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    Growing meat from cells, with Dr. Natalie Rubio

    22/09/2026 | 1 mins.
    Cellular Agriculture
    Livestock farming is a major driver of global greenhouse gas emissions, deforestation, and water consumption, yet global demand for meat continues to rise. Cellular agriculture offers an alternative by cultivating meat from animal cells in a bioreactor. This could significantly reduce the climate and environmental impacts of meat production while delivering the same quality of meat consumers love.

    Cells to Meat - How and Why
    Current food production systems, particularly for meat, can be among the most harmful human activities for the environment. They often require vast amounts of fresh water and land, are a major source of water pollution, and contribute to about one third of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions. Yet, the demand for meat continues to rise, with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations projecting the demand to reach 445 M metric tons by 2050, which is a 76 percent increase from 2005. Cultured, or cell-based, meat has the potential to remedy these issues. Meat cultured in a bioreactor can avoid harming animal welfare, producing methane, or spreading food-borne diseases, and promotes a more humane, sustainable, and safe way to consume meat without substantial change to consumption habits.
    Cultured meat is created by taking cells from an animal and growing them in bioreactors. Through controlling temperature, exposure to nutrients, and other aspects, the cells can be tricked into believing that they are still inside of an animal. Under these carefully monitored conditions, the cells divide and proliferate, or grow exponentially, and mature into muscle and fat tissue through a process called differentiation.

    The Potential and the Challenges
    Advocates for cultured beef project that it will use less land and water, and produce less greenhouse gas emission compared to farmed beef. Cultured meat additionally has the potential to benefit public health by reducing the spread of food-borne illness, infectious disease, and antimicrobial resistance. Farmed meat can carry countless pathogens, including zoonotic diseases, or diseases that can be passed from animal to human, such as influenza A. During the pandemic, meat-packing plants experienced multitudes of COVID-19 outbreaks. Cell-based meat production is conducted under more sterile conditions, so it has a lower chance of spreading such pathogens.
    Despite the promising potential of cultured meat, it faces many challenges when it comes to commercialization. The primary concern of lab-grown meat is the cost. Media, or the food the cells use, is extremely expensive, and bioreactors, which were originally designed to cultivate small quantities of cells at a time, still need to be scaled. Cells are also finicky, so when conditions are unfavorable, they stop growing. With large vessels it is difficult to ensure that the conditions are always optimal for growth. Due to these high production costs, some estimates of the potential cost of cultured meat are approximately $37 per kilogram, which is 10 times more expensive than the cost of regular meat.
    In addition, many studies have shown that attitudes towards lab-grown meat are mixed, with some customers having concerns about the ‘unnaturalness’ and about the safety of the product. One study showed that although 65 percent of respondents were willing to try cell-based meat, only approximately 33 percent were willing to eat it regularly or as a replacement for farmed meat. To gain consumer acceptance, the lab-grown alternative must be at a minimum equivalent, if not superior in quality to that of regular meat, which can be especially challenging for meats that require structure, like steak.

    Natalie Rubio’s Perspective
    Natalie Rubio believes that despite the challenges cell-based meats face, there is tremendous potential and that areas in which current technology is lacking are simply opportunities for new technologies to develop.
    Rubio co-founded Deco Labs to take on some of the challenges posed to cultured meat and develop solutions to them. Currently, Deco Labs are experimenting with genetic engineering to make the cells more productive and with creating cheaper media to feed the cells and lower the cost of production. Natalie Rubio believes that despite the current cost of cultured meat, cheaper inputs can lead cell-based meats to becoming cheaper than conventional meat.

    About our Guest
    Natalie Rubio was one of the first interns at New Harvest and later became a New Harvest Research Fellow. As a fellow, Rubio completed her Ph.D. at Kaplan Lab at Tufts University, being among the first in the world to complete a Ph.D. in cellular agriculture. Currently, Natalie Rubio is a co-founder and CEO of Deco Labs.

    Resources
    TEDx Talks, Natalie Rubio on the Journey of Cellular Agriculture
    Fraser et al, The Foundations of Cellular Agriculture
    Rubio et al, Plant-based and cell-based approaches to meat production
    Economics Research Service USDA, The Economics of Cellular Agriculture
    New Harvest, Natalie Rubio among world’s first cellular agriculture Ph.D
    A transcript of this episode can be found at https://climatebreak.org/growing-meat-from-cells-with-dr-natalie-rubio/
  • Climate Break

    Building large-scale solar infrastructure, with Patrick Mealoy

    15/09/2026 | 1 mins.
    What is the Valley Clean Infrastructure Plan?
    Golden State Clean Energy aims to turn a large swath of struggling farmland in western Fresno County into a large solar panel installation. The Valley Clean Infrastructure Plan (VCIP) would repurpose up to 136,000 acres of salty, waterlogged agricultural land into more than 20,000 megawatts of solar energy, capable of producing enough electricity to meet up to 15% of California’s needs. The project would also help push California toward its Senate Bill 100 mandate, which requires the state to reach 100% clean electricity by 2045. A single project the size of VCIP could make a meaningful dent in that goal.

    Benefits
    Chief Operating Officer of Golden State Clean Energy Patrick Mealoy says VCIP alone could cover 10-15% of California's electricity needs– enough to power roughly nine million homes. The project would also cut electricity-related carbon dioxide emissions by 15%. The project’s new transmission line would carry clean power throughout Northern California, reducing the region’s reliance on natural gas, and would ease one of the grid’s worst congestion points between Northern and Southern California. Because the existing farmland is degraded by salt buildup and drainage problems, VCIP frames itself as putting failing land to better use, including optimizing scarce water supplies and cutting dust pollution. The project will also create roughly 6,000 construction jobs and 1,2000 permanent operations jobs. And for family farms sitting on the impaired ground, VCIP offers long-term lease income while keeping the land in the family’s name.

    Drawbacks and Critiques
    The scale of VCIP makes it a hard sell. Projects this size can spend years in development waiting for energy grid interconnection studies and environmental permitting. Fallow fields can serve as habitat for species that have adapted to the Central Valley, so large solar buildouts still face scrutiny over their ecological impact. And converting farmland to energy infrastructure at this scale raises questions about who holds the water rights tied to that land once it’s no longer farmed, and what happens to the site itself decades from now when the panels are eventually decommissioned.

    Patrick Mealoy’s Take
    Mealoy sees VCIP as making the best of land that has few other viable uses. This ground is already failing as productive farmland, in a district that’s already fighting drainage and salinity problems. In his view, the choice is between using this land to generate clean power or leaving it fallow, generating no return for the farmers who own it.

    About our Guest
    Patrick Mealoy is the Chief Operating Officer of Golden State Clean Energy, the developer behind the Valley Clean Infrastructure Plan.
    Resources
    Golden State Clean Energy, The Valley Clean Infrastructure Plan
    Canary Media, A Huge Solar Project Grows in California
    A transcript of this episode can be found at https://climatebreak.org/building-large-scale-solar-infrastructure-with-patrick-mealoy/
  • Climate Break

    Building disability-inclusive disaster strategies, with Germán Parodi

    08/09/2026 | 1 mins.
    Disabilities During Disasters
    Extreme weather events are increasingly frequent and severe, yet emergency response systems often fail to protect disabled people. The Partnership for Inclusive Disaster Strategies (PIDS) is a non-profit working to reform emergency management in the United States by centering disability rights, equity, and accessibility before, during, and after climate-induced disasters.

    The Work of The Partnership
    Disability inclusion in disasters is multi-faceted; PIDS, or The Partnership, envisions, “disability inclusive engagement throughout disaster preparedness, mitigation, response and recovery to build back better, optimize community resilience, and improve disaster outcomes for all.” The effort to increase inclusivity is critical to improving lifesaving efforts, with 16% of the world’s population and 27% of the US’s population living with a disability. People with disabilities are significantly more likely - up to four times - to be killed or injured during natural disasters. That’s largely because emergency preparedness and response have not been developed to include the disabled community.
    One link that has become clearer in recent years is the overlap in the needs of those who have disabilities and those who are aging - both in everyday independent living and in the wake of disasters. Recognizing this, PIDS participates in the Disability and Aging Network, a group of organizations supporting disabled and aging individuals after disasters. PIDS especially supports disability-led organizations in their efforts to meet the needs of their communities.
    Before, during, and after a disaster, PIDS can coordinate with emergency response efforts by organizations like FEMA and the Red Cross to advocate for the needs of disabled and aging individuals and to fill other gaps in the traditional humanitarian response. PIDS provides direct services to members of the disabled community and their family and friends during disasters - for instance, they operate a Disability & Disaster hotline, which anyone can call to get help. The hotline provides information and resources, and assistance finding accommodations like temporary housing and transportation.

    Broader Applications
    PIDS not only does crucial work in times of disaster - they also work behind the scenes to influence advocacy, policy, and systems change. The work PIDS is doing for the disabled community may have applications for others. For instance, the UN reports that, when climate-driven extreme weather events occur, women and children are 14 times more likely to die than men. The strength and frequency of extreme weather is a global issue - though all people are susceptible to the effects of climate change, a community may be more vulnerable due to factors like its geographic situation, economic strength, and demographic makeup. Improving advance planning and emergency response policy, like PIDS advocates for, is important to other vulnerable communities that have been historically underserved during disasters.

    Germán’s Take
    Germán underscores the population-wide benefits of disability-inclusive strategies. One advantage of a resource like the Disability & Disaster hotline is that it lightens the load on first responders who already have a lot going on. Also, adaptations made to include people with disabilities often have unintended benefits for everyone else. Germán points to curb cuts, which are the ramps between the sidewalk and the street. Though they were initially designed to accommodate wheelchairs and other mobility aids, they also benefit strollers, carts, and children on bicycles and scooters, making the transition from the sidewalk to the street smoother for all.
    One way that the disabled community is disproportionately affected by heat waves, storms, and other disasters is power outages. Many people with disabilities or medical conditions rely on energy-intensive devices that support their independence and, in some cases, their survival. Restoring power to individuals can be difficult, especially when they live far from hospitals or other critical services that utilities focus power delivery to in a disaster. Germán sees utility-run battery programs as a step forward in relieving energy anxiety, like PG&E’s Portable Battery Program.

    About our guest
    Germán Parodi is Co-Executive Director at the Partnership for Inclusive Disaster Strategies, a disability-led organization that addresses the needs of people with disabilities in disaster situations. He serves as the Focal Point for Persons with Disabilities in the Americas for the United Nations Disaster Risk Reduction office.

    Resources
    PIDS, Introduction
    NASA, Worsening Extreme Weather
    UN Women, Climate Action to Support Women, Youth, and Girls
    Enterprise Community, Effects of Extreme Weather on Vulnerable Communities
    For a transcript of this episode, visit https://climatebreak.org/building-disability-inclusive-disaster-strategies-with-german-parodi/
  • Climate Break

    Grazing Livestock on Solar Farms, with Stacie Peterson

    01/09/2026 | 1 mins.
    What is Solar Grazing?

    The deployment of utility scale solar has often required clearing vegetation and then using fossil-fuel-powered mowers or toxic herbicides to prevent overgrowth. To reduce these harms, solar grazing is a dual land use approach where livestock is taken to solar farms to manage the vegetation that can grow and interfere with the panels. Solar grazing reduces maintenance emissions, provides a revenue stream for local ranchers, and promotes soil health.

    Why it Works: Sheep

    Solar grazing is a type of targeted grazing, which is, “the controlled application of specific livestock at a designated season, duration, and intensity to achieve specific landscape and vegetation management goals”. Those goals often include weed control, fire risk reduction, and wildlife habitat enhancement. Solar grazing specifically refers to livestock grazing on solar farms, or, under and around solar arrays. According to the American Solar Grazing Association (ASGA), other terms associated with solar grazing include agrivoltaics (the co-location of agriculture and solar), agrisolar, agri-pv, or rangevoltaics. One grazier compares solar grazing to silvopasture - or, grazing under trees - “Just with metal trees”.

    Sheep have been found to be an excellent match for the needs of solar grazing. Sheep are nimble and can work around solar installments, eliminating work that, without re-designing or raising solar panels, can be difficult for humans. The benefits of solar grazing extend beyond vegetation management: sheep have been measured to have lower body temperatures, both in their wool and skin, when they’re shaded by solar panels. Additionally, forage quality and moisture content are higher in the shade where water in the soil evaporates more slowly. Sheep have been shown to drink less water during solar grazing, which reduces water needs for graziers. Solar grazing also eliminates competition for land use between solar developers and graziers.

    What’s Left to Learn

    Solar grazing has been expanding across the country for the last decade; however, long-term studies on the effects of grazing on biotic and abiotic factors - as well as changes in cost over time - have not been widely conducted. One of the highest costs in solar grazing is transportation and logistics, so in places like the US’s Northeast where most solar farms are around 11 acres, moving sheep makes grazing less affordable. In regions with large or interconnected farms, that cost is reduced; Stacie reports that many sheep are born and live out their lives on one farm. Solar grazing is often viewed as just “mowing with sheep” - not as an active agricultural practice. The American Farmland Trust emphasizes that, on the contrary, “It’s a way to grow food, build soil, create habitat, and generate renewable energy at once.”

    Stacie’s Points

    Stacie emphasizes that grazing - even in areas where animals have to be rotated between sites - contributes less fossil fuel emissions than mowers that run on diesel. Mowers and weed-whackers have other side effects: blades have a tendency to “throw” rocks, or pick up and eject rocks, which can damage panels and add costs to operation. Also, using any machine powered by combustion increases fire risk.

    There’s a demographic shift supported by solar grazing. Often, the greatest financial hurdle to a grazing operation is buying or leasing pasture; for young people who won’t inherit pastureland, solar grazing lowers the barrier to entering the industry. Stacie says that polling done by ASGA shows a lower average age of participants compared to the national average, which sits around 65. Also, a greater proportion of women are involved. Another upside: solar graziers are contracted by solar farms - meaning, instead of paying to lease or buy land, they’re being paid for their service - which adds economic opportunity. On the climate side, Stacie underscores improvement in overall soil health, but especially carbon sequestration. The use of agrivoltaics tends to improve public acceptance of large-scale solar, a key strategy for reducing the country’s dependence on fossil fuels.

    About our Guest

    Stacie Peterson is the Executive Director of the American Solar Grazing Association. She was a developer of the AgriSolar Clearinghouse for the Department of Energy and the Director of Energy Programs at the National Center for Appropriate Technology. Her environmental research includes the development of a protocol for domestic dogs to serve as bioindicators of metal contamination and cleanup efficacy.

    Resources

    Society for Rangeland Management, Targeted Grazing

    Fonseca et al, Solar Shade on Sheep

    American Farmland Trust, Grazing Between the Panels

    Andrew et al, Sheep grazing as sustainable vegetation management for solar energy

    For a transcript of this episode, visit https://climatebreak.org/grazing-livestock-on-solar-farms-with-stacie-peterson/
  • Climate Break

    The Future of Battery Storage, with Dr. Shirley Meng

    25/08/2026 | 1 mins.
    Why Sodium?

    The global transition to renewable energy has accelerated the global development of lithium-ion batteries, but the mining and processing of its materials can be harmful to workers, local communities, and the environment. Sodium has a recently emerged as a potentially cheaper and more environmentally friendly alternative that could revolutionize battery storage systems. Dr. Shirley Meng is one of the scientists leading the way in this field, spearheading the creation of the world's first anode-free sodium solid-state battery.

    Diving Deeper

    Dr. Meng’s batteries have three key qualities: they are anode-free, sodium based, and solid-state. Though other researchers have developed batteries with similar characteristics, this is the first time all three have been combined.

    Most batteries consist of three main parts: a cathode, anode, and electrolyte. The cathode is the positive pole, the anode is the negative pole, and the electrolyte is the material between the poles. As explained by the MIT School of Engineering, when a battery is connected to an external circuit, electrons move through the circuit, while simultaneously ions move through the electrolyte. The anode in a standard battery stores ions, while an anode-free battery starts out with no active anode material—the ions come entirely from the cathode.

    According to laser tech company Laserax, there is one key difference between Lithium-ion Batteries (LIBs) and Solid State Batteries (SSBs): the electrolyte material. In an LIB, this is a liquid, typically liquid salt dissolved in an organic solvent, which is highly flammable. In an SSB, this liquid is replaced by a solid electrolyte. Dr. Meng calls the electrolyte in her team’s batteries the “magic salt” because it’s primarily made out of sodium chloride - the same chemical as table salt. By supplementing the magic salt with other chemicals like oxygen, yttrium, and zirconia, an ion-conducting electrolyte can be formed.

    The Pros and Cons

    Dr. Meng’s batteries use sodium in place of the lithium in LIBs. Lithium and other LIB components can only be mined in particular regions, and production - besides being deleterious to the environment - is tightly controlled by a handful of powerful countries. Sodium, on the other hand, is predicted to be about 1200 times more plentiful than lithium in the earth’s crust, and can be accessed from other sources like sea water.

    Anode-free batteries are often lighter, cheaper, and more energy-dense than similarly capable standard batteries. However, they can be harder to manufacture and can have shorter lifetimes. As advances are made by other researchers working on alternate battery structures, these challenges will likely be overcome, as have similar difficulties with LIBs. Dr. Meng’s batteries operate best in the lab at low external temperatures, which fills a gap in the battery market in extremely cold climates; however, scalability and widespread use demands that batteries function in a wide temperature range.

    Solid-state batteries also come with a range of benefits and challenges. Besides being less flammable, they can have faster charging, higher energy capacity, and longer lifetimes compared to LIBs. However, they are susceptible to the formation of dendrites - or, tree-like metallic structures on the anode - which form during charging and can cause short circuits. Solid electrolytes are prone to cracking under mechanical stress, both in manufacturing and use. Like anode-free batteries and other cutting edge battery tech, SSBs have a long way to go in terms of scalability, but show promise in the future of battery development.

    Dr. Meng’s Take

    Dr. Meng emphasizes that Sodium-ion battery technology is not new - research began back in the 1960s, but was outpaced by lithium-ion research, which at the time showed better results. Additionally, sodium batteries aren’t necessarily a replacement for lithium batteries, but rather a complementary technology that many companies will be able to produce without much capital investment. With the combination of these battery technologies, there is potential to moderate the cost of electricity at peak use times. Dr. Meng predicts that sodium-ion batteries may be able to compete with lithium-ion and lead-acid batteries in the next five years, and suggests that until then, costly but compact lithium batteries might be used in mobile applications, like computers, while sodium batteries - which for now are heavier - can be used for stationary purposes, like grid storage. Overall, she feels that it's “critical that all of us… stop temperature rise” - and sodium-ion batteries are a key step in the plan.

    About our guest

    Dr. Shirley Meng is the Liew Family Professor in Molecular Engineering at the Pritzker School of Molecular Engineering at the University of Chicago. She is also the Distinguished University Professor and Vice President (Industry) at Nanyang Technological University (NTU), Singapore. She directs the Energy Storage Research Alliance and is the principal investigator of the Laboratory for Energy Storage and Conversion (LESC) at UCSD. Her research focuses primarily on energy storage materials and systems – including rechargeable batteries and grid-scale storage for renewable energy.

    Resources

    UChicago, Team Develops Battery

    Nature Energy, Design principles for enabling an anode-free sodium all-solid-state battery

    LESC, Recent news

    Physics Today, Solid State Batteries - Hype, Hopes, and Hurdles

    Chemical Review, Anode-Free Batteries

    For a transcript of this episode, visit https://climatebreak.org/the-future-of-battery-storage-with-dr-shirley-meng/
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