Between Two Beers Podcast

Kieran Read is one of the greatest All Blacks of all time. Two-time World Cup winner, Crusaders legend, and the man who replaced Richie McCaw as captain with 800 tests of combined experience suddenly out the door.

But four years on from his first appearance on Between Two Beers, the most interesting chapter of Kieran's story is only just beginning.

In this episode we get into the leadership journey from the very start - Rosehill College, the PE teacher who changed everything, displacing Reuben Thorne at the Crusaders, calling the Teabag lineout in the 2011 World Cup final, the Argentina moment where the coaches walked out, what Steve Hansen told him that stung, and why going to Japan felt like dropping 100 kilograms.

Plus his $300K lads fund, a whiskey barrel in Reefton, and the Kieran Reed Human Endeavour leadership course.

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Steve and Seamus sit down with their business coach Di for their first session of 2026 - and they're not holding back.

On the table: a plan to 5x revenue in three years, double their audience in twelve months, and finally build the team around them that the business actually needs.

They get into why growing your audience doesn't pay off in the same year, why neither of them are natural team builders, and why after six years of running on instinct, the numbers are starting to matter.
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Ruben Miller spent 22 years as a forensic scientist in New Zealand, working on more than 160 homicide investigations. This is the story of what it cost him.

In this episode we talk about what it actually feels like to walk into a homicide scene, the forensic principle that guides every investigation, the case that still hasn't left him, and what two decades of witnessing violence quietly does to a person.

We also get into PTSD, therapy, what resilience actually means versus what we tell ourselves it means, and how Ruben found compassion for people most of us would write off entirely.

Ruben's book The Blood Says Otherwise is out now at all good bookstores and online.

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⚠️ This episode contains discussion of homicide, child death, trauma, and PTSD. Please take care.
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Have you made the switch from ChatGPT to Claude yet?

Steve and Che did - and they're not going back.

In this week's Hambassadors they break down why they ditched ChatGPT, what Claude is actually doing for their business, and why one of them still can't bring himself to fully commit.

Plus: the truth about what happens in the studio before guests arrive, Che’s horror dentist bill, going solo at Homegrown, and why putting IKEA furniture together is a life lesson.

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Melie Kerr joins us fresh off being named White Ferns captain across all formats and scoring a T20 century on captaincy debut - the first woman ever to do so.

But this episode goes well beyond cricket.

Growing up in one of New Zealand's most celebrated cricket families, Melie was the kid who made her dad commentate 7am net sessions as if she was playing in a World Cup final. She went on to become the youngest ever White Fern, break records, and win that World Cup. From the outside, she had everything - her dream job and an amazing family. But behind it, she was fighting something nobody could see.

Melie opens up about the panic attacks, the sleepless nights, the thoughts that scared her, and the moment she realised she needed help. She talks about the family intervention that changed everything, how Maddie Green became her lifeline, and what it felt like to sit in a hospital room reading from her journal while everyone in the room cried.

She also talks about turning that pain into purpose - creating Treading Water, her video series built on the belief that one story might save one life.

This is one of the most honest, important conversations we've had in six years.

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If you or someone you know needs support, help is available.

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