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MW Welman and Harry Jones
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  • Episode 88: Jake White Drama: How Rapport Broke SA Rugby’s Biggest Coaching Story! | With Tinus van Staden
    In Episode 88 of the Lekker Rugby Pod, MW Welman and Harry Jones are joined by Tinus van Staden, the sports editor of Rapport, for a revealing conversation that takes listeners deep inside South African rugby journalism—and the biggest coaching story in the country right now. This episode pulls back the curtain on how Rapport broke the explosive Jake White story, detailing the intense months of behind-the-scenes reporting, verification, and editorial debate that led to one of the most talked-about revelations in South African sport.Tinus explains how the story came together, why vivid detail matters in investigative storytelling, and what it says about shifting leadership cultures in rugby. He opens up about the newsroom discussions with top writer Hendrik Cronjé, the responsibility that comes with reporting uncomfortable truths, and how Rapport maintains its credibility while navigating backlash from fans and rugby insiders alike.This conversation also explores the evolving relationship between media and SA Rugby, the unique role of Afrikaans journalism in local rugby coverage, and how Rapport balances source relationships with integrity. Tinus shares insight into the emotional distance modern coaches need to maintain, the Bulls’ coaching succession after White’s departure, and names like Johan Ackermann and Franco Smith that are being floated behind the scenes.Beyond Jake White, the trio delves into selection politics around players like Evan Roos and Cameron Hanekom, the global curiosity about South African rugby from countries like Ireland and France, and Rassie Erasmus’s long-term strategy to regenerate the Springboks. There’s also a candid look at the digital challenges facing sports media, from content theft to adapting to an online-first world.This is a front-row seat to how journalism shapes rugby culture—and how one newsroom broke the story that’s still shaking Loftus.
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  • Episode 87: Inside the RUGBY Mind of Heyneke Meyer – With Harry Jones!
    Former Springbok and Bulls head coach Heyneke Meyer joins Harry Jones for a deeply personal and thought-provoking conversation on Episode 87 of the Lekker Rugby Pod. From building the Bulls dynasty to shaping a World Cup-winning Springbok spine, Meyer opens up about the human side of coaching — where character, mental toughness, and humility matter far more than raw talent.They explore the growing tension between data-driven coaching and traditional intuition, and why Meyer believes too many young coaches are becoming addicted to tech at the expense of real connection. He reflects on his player selection philosophy, the psychology behind building a team from the bottom, and how traits like resilience, work ethic, and selflessness often trump physical gifts.Heyneke also shares why he believes coaches can learn from interrogation techniques (yes, really), how he helped transition players like Pieter-Steph du Toit into global stars, and why he never blames referees — no matter the result. It's a conversation that strips rugby back to its core: people, pressure, and purpose.If you're a coach, player, or fan who cares about what really makes a champion — this is a must-listen.
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  • Episode 86: "Coaching the Man, Not Just the Player!" | Inside the mind of one of rugby's greatest coaches!
    In one of the most revealing and thoughtful rugby conversations we’ve ever had, Episode 86 of the Lekker Rugby Pod takes you deep into the mind of Franco Smith — Glasgow Warriors coach, Springbok flyhalf, and arguably one of the most visionary thinkers in the game today.Speaking to us from Italy on the eve of his son’s wedding, Franco opens up like never before. This is not your usual rugby interview. This is about how he thinks. How he sees the game. How he leads. How he builds character, not just players. And why the future of rugby might depend on coaches who are willing to connect, listen, and rethink everything.We explore his journey from Springbok flyhalf to international coaching force. We unpack his personal values — from faith to family — and how those shape his coaching philosophy. We talk about leadership, locker room dynamics, player psychology, and what it takes to get a team playing with soul. He also gives us a rare look into the systems and decisions behind Glasgow’s best-ever season, and why adaptability, purpose, and emotional intelligence might be rugby’s next frontier.Could Franco Smith be a future Springbok head coach? Maybe. But one thing’s for sure — you’ll see the game differently after this.This is the Lekker Rugby Pod at its very best. Only on Megafoon Rugby.
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  • Episode 84: Inside the Mind of a Rugby Owner: Marco Masotti on Building the Sharks' Empire
    Sharks majority owner Marco Masotti sits down with Harry Jones for an unfiltered conversation about the high-stakes world of professional rugby ownership. From Wall Street boardrooms to the Kings Park locker room, Masotti shares how a casual connection to South African expats evolved into a bold rugby investment strategy.This episode goes deep into how the Sharks franchise is being rebuilt from the ground up after COVID, with a 57% spike in attendance and major strides in academy and youth structures. Marco and Harry unpack what it means to grow rugby commercially without losing its soul. They explore the pressures of running a club that still posts financial losses, while trying to expand its footprint in Europe and North America ahead of the 2031 Rugby World Cup.They also explore the emotional and cultural weight rugby carries, the challenge of attracting younger fans, and why transformation isn’t just a box-ticking exercise—it’s a creative advantage. From squad management and coaching reviews to big dreams of Sharks academies in New York and a more united South African rugby landscape, this is a masterclass in the business and soul of the game.For anyone interested in the future of rugby, this conversation is essential viewing.
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  • Episode 85: Jake White Under Fire: Loftus in Turmoil | Lekker Rugby Pod Special!
    In one of the most earth-shattering moments of the Bulls’ recent history, head coach Jake White is facing a full-blown internal revolt. Multiple senior players and assistant coaches have taken their concerns directly to Bulls upper management — a move that has stunned just about everyone inside and outside Loftus.In this special episode of the Lekker Rugby Pod, MW Welman and Harry Jones grapple with the gravity of what's unfolding — and what it means for the Bulls going forward.For MW, this story is more than just reporting. It’s personal. He’s walked the halls of Loftus, built genuine relationships inside the setup, and has long admired Jake White as a coach and figure in the game. The developments of the past few days have left him deeply unsettled. There's disappointment. Sadness. A sense that something important is breaking.But MW lays out what he’s learnt from those close to the situation — honestly and carefully. No melodrama. Just the uncomfortable truth: that this isn’t a minor issue. It’s a rupture. And it’s taken many by complete surprise.Harry digs into the bigger questions: What went wrong? Can trust be rebuilt? And what happens next?This episode isn’t about point-scoring or panic — it’s about trying to make sense of a moment that feels like a turning point.Nobody expected the Bulls’ season to end with an off-field explosion like this. If you care about the Bulls, about Jake White, or about the state of South African rugby leadership — this one matters.
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Blending North with South, Pretoria with Cape Town, data-driven MW Welman spars each week with globetrotting Harry Jones on Saffa-related themes to understand the whole world of rugby as it is and will become: making a plan but being ready to throw it all out the window.
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