In this episode, Joe sits down with shamanic practitioner Matthew Stevens for a deep, raw, and eye-opening conversation about spirituality, healing, and altered states of consciousness.
Matthew shares his personal journey from corporate life and deep grief into the world of shamanism, including powerful experiences with ayahuasca in Ireland and Peru. The lads dive into everything from DMT, mushrooms, and plant medicine to meditation, soul retrieval, and the idea of multiple spiritual realms.
This episode balances curiosity, skepticism, and real-life experience—covering both the potential benefits and serious risks of these practices. It’s a fascinating listen for anyone interested in mental health, spirituality, or exploring consciousness beyond the everyday.
⏱️ Timecodes
00:00 – Intro & Welcome Back
High-energy intro, Joe sets the tone and introduces Episode 26.
00:10 – Meet Matthew Stevens
Introduction to Matthew, his work as a shamanic practitioner, and how Joe discovered him.
01:00 – Joe’s Curiosity About Ayahuasca
Joe talks about learning from YouTube and his fascination with plant medicine.
02:30 – What Ayahuasca Actually Is
Matthew explains ayahuasca, DMT, and how the brew works in the body.
04:00 – Matthew’s Origin Story
Losing both parents, depression, and the start of his spiritual journey.
05:30 – The “Calling” & First Ceremony
How a chance encounter led Matthew to his first ayahuasca experience.
06:45 – First Ayahuasca Experience (Intense Story)
Fear, “splitting,” and being guided through the experience by a shaman.
08:15 – Other Realms Explained
Introduction to shamanic journeying, drumming, and altered states without drugs.
09:30 – Life Transformation After Ayahuasca
How that one experience changed Matthew’s direction completely.
10:30 – Training & Peru Experience
Trips to the Amazon, working with shamans, and differences between traditions.
12:00 – What Is Shamanism Really?
Breaking down misconceptions—spiritual practice vs religion.
13:00 – Do You Need Plant Medicine?
Why most shamans don’t actually rely on psychedelics.
14:00 – The Three Worlds (Shamanic Cosmology)
Middle world, lower world, upper world explained.
16:00 – Joe on Wanting the Experience
Joe opens up about wanting to try ayahuasca himself.
17:30 – Real-Life Transformation Stories
Stories of people healing relationships and addictions through ceremonies.
19:00 – Risks & Warnings
Matthew discusses bad experiences and why guidance is crucial.
20:30 – Different Types of DMT Experiences
Ayahuasca vs smoked DMT vs frog medicine.
22:00 – Set, Setting & Safety
Why environment and intention matter massively.
23:30 – Meditation & Daily Practice
How meditation can reach similar states over time.
25:00 – Stress, Health & Modern Life
Discussion on stress, illness, and disconnect from nature.
27:00 – Matthew’s Background
Growing up in Ballyfermot, early spiritual experiences as a child.
29:00 – Corporate Life vs Spiritual Calling
Balancing a pharma career with shamanic work.
30:00 – Leaving the Job & Taking the Leap
Matthew opens up about walking away from corporate life.
31:30 – Why More People Are Getting Sick
Stress, diet, modern lifestyle discussion.
33:00 – Psychedelics & Society
Why substances like LSD were suppressed historically.
35:00 – Death, DMT & the Afterlife Concept
Deep discussion on death, consciousness, and crossing over.
37:00 – Shared DMT Experiences
Why so many people report seeing the same entities.
40:00 – Retreats & Real-Life Practice
What actually happens on Matthew’s retreats.
41:30 – Shamanic Tools (Hapé Explained)
Breakdown of the tobacco snuff and how it’s used.
44:00 – Soul Retrieval Explained
One of the most powerful concepts—recovering lost parts of yourself.
47:30 – Healing, Grief & Letting Go
Emotional healing and processing trauma.
48:30+ – Death, Dying & Spiritual Support
Working with people at end-of-life and emotional closure.