Religion on the Mind

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Guest: Jay Michaelson (Both/And)

Topics:

Why "spirituality" makes a bad communicator (3:07)

Reb Zalman Schachter-Shalomi, and inventing God in our own image (5:04)

Psychedelics, myth-making, and religion as "proto peer review" (16:56)

The case for spirituality's broadness (32:04)

Crystals, gurus, and spotting spiritual abuse (38:07)

Peak experiences, Kierkegaard's leap of faith, and the trouble with certainty (59:07)

Previous Episode with Jay:

Rabbi and Journalist Jay Michaelson (#366)

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Guests: Tony Jones & Josh Gilbert (Generation Gap Culture Hour returns!)

Topics:

Culture roundup: alliteration bios, Son of Helena, dude lit & Lonesome Dove (1:58)

The Odyssey: theater reactions, IMAX chaos & the OCD popcorn guy (14:33)

Nolan's rewrite: war, Xenia & the Christianization of the Odyssey (23:11)

Patron Half Begins (35:44)

Casting choices: Helen, Elliot Page & the "DEI" debate (36:19)

Oral tradition, the Emily Wilson controversy & Nolan/Bond rumors (44:27)

Agamemnon's sacrifice, Isaac & OCD scrupulosity (54:54)

Writing historical fiction: polenta, plums & Constantine's conversion (1:03:22)

AI as research assistant: therapy, health & the future of work (1:16:12)

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Episode #370 | Trusting Yourself After Religious Change

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To Trust Your Experience (Dustin Kensrue) (#38)

Is experience potentially a direct pathway to the God of the universe? Or is it simply “the heart [being] deceitful above all things”? Can we trust our spiritual experience, and if so, which experiences are trustworthy? This topic was recommended by my guest Dustin Kensrue (singer/songwriter of the band Thrice, former worship director at Mars Hill Church in Seattle), and I jumped at it. In today’s episode, we go through Dustin’s own story, from young Christian punk rocker, to prominent Neo-Calvinist, to church scandal whistleblower (sort of), to reconstructed liberal Christian, all the while considering the role of experience in that journey.

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Guest: Jenn Mason (⁠WinkWink Boutique⁠)

Topics:

Growing up Jewish in a small rural town and rediscovering Judaism as an adult (1:43)

National media attention, antisemitic harassment, and finding a spiritual framework (6:26)

Why read the Gospels: side-eye toward Christianity and swimming in a Christian culture (10:57)

Softness, disability, and getting "off template" (24:53)

First impressions of Matthew: the Sermon on the Mount and Jesus at the center (34:23)

Anti-Pharisee texts, the Great Commission, and the religion of Jesus vs. Christianity (43:32)

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Guest: Valerie Martin (Gaia Center / But For Real Podcast)

Topics:

Tarot, astrology, and Valerie's path into new age spirituality (4:57)

Wellness coaching, MLM culture, and spiritual bypassing (10:53)

Cialdini's Influence: social proof and identity enmeshment (24:03)

Money, ethics, and the "Wild West" of spiritual coaching (31:24)

Patron Break

The Telepathy Tapes: facilitated communication and the case for and against (43:51)

Near-death experiences, psi phenomena, and the limits of a materialist brain (1:00:53)

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