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    A Meal of Thorns 47- CLOUD ATLAS with Abigail Nussbaum

    06/04/2026 | 1h 10 mins.
    A nested novel that very pointedly bridges the litfic/specfic divide, David Mitchell’s Cloud Atlas takes some big swings at tricky topics. Abigail Nussbaum returns to the podcast with some thoughts on how the novel has aged, and how it’s still relevant to genre thinking today.

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    Guest: Abigail Nussbaum

    Title: Cloud Atlas by David Mitchell

    Host:Jake Casella Brookins

    Music byGiselle Gabrielle Garcia

    Artwork byRob Patterson

    Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough

    References:

    ARB’s Fundraiser!!!

    Track Changes

    Aliya Whiteley’s The Misheard World & Abigail’s review

    Nina Allen

    Alexis Hall's Hell's Heart

    Olivia Waite

    Herman Melville’s Moby-Dick

    Lincoln Michel's Metallic Realms

    Vladimir Nabokov’s Pale Fire

    Hanya Yanagihara's The People in the Trees

    Readerville forum & Salon Magazine's “The Well”

    The Cloud Atlas by Liam Callanan

    Jonathan Lethem's Girl in Landscape & Motherless Brooklyn

    Kate Atkinson's Case Histories

    Our episode on The Historian

    Michael Chabon’s The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay and The Yiddish Policemen’s Union

    New Wave, Cyberpunk, Mundane SF, The New Weird

    China Miéville’s Perdido Street Station

    The “New Adult” category of books

    Taylor Jenkins Reed

    Lessons in Chemistry by Bonnie Garmus

    Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin

    The Marvel Cinematic Universe

    Aragorn’s Tax Policy

    Jeremy Rosen’s Genre Bending

    Anthony Burgess’s A Clockwork Orange, Russel Hoban’s Riddley Walker, Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World

    Sofia Samatar’s The Practice, the Horizon, and the Chain

    Jean Baudrillard

    William Gibson

    The Stanford marshmallow experiment

    The Chatham Islands, Moriori & Māori peoples

    Charlie Jane Anders’ piece on Cloud Atlas

    The Velvet Underground joke (not many people listened, but everybody who did started a band)

    Kazuo Ishiguro’s Never Let Me Go

    Niall Harrison’s “In Search of Green Overshoots”

    The Coral Bones by E.J. Swift

    In Ascension by Martin MacInnes

    Gnomon by Nick Harkaway

    Abigail's Blog & Bluesky

    Tolkien Series: Roseanna Pendlebury & Ed Morland’s, Ranged Touch’s Shelved by Genre, Nick Hubble, Jared Pechaček, Weird Studies
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    A Meal of Thorns 46- THE BIG SLEEP with Max Gladstone

    23/03/2026 | 1h 1 mins.
    We’re leaving speculative genres for just a moment! Author Max Gladstone joins to discuss style & structure in Raymond Chandler’s hardboiled classic The Big Sleep, a work that’s been massively influential across SFF literature, games, & film.

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    Guest: Max Gladstone

    Title: The Big Sleep by Raymond Chandler

    Host:Jake Casella Brookins

    Music byGiselle Gabrielle Garcia

    Additional music from David Hilowitz’s “Future Cities”, CC BY-NC 4.0

    And a couple of seconds from the end of The Mountain Goats’ “Cadaver Sniffing Dog”

    Artwork byRob Patterson

    Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough

    References:

    Nominate for the Hugos!

    Nominate for the Le Guin Prize!

    Support Locus Magazine’s Fundraiser!

    ARB Kickstarter coming soon!

    Stranger Things

    Metro City by Kurt Busiec et al.

    Sex Criminals by Matt Fraction & Chip Zdarsky

    Kieron Gillan

    Balsam Karam's Event Horizon

    John Darnielle's This Year

    Song Exploder episode on the Mountain Goats song “Cadaver Sniffing Dog”

    'Pataphysics

    Waigong & neigong

    Ernest Hemingway’s “Hills Like White Elephants”

    Dorothy Parker

    William Gibson

    L.A. Confidential, dir. Curtis Hanson

    Tracer Bullet in Bill Waterson’s Calvin & Hobbes

    Snoopy in Charles Schulz’s Peanuts

    Dashiel Hammett

    Haruki Murakami'sHard-Boiled Wonderland & The End of the World

    Roger Zelazny's Lord of Light & The Dead Man's Brother

    The Raymond Chandler Papers, edited by Tom Hiney & Frank McShane

    James M. Cain’s Double Indemnity

    Chandler’s essay “The Simple Art of Murder”

    Max Payne, directed by Petri Järvilehto & written by Sam Lake

    Albert Camus & Jean-Paul Sartre

    Robert A. Heinlein

    Gene Wolfe's The Book of the New Sun

    Hammet's The Maltese Falcon

    Chandler’s The Long Goodbye

    Fix-ups & “cannibal novels”

    William Faulkner & Leigh Bracket

    To Have and To Have Not, directed by Howard Hawks

    Humphrey Bogart & Lauren Bacall

    Chandler’s The High Window

    Rex Stour's Nero Wolfe stories, such as Black Orchids

    “The CSI effect”

    Jeffrey Rowland's “Science Cop” bit in Wigu

    David Lynch

    Paul Aster

    Peter Brooks' Reading for the Plot

    Dead Hand Rule, the latest Craft novel (one more to come!)

    Max's website & newsletter
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    A Meal of Thorns 45- THE DEEP SEA DIVER’S SYNDROME with Alexander Dickow

    09/03/2026 | 1h 3 mins.
    In this science fiction novel, translated from the French, dreamers “dive” into their own subconscious and return with mysterious & valuable objects. Translator, author, & scholar Alexander Dickow joins to discuss Francophone SF, weird fiction, and artistic allegories & analogies.

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    Guest: Alexander Dickow

    Title: The Deep-Sea Diver’s Syndrome by Serge Brussolo, translated by Edward Gauvin

    Host:Jake Casella Brookins

    Music byGiselle Gabrielle Garcia

    Artwork byRob Patterson

    Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough

    References:

    Nominate for the Hugos (if you’re eligible to)

    Nominate for the Le Guin prize (open to all!)

    The Translated Hugo Initiative

    Alexander’s Strange Horizons article on Francophone SF

    China Miéville

    Jeff VanderMeer's Annihilation

    Poets Skip Fox & Ian Seeds

    Emil Petaja’s The Nets of Space

    Philippe Curval

    Kilgore Trout

    Alfred Jarry & ‘Pataphysics

    Ivan Goncharov’s Oblomov

    Edgar Rice Burrough’s Tarzan

    Philip K. Dick

    Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?/Bladerunner

    PKD’s The Galactic Pot Healer, Confessions of a Crap Artist, Ubik

    Nathalie Sarraute’s work on Proust (possibly in The Age of Suspicion)

    Tolkien's “Leaf By Niggle”

    Harrison's Clomping Foot of Nerdism

    C.J. Cherryh's Wave Without A Shore

    Samuel Richardson

    Walter Scott

    Keats’ letter to Woodhouse: “A Poet is the most unpoetical of any thing in existence.”

    PKD’s A Scanner Darkly

    “Smellevision replaces television”

    Zachary Gillan’s work on the "Weird Art Story"

    Richard Gavin

    Alexander’s “The Weird and the Fantastic: Genre in Theory and Genre as History”

    Laurent Genefort

    Nnedi Okorafor's Death of the Author

    Honoré de Balzac

    Samatar's Olondriannovels

    Ray Bradbury's "The Jar"

    Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun

    "Anti-fantasy"

    Christopher Nolan's Inception

    JJ Abram's “Mystery Box” (blech boo hiss)

    Clive Barker's The Hellbound Heart

    Alexander's Linktree

    Alain Damasio’s The Horde of the Counterwind
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    A Meal of Thorns 44- PALADIN OF SOULS with Liz Bourke

    23/02/2026 | 1h 8 mins.
    Reviewer and historian Liz Bourke joins to discuss religion, historical overlaps, and examinations of gender in Paladin of Souls and fantasy more generally.

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    Guest: Liz Bourke

    Title: Paladin of Souls by Lois McMaster Bujold

    Host:Jake Casella Brookins

    Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia

    Artwork by Rob Patterson

    Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough

    References:

    Blood Tide by Sophie Burnham

    Jen Lyons' Green and Deadly Things

    Hiron Ennes’ The Works of Vermin

    China Miéville’s Perdido Street Station

    Bret Devereaux’s series on military-historical realism in Tolkien; see for instance “The Siege of Gondor Part IV”

    McMaster’s Curse of Chalion, Penric & Desdemona series, Vorkosigan series

    Julian of Norwich's Revelations of Divine Love

    Bioware's Dragon Age games

    Cult of Asclepius

    Tolkien's idea of the “eucatastrophe”

    M. Night Shyamalan

    Mythopoeia

    Sofia Samatar’s A Stranger in Olondria and The Winged Histories

    Liz's bluesky & website
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    A Meal of Thorns 43- DIASPORA with Eden Kupermintz

    09/02/2026 | 1h 13 mins.
    Greg Egan’s work exemplifies a certain kind of “hard” science fiction: not that it’s obsessed with big manly space battles, but rather that it’s using science to really dig into some complicated subjects. Eden Kupermintz, of Death // Sentence and many other cool projects, joins to discuss the scope and the scale, philosophy and physics in Diaspora.

     

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    Guest: Eden Kupermintz

    Title: Diaspora by Greg Egan

    Host: Jake Casella Brookins

    Music by Giselle Gabrielle Garcia

    Additional music:

    "Equatorial Complex" by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
    Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

    "Fluidscape" by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
    Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

    Artwork by Rob Patterson

    Opening poem by Bhartṛhari, translated by John Brough

    References:

    The Translated Hugo Initiative

    Brian Catling's Earwig

    Jeffrey Ford's The Physiognomy

    Jeff VanderMeer's The Strange Bird

    Jeremy P. Bushnell's Relentless Melt

    Severian (from Wolfe’s Book of the New Sun)

    Mark Z. Danielewski’s House of Leaves

    "Every text is ergodic if you want it to be."

    Pink Floyd's Stairway to Heaven

    Heavy Blog is Heavy

    Centroeuropa by Vicente Luis Mora, translated by Rahul Bery

    Dengue Boy by Michel Nieve, translated by Rahul Bery

    You Dreamed of Empires by Álvaro Enrigue, translated by Natasha Wimmer

    Enrigue in discussion with Maia Gil’Adí (friend of the pod) on Novel Dialogue

    Jeff VanderMeer’s Annihilation & Authority (and the Meal of Thorns episode)

    Dan Simmons’ Hyperion

    Ursula Le Guin's Ekumen (in the Hainish books)

    Ben Berman Ghan’s The Years Shall Run Like Rabbits & Eden's review

    Olaf Stapledon's Last and First Men and Starmaker

    Greg Egan's Scale

    Backlisted episode on Last and First Men

    David Hume

    leptons & femtoseconds

    Gilles Deleuze & Jacques Derrida

    Immanuel Kant & correlationism

    Egan's Perihelion Summer

    Socrates & Plato & the polis

    solipsism

    Edwin A. Abbot's Flatland

    Zelazny, Le Guin, Dick, Asimov

    Peter Watts' Blindsight

    Becky Chambers' To Be Taught If Fortunate

    Egan's Morphotropic

    Larry Niven (e.g., Ringworld)

    "I know kung fu" scene in The Matrix

    Pragmatism, coherence, William James

    The Best of Greg Egan

    Permutation City

    Greg Daniel’s Upload series

    The Orthogonal Rocket trilogy

    Zendegi

    Karen Burnham's Modern Masters of SF book on Egan

    MMSF on Ballard, Bester

    Frederick Pohl's Gateway

    Poul Anderson’s Tau Zero

    Wells, Camille Flammarion, Flash Gordon, Star Trek & Star Wars

    M. John Harrison’s The Centauri Device

    Gareth Watkin's essay on AI & fascism

    John M. Ford's Web of Angels on Death // Sentence

    GregEgan.net

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A critical book club from the Ancillary Review of Books. Host Jake Casella Brookins invites writers, scholars, and critics to discuss thorny works of science fiction, fantasy, and other speculative genres.
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