TellyCast: The content industry podcast

Rob Rawlings spent 25 years in premium factual TV before co-founding Full Slate Media, a production studio and boutique agency working with creators, brands and digital publishers across YouTube, Instagram and TikTok. His recent LinkedIn post asked whether UK indies have lost their nerve, and he joins Justin Crosby to make the case.
They discuss why the old commission-and-sell model is shrinking year on year, why so much post-Edinburgh talk about YouTube has not turned into investment, and how indies can use development budgets, existing shoots and in-house editors to build audiences and IP of their own. Rob also explains why creators now refer to TV as "legacy media", and why trained TV storytellers are better placed than most to succeed on YouTube.
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Our interview with former Top Gear boss Andy Wilman has passed 200,000 views on YouTube and around 400,000 elsewhere. Justin Crosby asks YouTube strategist Seb Losardo, who has helped grow John Nellis's channel from 600,000 to 16 million subscribers, to explain why, and how to repeat it.
Seb explains how to find outlier guests, why an AI-generated thumbnail beat our usual design in an A/B test, and why he tells creators not to be led by their most vocal fans. He sets out his 40/30/30 rule for dividing effort between packaging, the intro and the rest of the video, an approach that turns traditional TV workflow on its head.
The conversation also covers why preamble costs viewers, how gaps between sections cause audiences to drop off, how YouTube editing differs from TV, and why brands spending heavily on talent still end up with videos nobody watches.
Seb will be speaking at the Digital Content Forum on 5 November at BFI Southbank.
TellyCast is produced by Spirit Studios and recorded in London.
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Victor Bengtsson runs production at Sidemen Entertainment. In this episode, recorded at the TellyCast Digital Content Forum 2025, he explains how the company built Inside, a Big Brother-style format developed with no TV experience and no format experts in the room, and turned it into a Netflix number one.
Victor takes us through Sidemen's Core Missions structure, the single-sentence pitch rule that governs every idea, and the decision to test Inside on a second YouTube channel before committing serious money. He explains why the company deliberately avoids hiring format specialists at the ideation stage, how a 30-day pre-production sprint led to 55 million views in ten days, and what happened when Netflix came calling. The conversation also covers the tension between YouTube instinct and traditional TV development, and why Victor believes reintroducing fun to the commissioning process is the industry's biggest missed opportunity.
This is a candid look at how a digital-first creator business out-developed the TV industry at its own game.
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Jungle Creations built an audience of 145 million followers across a portfolio of social-first media brands. The harder question, and the one Siobhan McDade has spent the past few years answering, is what you do with that audience once the platforms stop paying for it.
Siobhan is Chief Publishing Officer at Jungle Creations, the London business behind Twisted, VT, Four Nine, Level Fitness and, most recently, Sporf. She joins Justin Crosby to explain how the company reduced its dependence on platform revenue, why publishing revenue grew 32% year on year, and how a viral PepsiCo recipe video turned into a retail product that has sold more than a million units.
The conversation covers the strategy Jungle calls URL to IRL: Twisted now operates more than 130 delivery-only restaurants, a cookbook, supermarket ranges and pop-ups, and the new Twisted Labs division has formalised the route from social hit to physical product. McDade argues that the threshold for taking a brand into the real world has nothing to do with follower count and everything to do with the depth of the community behind it.
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This week Justin Crosby is joined by Andy Wilman, the producer behind Top Gear, The Grand Tour and Clarkson's Farm, for a conversation about handing the format to a new generation.
The Grand Tour returns to Prime Video on 4 September with a presenting trio built from digital-first talent: Thomas Holland and James Engelsman of the YouTube channel Throttle House, and trainspotter and qualified mechanical engineer Francis Bourgeois. Wilman talks through the casting logic that ruled out famous faces, the mechanics of testing on-screen chemistry before a series is greenlit, and why he believes the format's biggest moments were never planned, only discovered.
He also reflects candidly on the show's origins as a rushed response to a punishing Amazon contract, the eye-watering costs behind its biggest stunts, and why he now sits as a consultant rather than the hands-on producer he was for two decades. The conversation closes with a look at Clarkson's Farm's demanding edit process, and a wider question for the industry: would Top Gear have worked as a YouTube-native show, or did it need the BBC to kick against?
Plus this week's Story of the Week, Hero of the Week, and Get in the Bin.
00:00 Introduction and welcome
01:00 Casting the new presenting trio
06:00 Why chemistry with the audience can't be faked
17:00 The chaotic origins of The Grand Tour format
22:00 Wilman's role as consultant, not "brains behind"
35:00 Budgets, crew growth and the cost of the format's biggest stunts
37:00 Clarkson's Farm and why its edit is harder than The Grand Tour's
48:00 Would Top Gear have worked as a YouTube show?
54:00 Story of the Week, Hero of the Week, Get in the Bin
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