The Bandwich Tapes

In this episode, I sit down with percussionist Doug Perkins for a wide-ranging conversation that starts with a few personal connections and quickly opens up into a bigger discussion about music, teaching, and the kind of “improbable events” that can change a person’s life. Doug and I talk about our shared link through LSU and Brett Dietz, and Doug tells the story of how he learned bass guitar in the eighth grade to get into a jazz band, which led to rehearsals at home, a punk band with Brett called The Septic Creptics, and a deep early education in groove, feel, and listening. We dig into the teachers who shaped Doug’s path, especially Jack DiIanni, and why fundamentals, sound, and real-life performing situations became such a foundation for everything that came next.Doug shares how his background in drum set and bass informs the way he plays and teaches, especially when it comes to music like Steve Reich, where micro-groove, ensemble feel, and knowing your role inside the bigger texture are everything. We also talk about how students learn now, how algorithm-driven listening can shrink context, and why so many young musicians feel pressure to avoid mistakes when everything can feel like a permanent record. Doug explains how he actively teaches context, lineage, and listening, and why basic production skills matter more than ever, including signal flow, microphones, sound reinforcement, and the simple confidence that comes from knowing how to set up a PA or wrap a cable correctly.From there, Doug takes us into his world at the University of Michigan, where he helps lead a large percussion studio with a faculty team that spans orchestral playing, contemporary music, improvisation, and drum set. We talk about the balance between performing and teaching, and how parenting an 18-year-old college student has changed the way he supports first-year undergrads. Doug also tells the story of his long relationship with composer John Luther Adams, including how a formative early experience with Strange and Sacred Noise eventually led to performances in the Alaskan tundra, floating stages in Central Park, and outdoor concerts where the audience hikes in and the environment becomes part of the piece. We wrap up with what’s ahead for Doug, including significant projects, collaborations, performances, and the ongoing joy of bringing students into real work that proves their “crazy ideas” can matter in the world.Music from the Episode:Nagoya Marimbas (Steve Reich, composer - Todd Meehan & Doug Perkins, marimbas)XY (Michael Gordon, composer - Doug Perkins, percussion)Strange and Sacred Noise (John Luther Adams, composer - Morris Palter, Rob Esler, Steven Schick, & Doug Perkins - percussion)Thank you for listening. If you have questions, feedback, or ideas for the show, please email me at [email protected].

In this episode, I sit down with bassist Jeff Picker to talk about the winding road from jazz to roots music, and how his time with Ricky Skaggs became a real-world education in feel, note choice, and serving the song. Jeff shares how he went from New York to Nashville, how that Skaggs connection opened doors at the Opry, and why bluegrass bass is simple in concept but not easy in execution.We also dig into electric country bass and the influence of players like Joe Osborn, including what it means to think about voice leading, “flop” bass, and why subtle choices can be the difference between good and great. Jeff explains how he approaches being a hired gun, adapting to different bands, and why your individuality comes through without forcing it.Finally, Jeff walks me through his solo records, what pushed him to start writing, how the first project gained traction on SiriusXM, and what it was like working with Victor Krauss as a co-producer. We wrap by talking about sessions, life as a working musician in Nashville, the Opry staff band, and the reality of raising a puppy while keeping your calendar full.To learn more about Jeff, visit his website.Music from the Episode:The Winds of Spring (Jeff Picker)Ricky's Run (Jeff Picker)Night Terrors (Jeff Picker)The Unfinished Path (Jeff Picker)Thank you for listening. If you have questions, feedback, or ideas for the show, please email me at [email protected].

In this episode of The Bandwich Tapes, I reconnect with conductor and educator Aaron Kula, who shaped my summers in the Chautauqua Youth Orchestra at the Chautauqua Institution in New York in 1994 and 1995. We talk about what it means to trust young musicians with major repertoire, including the time we took on Stravinsky’s The Rite of Spring, and what that experience taught me about preparation, accountability, and confidence. Aaron shares his philosophy for building ensemble culture: learning every student’s name, holding individuals responsible while serving the collective, and making the rehearsal process both rigorous and engaging. We dig into how his multi-genre musical life, from classical training to folk and ethnic traditions, and his deep connection to Jewish music, shaped the way he hears rhythm, style, and culture inside the orchestra. Aaron also explains how conducting changes when moving from the concert stage to ballet, how tempo becomes a real-time collaboration with dancers, and why a conductor has to know when to lead, when to release, and when to stay out of the players’ way. This conversation is equal parts music, mentorship, and reflection, and a reminder that the seeds teachers plant can continue to grow for decades. I’m grateful for the chance to say thank you, and for the lessons from those summers that still guide how I work with students and teams today.To learn more about Aaron, visit his website. Thank you for listening. If you have questions, feedback, or ideas for the show, please email me at [email protected].

In this episode, I talk with legendary timpanist, educator, and musical pioneer Jonathan Haas. Jonathan’s journey weaves together St. Louis, Chicago, New York, Juilliard, Frank Zappa, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Philip Glass, and a powerful new project responding to the world we live in today.Jonathan tells the story of how a newspaper clipping from his mom led him to Washington University, where he studied with Rich O’Donnell, John Kasica, Tom Stubbs, and Rick Holmes—often taking four private lessons a week while subbing with the St. Louis Symphony.From there, he describes:Heading to Juilliard to study with Saul GoodmanSubbing with the New York PhilharmonicAuditioning for and touring with Emerson, Lake & Palmer (including opening Bolero in front of 50,000 people at Soldier Field!)A 20-year relationship and collaboration with Frank Zappa, sparked by a handwritten letterThe long road to commissioning the Philip Glass Double Timpani Concerto and why it had to become a double concertoHis work at NYU, including powerful new pieces by Lenny White and Tim Adams, connected to Black Lives Matter and the murder of George FloydJonathan is a phenomenal storyteller, and the combination of history, humor, honesty, and perspective makes this one of the most compelling conversations I’ve had.Thank you for listening. If you have questions, feedback, or ideas for the show, please email me at [email protected].

In this episode, I sit down with bassist, producer, educator, and longtime Bacon Brothers collaborator Paul Guzzone. Paul and I first met backstage in Atlanta years ago when my band opened for the Bacon Brothers, and we bonded instantly over Aguilar rigs and the first U-Bass I had ever played.What starts as a fun reconnection becomes a deep exploration of Paul’s multifaceted life in music. We talk about his early years with Tom Rush, his decades-long collaboration with Kevin and Michael Bacon, his extensive composing and jingle work, and his long career teaching Rock and Contemporary Culture at Pace University.Paul’s warmth, humor, and decades of perspective make this a truly special conversation.To learn more about Paul, visit his website. Music from the Episode:Dance While I Can (Paul Guzzone)South of the Coconut Line (Paul Guzzone)All I Ever Wanted to Do (Paul Guzzone)Extra Innings (Paul Guzzone)Thank you for listening. If you have questions, feedback, or ideas for the show, please email me at [email protected].