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It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

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  • It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

    The American Dream: Pelé, Cosmos + Rise & Fall of NASL | Part Three

    13/1/2026 | 1h 6 mins.

    Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. In this third episode of our four-part special on the North American Soccer League (NASL), co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper dive deep into the transformation kicked off by the arrival of legendary soccer star Pele. We go on an epic journey of the NASL, from shambolic beginnings to becoming one of the most iconic and influential leagues in world football, even if just for a short while. We explore how the NASL went from drawing crowds, to attracting the highest-paid player in the world, and the ensuing excitement and challenges that followed. Featuring the key moments, star players, innovative marketing strategies, and the initial signs of financial instability, this episode captures the league at its highest just before its inevitable decline. Don't miss this fascinating look at the peaks of NASL's history and what ultimately led the league to stumble. Tune in next week for the final episode of this four-part series. 02:33 The Growth of Soccer in American Schools and Colleges03:32 Financial Struggles and the Arrival of Pele13:54 Innovative Rule Changes and Attendance Issues18:11 The Role of Media and Celebrity Influence23:55 The NASL's Expansion and Financial Commitments31:20 The Pursuit of Soccer Superstars33:01 Pele's Impact on American Soccer34:56 The Rise of NASL Franchises36:59 Challenges and Financial Struggles39:11 Marketing Gimmicks and Celebrity Players55:03 The Golden Year of 197701:04:36 Pele's Farewell and Future Uncertainties Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Recommended Replay: When Amorim Arrived at Man United And The Busby-Ferguson Curse

    07/1/2026 | 59 mins.

    Following the sacking of Ruben Amorim by Manchester United, here is a recommended replay from our episode released in November 2024, when Amorim first arrived at Manchester United. Jonathan and Rob discuss the clubs persistent challenge in finding a manager capable of replicating the legacy left by its legendary figures - something that still stands today... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The American Dream: Pelé, Cosmos + Rise & Fall of NASL | Part Two

    06/1/2026 | 1h 1 mins.

    Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper continue onto part two of a four-part special on the North American Soccer League (NASL). They discuss the initial attempts to establish professional soccer leagues in America, including the rivalries between the NASL and the National Professional Soccer League (NPSL). The episode covers the impact of foreign teams, the financial and logistical hurdles, and the ongoing struggle to gain popularity and acceptance in the U.S. market. With input from past experiences and key figures, they provide an in-depth look at why American soccer faced numerous setbacks and what was done to overcome them. Join us next week for part three!01:09 The Early Years of Soccer in the USA01:34 The Impact of the Wall Street Crash06:46 Post-War Challenges09:43 The Decline of American Soccer in the 1950s21:46 The 1960s: A Decade of Missed Opportunities27:15 The Birth of the NASL33:25 Lack of American Players in Early Leagues34:55 Rival Leagues: NPSL vs NASL35:42 Initial Matches and Attendance Issues40:11 Discipline Problems and Game Abandonments48:10 Financial Struggles and Legal Battles49:13 National Team Struggles and Attempts at Growth50:31 Foreign Influence and Pre-season Tours54:48 Financial Instability and League Contraction58:20 NASL's Unconventional Season Format01:00:32 Legacy and Future Prospects of NASL Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  • It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

    New Years Day Special Episode

    01/1/2026 | 47 mins.

    Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. Today, co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper bring you a New Years Day Special Episode. We hope you enjoy and wish you all a Happy New Year! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    The American Dream: Pelé, Cosmos + Rise & Fall of NASL | Part One

    30/12/2025 | 1h

    Welcome to It Was What It Was, the football history podcast. This week co-hosts Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper are joined by a special guest and former footballer Dennis Tueart. In this first episode of our four-part special on the North American Soccer League (NASL), Dennis, known for his iconic moments with Sunderland and Manchester City, shares his remarkable journey from English football to the booming NASL in the 1970s. Discover his experiences with the New York Cosmos, playing alongside legends like Franz Beckenbauer, replacing Pele, navigating cultural shifts, and understanding the challenges and triumphs that shaped the future of soccer in America. Don't miss this deep dive into football history, glamour, and the evolution of the beautiful game in the United States.00:57 Dennis Tueart's Transfer to the Cosmos02:05 Challenges and Decisions04:19 Arrival and Initial Impressions07:15 Experiences and Reflections11:38 Life in the NASL17:18 Training and Facilities18:58 Pre-season and Early Challenges25:14 The NASL's Unique Rules29:55 Challenges and Triumphs in the NASL30:25 Play-off Performances and Nicknames30:59 Intense Matches and Injuries31:36 The Semi-final Comeback36:27 Winning the Conference Final37:40 Facing Rodney Marsh and Tampa Bay42:51 Touring and Transitioning46:53 Final Reflections and Legacy Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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About It Was What It Was : The Football History Podcast

Welcome to The Overlap's football history podcast, It Was What It Was.Each week Jonathan Wilson and Rob Draper will be talking about the key episodes in football history that have shaped the footballing world.The show will be discussing the best stories from football's past, giving insights to the personalities involved. the tales from behind the scenes and the impact they left.Join us at Football University!If you enjoy the podcast please hit subscribe to never miss an episode. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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