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What if the key to working with reptiles isn’t control… but trust?In this episode, I sit down with Nick Campbell to break down a completely different approach to reptile keeping—one built on trust, confidence, and curiosity rather than force or compliance.Nick shares his journey back into the reptile world after years away, starting with an emerald tree boa and quickly expanding into more advanced species like green tree monitors. From there, the conversation dives deep into how he approaches building trust with even the most nervous animals.We explore his unique “backwards design” method—starting interactions outside the enclosure to establish safety before ever attempting handling—and why this mindset shift can completely change your relationship with your animals.We also get into:How to work with high-strung species like monitor lizardsThe importance of water systems and enclosure designCreative enrichment strategies (including outdoor “catio” setups)Nail care, lighting, and environmental controlWhy patience and observation are the most underrated tools in reptile keepingIf you’ve ever struggled with a defensive reptile—or want to take your husbandry and interaction to the next level—this episode will challenge the way you think about handling and care.SHOW NOTES: https://www.animalsathomenetwork.com/250-lizard-lounge/SPONSORS: Visit Zoo Med Labs here: https://zoomed.com/JOIN US ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/animalsathomeLINKS FROM THE EPISODE:https://www.instagram.com/lizardloungecrew/https://www.facebook.com/stevediamondelementsPhotos and Video in Episode:https://www.instagram.com/lizardloungecrew/00:00 – Intro: Why Your Reptile Doesn’t Trust You
02:46 – Meet Nick Campbell (Lizard Lounge)
03:30 – Reptile Keeping in the 90s
08:12 – Leaving the Hobby & Career Shift
12:51 – Human Behavior → Reptile Behavior
14:17 – The Framework: Trust → Confidence → Curiosity
21:54 – Returning to Reptiles (Emerald Tree Boa)
27:25 – What “Trust” Really Means
33:32 – Step-by-Step Trust Building (Tree Monitor Example)
44:38 – Why Food Reward Isn't Enough, Other Better Tools
52:21 – Applying This to Snakes (Retic Example)
56:18 – Signs of a Comfortable Reptile
1:08:52 Enrichment (In & Out of the Enclosure)
1:14:09 – Keeping Large Monitors Properly
1:16:28 – Water & Waste Management
1:23:44 – Nail Maintenance (Critical Tip)
1:29:07 – Final Advice
1:30:51 – Outro

In this solo episode, I dive into two topics that constantly spark debate in the reptile community:👉 Do you actually have the right to own reptiles?👉 And when does collecting animals cross the line into hoarding?We explore the idea of reptile ownership through the lens of public safety, personal responsibility, and what it means to be part of a structured society. If you benefit from living in a community, do you also have to accept the rules that come with it?Then we shift into the concept of “collecting” reptiles—a term that often gets criticized. Is collecting really a bad thing, or is it just human nature? And more importantly… how do you know when a collection becomes something unhealthy?This episode is all about challenging assumptions, defining ethical boundaries, and giving you tools to reflect on your own role as a keeper.Let me know your thoughts in the comments 👇🎧 Listen to more episodes:Animal Control Officer Perspective w/ Brendan Hettinger: https://youtu.be/lVbbC_v4juIZookeeping: https://youtu.be/BgYyK81g7FUThe Dark Side of the Oddities Market: https://youtu.be/Oii0Mf_vjlgCrested Gecko Habitat Deep Dive: https://youtu.be/3kD0Wjzyl7wReptile Heating & Enclosure Size Explained: https://youtu.be/ZgJJ_MiFSnsSHOW NOTES: https://www.animalsathomenetwork.com/249-dillon-perron/JOIN US ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/animalsathome00:00 – Intro & Episode Overview00:40 – Why This Is a Solo Episode01:57 – Stepping Away From Social Media04:37 – Do You Have the “Right” to Own Reptiles?11:20 – The Idea of “Collecting” Reptiles17:50 – The “Buying High”, Hedonic Cycle & Hoarding26:35 – Recent Episodes Recap34:10 – Upcoming Episode Tease (Lizard Lounge)

In this episode, I’m joined by Brendan Hettinger, an animal protection officer who has seen the worst cases of reptile keeping firsthand. We break down the dark reality behind reptile rescues, hoarding situations, and how well-intentioned keepers can unintentionally cause serious harm.We also discuss what animal control actually sees, why bad cases shape legislation, and what responsible keepers can do to protect the future of the hobby.⚠️ This episode contains some disturbing content.SHOW NOTES: https://www.animalsathomenetwork.com/248-brendan-hettinger/SPONSORS: Visit The BioDude: https://www.thebiodude.com/ Visit Zoo Med Labs here: https://zoomed.com/JOIN US ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/animalsathomeLINKS FROM THE EPISODE:https://kdvr.com/news/local/114-cats-rescued-some-found-dead-in-arvada-home-owners-face-cruelty-charges/https://www.instagram.com/brendan_hettinger/Photos and Video in Episode:https://www.instagram.com/brendan_hettinger/00:00 – Introduction & warning01:10 – What this episode is about02:05 – Meet Brendan Hettinger04:10 – Early passion for reptiles & zoo experience08:30 – Becoming an animal protection officer12:10 – What animal control actually does (disease, euthanasia, etc.)16:20 – Fear of dogs vs reptiles19:30 – Cat hoarding case (100+ cats, biohazard conditions)25:00 – Psychology behind hoarding29:10 – How reptile keepers are perceived by law enforcement33:00 – Reptile neglect cases (bearded dragons, sliders, etc.)36:40 – Why reptile rescues often fail41:20 – Reptile hoarding case walkthrough (the “rescue”)47:00 – Why bad cases drive legislation51:00 – The problem with “rescuing” animals you can’t afford55:10 – Should reptiles be regulated more?59:30 – Breeding, oversupply, and future laws1:05:00 – Can the reptile hobby fix itself?1:09:30 – Ethical takeaways for keepers1:13:00 – Brendan’s personal collection1:16:30 – Long-term responsibility & animal lifespan1:19:00 – Final thoughts

In this episode, Dillon interviewed Malthe, a 24-year-old Danish zookeeper who shared his journey into zookeeping and his current role at a zoo in Hanning. Malthe discussed his education and training as a zookeeper in Denmark, which involves a combination of school and practical work experience. He described his daily responsibilities, which include cleaning enclosures, preparing animal diets, and conducting enrichment activities. Malthe also shared insights into the challenges of zookeeping, such as dealing with animal deaths and stimulating natural behaviors in captivity. He compared zookeeping practices in Denmark and North America, noting differences in how animals are displayed for visitors. The conversation covered topics such as communal enclosures, the strength and intelligence of various animals, and the importance of proper animal care. Malthe emphasized the physical demands of the job and the need for zookeepers to be prepared for the realities of working with animals in a zoo setting.
SHOW NOTES: https://www.animalsathomenetwork.com/247-zookeeping/SPONSORS: Visit The BioDude: https://www.thebiodude.com/ Visit Zoo Med Labs here: https://zoomed.com/JOIN US ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/animalsathomeLINKS FROM THE EPISODE:https://www.instagram.com/malthe.12/Photos and Video in Episode:Provided by Malthe
0:00 Coming Up
00:44 Introduction
3:17 Welcome Malthe
8:52 How to become a zookeeper in Denmark?
12:06 How many zoos are in Denmark?
15:11 What reptiles do you keep at home?
17:42 Did keeping animals privately influence you?
21:02 Zookeeping courses & training
26:12 How to provide enrichment to zoo animals (Giraffes)
34:45 Zoo Med Creatures Roly Poly Kit
35:56 No days off at the zoo & latch anxiety
36:38 How much money do zookeepers make? Worst thing about zookeeping
39:22 Recording keeping
40:47 Flagship species at the zoo?
42:49 What can private keepers learn from zookeepers?
44:10 BioDude Terra Fauna & Bug Grub
45:11 Co-habbing species
47:45 What can zookeepers learn from private keepers?
49:22 What you need to know before becoming a zookeeper
51:00 Dealing with the death of an animal
52:53 How to simulate hunting for lions?
55:32 Animals at Home Merch & Patreon
56:42 Monkeys causing problems
58:49 No contact rule - dangerous giraffes
1:01:19 North America vs Europe Zookeeping
1:05:28 Winter vs Summer Zoo operation
1:07:04 Advice for future zookeepers
1:09:25 Closing Thoughts

A short story about a special reptile.