Ahead of the Game

• Why Community Matters More than Followers

  In this episode of the DMI podcast, host ⁠Will Francis⁠ sits down with Kineta Kelsall, founder of School of Social and LinkedIn trainer, to dive into the art of building genuine communities in social media. Kineta challenges the traditional notion of brand-centric marketing, emphasizing that true community is about creating spaces where like-minded people can connect authentically.She shares insights on how brands can move beyond follower counts to create meaningful connections, highlighting the importance of understanding audience needs, providing value, and letting community members take the lead. 0:01:08 - Defining true community in social media0:13:11 - Changes in social media community building over the past decade0:22:19 - Examples of successful community building (Cleats Club, Lululemon)0:32:52 - Top 5 tips for building a community"It's not that we want to connect, it's that we need to connect. We want to be understood." -----------------------The Ahead of the Game podcast is brought to you by the Digital Marketing Institute and is available on our ⁠website⁠, ⁠Apple Podcasts⁠, ⁠Spotify⁠, and ⁠YouTube⁠.Check out the DMI’s extensive digital marketing library of ebooks, toolkits, webinars, guides, templates, and more! ⁠Join for free today⁠.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a review so others can find us!

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• Making Smarter Marketing Decisions with Clickstream Data

  How can marketers use data effectively without getting completely lost in the numbers?In this episode of the DMI podcast, host Will Francis sits down with Eli Goodman, CEO and founder of Datos, a company specializing in clickstream data. They discuss how anonymous, large-scale data can help marketers better understand consumer behavior, how marketing attribution is evolving, and why nonlinear customer journeys are often misunderstood.Eli also shares his founder journey, from launching Datos during the pandemic to its acquisition by Semrush in 2023. Datos is also the provider of data to SparkToro, run by Rand Fishkin who came on the podcast during 2024.What you'll learn:What clickstream data is and why it matters for marketersThe biggest misconceptions about marketing attributionHow brands can measure the real impact of their contentWhy nonlinear consumer journeys challenge traditional analyticsHow data-driven marketers should think about AIThe key lessons Eli learned from growing and selling a startupEli also shares insights on the future of data privacy, why marketers should think beyond last-click attribution, and how AI is reshaping both creativity and analytics in marketing.00:06 – Introduction00:40 – What is Datos and how does it use clickstream data?03:08 – Understanding consumer behavior through anonymized data06:17 – The challenge of marketing attribution and nonlinear journeys10:36 – Why correlation matters as much as causation14:01 – The biggest surprises marketers discover in their data19:21 – Data vs. creative decision-making in marketing24:04 – AI’s impact on both data analysis and creative work35:54 – Eli’s founder journey and the early days of Datos41:23 – From startup to acquisition: Lessons in scaling a business45:41 – Advice for marketers: Using data effectively without over-relying on it49:55 – Where to find Eli online------------------------The Ahead of the Game podcast is brought to you by the Digital Marketing Institute and is available on our website, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube.Check out the DMI’s extensive digital marketing library of ebooks, toolkits, webinars, guides, templates, and more! Join for free today.If you enjoyed this episode, please leave a review so others can find us!

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• What Does a Fractional CMO Do?

  The word "fractional" gets bandied around a lot these days. But what does it really mean, and how can a CMO be fractional?In this episode of the DMI podcast, host Will Francis sits down with Peter Murphy Lewis of StrategicPete.com and a successful fractional CMO. Peter shares his journey from launching a travel business in South America to becoming a data-driven marketing strategist for a wide range of industries, including software, finance, media, and even zoos. 🔹 What you’ll learn: What a Fractional CMO is and why the role is booming Who actually needs a CMO, and who doesn’t The biggest marketing mistakes Peter made and what he learned The most in-demand digital marketing skills for 2025 Why LinkedIn newsletters and automation are underrated goldmines How and why Peter builds high-performing remote teams using global talentPeter also talks about the power of vulnerability in leadership, his intern-to-MVP framework, and why he believes AI is an opportunity, not a threat.Check out Peter's documentary on YouTube - People Worth Caring About------------------------- 00:06 – Introduction 00:54 – What is a Fractional CMO? 04:38 – Does Every Business Need a CMO? 06:49 – Peter’s Background & Path to Becoming a Fractional CMO 09:18 – Performance-Based Marketing Contracts: Pros & Cons 12:36 – Biggest Early Career Mistakes & Lessons Learned 16:05 – How Digital Marketing Has Changed in 15 Years 18:26 – Leveraging Global Talent for Growth 21:06 – Peter’s Internship Model: Training Future Marketers 23:32 – The Importance of Soft Skills in Digital Marketing 27:09 – Coaching, Feedback, and the Power of Vulnerability 33:42 – The Most In-Demand Marketing Skills for 2025 36:09 – The Role of AI in Marketing 42:50 – The Top Marketing Trends for 2025 46:46 – Advice for Young Marketers & Entrepreneurs 49:25 – Where to Find Peter Online-------------------------The Ahead of the Game podcast is brought to you by the Digital Marketing Institute and is available on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.Check out the DMI's extensive digital marketing library of ebooks, toolkits, podcasts, webinars, guides, templates, advice, and more! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join for free today⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.And if you enjoyed this episode please leave a review so others can find us!

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• 2025 Trends in Digital Marketing - Part 2

  In this second episode of our trends insights for 2025, host ⁠⁠Will Francis⁠⁠⁠⁠ introduces the ideas and tips brought to bear in the DMI's trends webinar held on December 2024. We talked to lots of other experts about their predictions for this year, and you can listen to them in Part 1 here. In this episode: Alison Battisby of Avocado Social discusses key social media trends, from Bluesky to EGC to customer collaboration. Clark Boyd of Novela considers the state of paid search and Performance Max and how we'll see a lot more of AI agents. Luke O'Leary of Neil Patel Digital look at AI search and content reveals research on attitudes to AI vs human-generated content. He also joins Will to answer questions on the fly during the webinar Q&A. ------------------------- Join Will in his 4-part live masterclass next month - the Social Media Playbook for 2025! Podcast listeners can avail of a discount with the code DMIPODQ2. Sign up here. ------------------------- The Ahead of the Game podcast is brought to you by the Digital Marketing Institute and is available on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out the DMI's extensive digital marketing library of ebooks, toolkits, podcasts, webinars, guides, templates, advice, and more! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join for free today⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. And if you enjoyed this episode please leave a review so others can find us! You can also drop us a line with topic or guest suggestions at podcast (at) digitalmarketinginstitute (dot) com.

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• 2025 Trends in Digital Marketing - Part 1

  New year = new predictions for the world of digital marketing! The DMI's podcast host ⁠Will Francis⁠⁠ talked to eight experts across digital marketing about what marketers can expect to see and what they should focus on during 2025. We have so many amazing insights to share, so we've broken this podcast into two episodes! Catch episode 2 here. ------------------------ Join Will in his 4-part live masterclass next month - the Social Media Playbook for 2025! Podcast listeners can avail of a discount with the code DMIPODQ2. Sign up ⁠here⁠. ------------------------- In this first episode, Will hears a range of thoughts of the opportunities and challenges coming up. Jim Lecinski, Professor of Marketing at Northwestern-Kellogg, sees AI shifting from productivity improvements to enabling transformative business growth, customer data platforms (CDPs) becoming more cloud-native and AI-powered, and marketers needing to prepare for Gen Alpha. -- Check out our ⁠January 22 webinar on Youth Marketing⁠. -- Nikki Lindgren, founder of agency Pennock, sees community engagement and alignment with brand values becoming crucial for beauty & lifestyle brands, increased use of machine learning-based marketing campaigns, and growth in fractional CMO/marketing director roles to support emerging brands. -- Listen to our full episode with Nikki Lindgren on DTC Marketing -- Brian Corish, founder of Elemental AI, isn't the only person to talk about the rise of AI agents that can autonomously execute marketing tasks and workflows . He also sees the need for marketers to develop more holistic, creative, and cross-functional skills to deal with the changing landscape. Fractional CMO and documentarian Peter Murphy Lewis sees LinkedIn organic content and newsletters as highly effective marketing tactics, the leveraging of LinkedIn automation tools to connect with prospects, and webinars remaining a powerful top-to-bottom of funnel marketing strategy. You'll hear more from Peter in an upcoming episode. Mischa McInerney, CMO of the DMI says soft skills are even more critical as AI becomes more pervasive, while companies need to upskill their workforce on AI adoption, and marketers prove the value and outcome of applying new efficiencies. ------------------------- The Ahead of the Game podcast is brought to you by the Digital Marketing Institute and is available on our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out the DMI's extensive digital marketing library of ebooks, toolkits, podcasts, webinars, guides, templates, advice, and more! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join for free today⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. And if you enjoyed this episode please leave a review so others can find us! You can also drop us a line with topic or guest suggestions at podcast (at) digitalmarketinginstitute (dot) com.

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