’ve ever wondered if what you’re seeing on stage is real or just "extrasensory deception," this episode is for you.

IN THIS EPISODE:
Mentalism vs. Prophecy: How "Question & Answer" routines mimic prophetic words.

The "Glory Cloud" Demystified: Comparing modern church manifestations to Las Vegas illusions.

Theology of the Miraculous: Why creating life (snakes and blood) is a boundary only God crosses.

Occam’s Razor & The Supernatural: Understanding the 4 natural forces before jumping to "miracle" conclusions.

Demons & Objects: The logic (and hilarity) of "demon-possessed" chocolate chip cookies.

CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introduction: Can magic explain so-called "miracles"?
03:15 - The Q&A Routine: How mentalists "read minds."
08:45 - Gold Dust & Snow: David Copperfield’s secrets.
14:20 - Pharaoh’s Magicians: Miracle or sleight of hand?
22:10 - Signs and Wonders: A Greek word study.
30:35 - Can Satan control the weather? (Lessons from Job)
38:50 - The "Supernormal" vs. The "Supernatural."
45:15 - Debunking "demonized" objects and screaming wood.
52:40 - The $25,000 Challenge for a real miracle.
58:20 - Final thoughts: Staying within biblical boundaries.

RESOURCES MENTIONED:
Book: Astrology and Psychic Phenomena by Terry Holley.

James Randi’s Alpha Project: How two magicians fooled the scientific community.

CONTACT TERRY: [email protected] (For church seminars/performances and questions).

Do you think he’s being too cynical, or is this the discernment the church needs today? Let us know in the comments.

TWO CORRECTIONS SUBMITTED BY TERRY HOLLEY:1. David Hoy's "Hurling the Headlines" is not a book, but it is a chapter found in his booklet, "The Bold and Subtle Miracles of Dr. Faust."2. I accidentally stated that I sent predictions to David Hoy. I should have stated that I sent them to Gary North. Hoy passed in 1981. My correspondence with North was in the 1990s.

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Is it a miracle, or just a really good trick? In this revealing interview, 55-year veteran magician Terry Holley pulls back the curtain on the "supernatural" claims of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).

While many believers are amazed by "words of knowledge" and "miraculous" powers, Terry reveals how professional mentalism, data mining, and theatrical illusions can replicate these exact experiences. We explore the historical deception of figures like William Branham and Paul Cain, and the danger of building theology on anecdotal stories that crumble under investigation. If you've ever questioned the "Glory Cloud" or how a prophet knew personal details about your life, this video provides the technical and biblical clarity you need.

Inside this investigation:

Mentalism 101: How performers "read minds" using natural techniques.
The Andre Kole Legacy: Why Jesus’ miracles were impossible to fake.
Nailing Jello to a Wall: The truth about levitation stories and "miracle" reports.
The "Hot Reading" Scandal: Why some modern prophets are just data mining.
Biblical Discernment: How to distinguish between theatrical magic and occult practices.

CHAPTERS
0:00 – Intro: Why interview a Christian magician?
1:25 – Terry Holley 55-year background in magic
4:45 – What is Mentalism? (Mind reading vs. tricks)
7:20 – Andre Kole and the investigation of Jesus’ miracles
17:15 – The difference between theatrical magic and the occult
19:10 – Why magicians use equipment (debunking demonic power)
21:05 – Magician vs. Illusionist: Why some churches prefer "illusionist"
23:30 – "Magic in the Bible": Hebrew and Greek word studies
26:50 – Investigating the Kansas City Prophets and Bob Jones
30:15 – Correspondence with John Piper and Wayne Grudem
38:15 – The "Flying Reindeer" argument: Why we need proof
43:50 – The Levitation Myth: Investigating supernatural claims
50:15 – Observations on Craig Keener’s Miracles book volumes
53:40 – Paul Cain and "Hot Reading" techniques
56:10 – The "Sick Cat" experiment: How easy it is to fool people
1:02:30 – Data mining and modern prophets (Shawn Bolz)

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On March 6, 2026, Francis Chan released a public apology titled "Tremble at His Words, Be Careful with Your Own." In it, he addresses his associations with leaders in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), including Mike Bickle and IHOPKC. But does this apology truly address the root of the problem, or does it sidestep the real issues and dangers?

In this special audio-only episode of the podcast, Holly Pivec and Doug Geivett (joining from the Florida Everglades!) break down Chan’s letter and the accompanying statement from his network elders.

We dive deep into:
The "Integrity" Gap: Was Mike Bickle a man of integrity who "fell," or was the foundation flawed from the start?
"Fooled Hundreds of Times": Analyzing Chan’s admission of a lack of discernment and what that means for his role as a globally influential leader.
The Elder’s Defense: Why claiming "refutation" of NAR accusations is factually incorrect and misleading to the church.
The Prophetic Movement: Why a focus on character scandals ignores the deeper crisis of fallible prophecy and theological error.
A Call to Action: Will Chan ever give us the biblical criteria for evaluating prophets?

Resources Mentioned:
-Francis Chan’s Letter: Tremble at His Words, Be Careful with Your Own (Crazy Love Ministries)
https://www.crazylove.org/articles/tremble-at-his-words-be-careful-with-your-own
-Holly’s Blog: hollypivec.com
-The Implosion of IHOPKC: https://www.hollypivec.com/blog/implosionofihopkc

-Books by Holly Pivec and Doug Geivett: Counterfeit Kingdom, God's Super-Apostles, and more.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=holly+pivec+and+doug+geivett&crid=2B4DQ2AUNRY85&sprefix=holly+pivec+and+doug+geivett%2Caps%2C216&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction & Background on Francis Chan
04:46 – Framing the Apology: "Those who no longer walk in integrity"
15:10 – The avoidance of addressing "false teaching" in the apology
21:47 – The stunning admission of being "fooled hundreds of times"
35:34 – Analyzing the Elders’ Statement
52:40 – Can a "legitimate" prophet be fallible?
1:10:00 – Unity vs. Truth: Final thoughts and closing wisdom

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The ongoing collision with NAR has forced a moment of truth for the Assemblies of God, requiring a clear and final decision on whether it will protect its Pentecostal roots or succumb to apostolic infiltrators.* See a note of correction and clarification from Aaron Mapes below.*In this deep-dive interview, an AG pastor pulls back the curtain on how "Latter Rain" doctrines and modern NAR theology are covertly reshaping Pentecostal churches—and why the stakes for the AG have never been higher.From the controversial "offices" of modern-day apostles and prophets to the devastating impact of "fallible prophecy," Pastor Aaron Mapes and I explore why AG leaders must draw a line in the sand. We discuss the historical link between the 1940s Latter Rain movement and Jim Jones, the theological danger of the "always God’s will to heal" doctrine, and why Pastor Aaron has chosen not to use Bethel Music to protect his congregation.If you’ve ever wondered why your favorite worship song, or a "prophetic word" you've heard, feels like it’s leading to a different gospel, this conversation is for you. Key Topics Discussed:The historical condemnation of "Latter Rain" doctrines by the AG in 1949.Why Jim Jones is a sobering warning for modern charismatic movements.The "fallible prophecy" trap: Can a true prophet be wrong?Why Bethel’s theology is creating a "wrecking yard" of deconstructed faith.The practical reasons why Pastor Aaron has banned Bethel Music in his AG church (and other AG churches should do the same)How to identify "bad fruit" in a movement before it leads to spiritual and sexual abuse.Timestamps:0:00 – Introduction: NAR and the AG04:15 – The 1940s Latter Rain Movement & Jim Jones12:30 – Why the AG Issued New Position Papers on Apostles & Prophets18:45 – The Dangers of "Fallible Prophecy" (Deuteronomy 18)25:10 – Shipwrecked Faith: When "God’s Will to Heal" Fails33:20 – Why We Stopped Singing Bethel Music in Our Church41:15 – The "Cover-Up Culture" and Biblical Discernment50:40 – Truth Over Relationship: How to Talk to People in the AG About NAR58:20 – Final Thoughts: A Bigger Vision for the GospelResources Mentioned:Counterfeit Kingdom by Holly Pivec & Doug Geivett - https://a.co/d/0hncwff4God’s Super-Apostles by Doug Geivett and Holly Pivec- https://a.co/d/0aURrk3lA/G Pastors Concerned about NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1299878327294092/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBTAre you seeing NAR influence in your local Pentecostal or other type of church?#AssembliesOfGod #NAR #BethelChurch #ChristianDiscernment #NewApostolicReformation #TheologyMatters #Pentecostal #biblicaltruth A Correction and Note of Clarification from Aaron Mapes:"Thanks, Holly! It was a pleasure to join you for this podcast! I need to make a public correction. In the interview, I stated Jim Jones was an A/G (Assemblies of God) minister instead of Independent Assemblies of God International minister. Very similar in history, relationship and doctrine, but separate organizations with cooperative ties and relationships as well as a shared name and some shared roots, as was the case with many early pentecostal churches and movements as they were emerging. The IAOGI was born out of the Scandanavian Assemblies of God." See Aaron's full note, with additional information about Jim Jones, on Facebook here: https://www.facebook.com/aaron.mapes.9/posts/pfbid0248NMNZNxixLyzLVNCJfZAMLFFPfuYXsBKcAgiFDyhZ6adHMGP5Cd3VrZYYYNJrRtl