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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

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  • It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

    Fanzines Part One: The Punk Spirit of Football's Alternative Press (with Daniel Gray)

    27/10/2026 | 55 mins.
    Rob and Jonathan begin a two-part series on football fanzines with Daniel Gray, editor of Nutmeg, host of the When Saturday Comes podcast and author of the new book Fanzine: The Story of Football's Alternative Press.

    They each share how they got started: Rob with QPR's A Kick Up the Arse, Jonathan with Sunderland's A Love Supreme and Daniel with Middlesbrough's Fly Me to the Moon. They explore how DIY, punk-influenced magazines gave a voice to supporters who were demonised in the 1980s.
    They look at how national titles like When Saturday Comes and Off the Ball, the Football Supporters' Association and London's Sports Pages bookshop built a sense of unity among fans. There are tales of lawsuits, angry chairmen, Brian Clough storming into a newsagent and Jonathan's run-in with the police at Southend. Finally, they reflect on how fanzines launched countless writing careers, including their own.

    01:59 What Is a Fanzine?
    04:04 Our First Fanzines
    11:01 Giving Demonised Fans a Voice
    12:57 A Million Copies Sold
    16:47 Terrace Talk Begins in York
    19:22 Police, Bans and Free Speech
    22:53 Bradford and The City Gent
    25:51 Foreshadowing Hillsborough
    29:12 When Saturday Comes
    32:10 Early Pioneers: The Shamrock and Foul
    41:19 National Fanzines Unite Fans
    43:04 Sports Pages
    45:52 Arrested at Southend
    48:23 Lawsuits and Angry Chairmen
    50:54 A Launchpad for Writers
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    Arsène Wenger Part 4: Arsenal's 1998 Double, French Football’s Rise, and Changing English Football

    20/10/2026 | 57 mins.
    Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper conclude their series on Arsène Wenger’s arrival in English football by focusing on his first full season at Arsenal (1997-98), when early doubts, draws, and a UEFA Cup exit gave way to a transformative run to the league and FA Cup double. They discuss how Wenger blended George Graham’s defensive core with signings like Petit and Overmars, and how his pioneering approach to nutrition, recovery, psychology, and scouting created a decisive late-season fitness edge—highlighted by the 1-0 win at Old Trafford that ignited a near-flawless finish. The episode relives the title-clinching 4-0 over Everton capped by Tony Adams’ iconic goal, reflects on Gary Neville’s view of the ’98 side as Arsenal’s toughest, and argues Wenger’s broader legacy in accelerating sports science, data, recruitment, and acceptance of foreign managers in the Premier League.

    00:00 Wenger’s Defining Year
    00:25 Setting the 97-98 Focus
    02:14 New Signings Take Shape
    03:28 Sizing Up the Rivals
    05:48 Pints and Culture Clash
    07:04 Sports Science Revolution
    08:34 Psychology and Red to Blue
    12:17 Scouting and Club Foundations
    15:55 France Ascendant and Clairefontaine
    19:28 Family Life and Early Stumbles
    24:42 Neville on the 98 Arsenal
    26:48 Bergkamp Magic and the Unbeaten Run
    28:11 Relentless Run In
    30:08 Old Trafford Turning Point
    34:36 Title Clincher Everton
    35:29 Adams and Bould Magic
    38:40 Wenger Emotion Legacy
    40:55 Cup Final Newcastle
    45:05 World Cup Echoes
    46:12 Changing English Football
    51:27 Foreign Manager Boom
    55:08 Wrap Up and Thanks
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    Arsène Wenger Part 3: Dein’s Dinner Party, Japan, and the ‘Arsène Who?’ Arrival

    13/10/2026 | 55 mins.
    Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue their Arsène Wenger series by tracing how David Dein first bonded with Wenger—via an improvised London dinner party and charades—before maintaining contact through Monaco, Antibes meetings, and mailed Arsenal VHS tapes and faxes. They cover Wenger’s post-Monaco move to Nagoya Grampus Eight, early struggles and a key interpreter change, then a turnaround to major success, which Wenger credits for reshaping his coaching and lifestyle ideas. The episode explains how Arsenal’s board eventually traveled to Japan in 1996 to recruit him amid post-Rioch chaos, public skepticism (“Arsène Who?”), and a club culture marked by drinking and addiction revelations. They discuss early dietary and training changes, Wenger retaining the famed back line, and his first signings—Vieira, Garde, and Anelka—plus the November 1996 rumour storm and Arsenal’s strong finish that set up the 1997-98 squad.
    00:00 Charades With Wenger
    00:34 Podcast Setup And Mystery Match
    02:40 Arsenal As Gentlemen Club
    05:09 Dinner Party First Impression
    10:29 Arsene For Arsenal Premonition
    11:35 Dein Keeps In Touch
    15:05 Bayern Offer And Sacking
    17:05 Japan Move And Early Struggles
    20:23 Interpreter Switch Turning Point
    23:27 Nagoya Success And Lessons
    25:18 Secret Japan Courtship
    26:20 Rioch Sacked Chaos
    28:05 Arsene Who Backlash
    33:09 Dressing Room Crisis
    36:31 Broccoli Diet Revolution
    41:42 Vieira Proves Them Wrong
    43:32 Rumors Tabloid Mob
    48:12 Anelka Arrival Momentum
    51:22 Cool Britannia Parallels
    55:05 Wrap Up Next Episode
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    Arsène Wenger Part 2: Cannes, Nancy and Monaco; ‘Invisible Training’ and a Title

    06/10/2026 | 52 mins.
    Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue their Arsène Wenger series by tracing his leap from youth coaching at Strasbourg to assistant work under Jean-Marc Guillet at Cannes, where his scouting and relentless workload stood out, before taking his first major job at Nancy with Aldo Platini as director. They discuss Wenger’s early innovations—psychologists, stretching, diet, massage and “invisible training”—and his severity, detail-obsession and frugality, alongside the loneliness and intensity he describes after defeats. Despite Nancy’s limited means and eventual relegation, Wenger earned the Monaco job in 1987, where the glamorous setting contrasted with his ascetic focus. With signings like Glenn Hoddle and Mark Hateley, he introduced advanced recovery and professionalism, won Ligue 1 in 1988, and later built teams featuring Claude Puel, while developing talents such as George Weah, Lilian Thuram and Emmanuel Petit, amid disillusionment about French football’s corruption.

    00:00 Hoddle Meets Modern Training
    00:47 Wenger Series Returns
    01:37 Cannes Assistant Breakthrough
    02:50 Motorway Scouting Story
    04:08 Workaholic Coaching Routine
    05:27 First Team Taste of Power
    06:37 Nancy Job and Platini Link
    08:03 Invisible Training Revolution
    12:21 Youth Development and Frugality
    15:09 Severity and Dark Obsession
    19:49 Monaco Move and Glamour
    23:23 Royals and Monaco Memories
    25:46 Why Hoddle and Hateley Fit
    26:54 Hateley Meets Wenger
    27:46 Hoddle Hijacked From PSG
    30:17 Training Revolution In Monaco
    33:28 Beer Smoking And Culture Clash
    34:46 Tactics And Touchline Temper
    38:00 Monaco Glory And Marseille Shadow
    43:17 Annie And Private Life
    44:48 Weah Thuram Petit Talent Spotting
    49:03 Highbury Encounter With Dein
    52:31 Next Episode And Wrap
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    Arsene Wenger Part 1: Alsace Roots, Obsession & The First Break

    29/09/2026 | 52 mins.
    Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper begin a four-part series marking 30 years since Arsène Wenger’s arrival at Arsenal, framing him—alongside David Dein—as a key catalyst for the Premier League’s shift toward foreign managers, multicultural squads, and modern nutrition and sports science. They trace Wenger’s roots in rural, war-scarred Alsace on the French-German border: his parents’ hard-working life, his father’s forced Nazi conscription, the Catholic village culture, and Wenger’s intense, self-aware obsession with football. The episode explores how he learned the game through unsupervised street football and bistro conversations, a serious illness at 14, and his desire to escape village life. Wenger’s breakthrough came at 19 after being spotted in a heavy defeat and joining Mutzig, leading to university studies in Strasbourg, a stint learning English in Cambridge, a squad role in Strasbourg’s 1979 title win, and an early move into coaching—already using a psychiatrist with youth players.

    00:00 Wenger Obsession Intro
    01:23 Why Wenger Changed England
    03:41 Alsace War Shadow
    07:30 Village Roots and Work Ethic
    10:49 French Football Culture Explained
    16:18 Street Football and Brother Guy
    18:59 Faith Philosophy and Le Professor
    24:32 Illness Growth and Escape
    27:19 Bistro Lessons La Croix d'Or
    28:53 Wine and Bistro Roots
    29:37 Bar Talk and Escape
    30:09 Football Dreams in Dittlingen
    33:00 Mutzig Breakthrough
    34:13 Max Hild Mentor
    36:44 Dancing and Philosophy
    39:55 University and Class Divide
    42:10 Strasbourg Squad Years
    43:29 Cambridge English Leap
    46:47 Coaching Begins at Strasbourg
    47:31 Total Football Influences
    50:11 Holistic Coaching Mindset
    51:30 Wrap Up and Next Episode
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About It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast
Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.Join us at Football University!If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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