The Bandwich Tapes

In this episode, I sit down with drummer Kim Trammell for an honest, wide-ranging conversation about groove, identity, longevity, and finding your way back to joy in music. Kim is an intensely musical player whose feel, touch, and sound are unmistakable, and this conversation traces her path from early classical training to decades of professional drumming in Memphis and beyond. We talk about how her background in piano and orchestral percussion shaped her approach to the drum set, why timpani was such a formative instrument for her, and how classical technique translated naturally into tone, touch, and control on the kit.

Kim shares her early musical story, starting with Suzuki piano at a young age, followed by rudimental snare drum training and a strong classical percussion education at the University of Memphis. She explains how she never took formal drum set lessons, instead transferring everything she learned in orchestral percussion into real-world playing situations. We talk about the importance of sound production, the influence of Fred Hinger’s timpani approach, and why understanding how to pull sound from an instrument matters more than simply hitting it.

A significant chapter of the conversation centers on Kim’s years playing professionally in Memphis, including formative experiences on Beale Street and a pivotal five-year house gig at a casino in Tunica, Mississippi. Kim describes playing eight hours a day across constantly changing genres, learning how to truly listen, and developing pocket by following seasoned musicians who demanded restraint, patience, and deep time feel. She reflects on how those experiences reshaped her sense of groove, taught her how to place notes behind the beat, and forever changed how she hears music.

We also dive into Kim’s decision to step away from full-time performing and pursue a second career as a massage therapist. She speaks candidly about burnout, the physical toll of decades of drumming, and the emotional cost of turning music into a constant source of income. Kim explains how studying body mechanics and healing work transformed her relationship to her own body and helped her rediscover music as a source of joy rather than obligation. We talk about posture, self-care, and why musicians so often neglect their bodies until something breaks.

The conversation turns deeply personal as Kim and I discuss sobriety, presence, and self-forgiveness. Kim shares her long journey of choosing sobriety, recognizing unhealthy patterns, and reclaiming clarity, health, and emotional honesty. We talk about how the music industry can normalize destructive habits, why change is frightening but necessary, and how being fully present is one of the greatest gifts musicians can give themselves and others.

We also explore Kim’s perspective on social media, identity, and self-worth. She reflects on joining Instagram later in life, why she shares music without chasing validation, and the dangers of tying personal value to views, likes, and algorithms. Kim speaks powerfully about separating self-worth from musical ability, encouraging younger musicians to protect their mental health and remember that music is something they do, not who they are.

We close by talking about groove, pocket, bass, and drum relationships, favorite drummers, Memphis’s rich musical legacy, and the importance of honoring the song above all else. This is a thoughtful, vulnerable, and profoundly human conversation about music, healing, and staying connected to what matters most.
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The theme song, "Playcation", was written by Mark Mundy.

In this episode, I sit down with percussionist, composer, and author Russell Hartenberger for a deep and reflective conversation about sound, mentorship, history, and the long arc of a musical life. Russell’s influence on percussion performance, composition, and pedagogy is immeasurable, and this conversation traces the remarkable path that led him from a childhood in Oklahoma to the center of some of the most important musical movements of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries.

We begin with Russell’s early years studying percussion with Alan Abel in Oklahoma City and how that formative mentorship shaped his relationship to sound, mechanics, and musical discipline. Russell shares stories about studying at the Curtis Institute of Music with Fred Hinger, including the now legendary focus on sound production and timpani tone that defined his approach to every percussion instrument. We talk about why timpani study is foundational for all percussionists and how concepts of weight, touch, and resonance translate across the entire percussion family.

Russell reflects on graduating from Curtis during the height of the Vietnam War and on the sudden pivot in his life when an orchestral job offer was withdrawn because of the draft. He recounts his years performing with the United States Air Force Band in Washington, D.C., describing how military band life mirrored many aspects of orchestral performance while also providing structure during a turbulent moment in American history. We discuss the impact of performing military funerals at Arlington National Cemetery, the discipline of daily rehearsals, and how that period ultimately created space for further academic and artistic exploration.

A pivotal chapter of the conversation centers on Russell’s graduate studies at Wesleyan University and his introduction to ethnomusicology and non-Western musical traditions. Russell describes his early studies in African Drumming, tabla, and gamelan, and how these experiences fundamentally reshaped his musical worldview. This path led directly to his introduction to Steve Reich in 1971, where Russell became involved in the creation and early performances of Drumming. He offers a rare, firsthand account of learning Reich’s music by rote, rehearsing as the piece was being written, and discovering the subtle rhythmic feel that would come to define the Reich ensemble’s sound.

We explore the formation of Nexus and how improvisation, global instrument collections, and collaboration shaped the ensemble’s identity. Russell explains how Nexus and Reich’s music intersected, how percussionists became central to rhythmic interpretation, and how early Nexus performances helped introduce Reich’s music to a broader percussion community. He reflects on how later generations of performers have built upon that foundation, adapting the music to new contexts while maintaining its core integrity.

The conversation turns deeply personal as Russell discusses his composition Requiem for Percussion and Voices. He shares the emotional and historical influences behind the work, including military funerals, childhood memories of church bells, and the symbolic role of percussion in mourning rituals. Russell explains how the piece came together organically, how its structure revealed itself through the writing process, and how adding voices expanded the work's emotional resonance.

We close by discussing Russell’s current life in retirement, his ongoing writing and scholarship, and his continued engagement with the percussion community through residencies, performances, and significant publications. Russell reflects on writing about Steve Reich’s performance practice, the evolution of interpretation across generations, and the importance of documenting lived musical experience. This episode is a profound meditation on sound, time, mentorship, and legacy from one of percussion’s most thoughtful and influential voices.
Music from the Episode:
The Desert Music (Steve Reich)
One Last Bar, Then Joe Can Sing (Gavin Bryars)
Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices, and Organ (Steve Reich)
Requiem for Percussion and Voices (Russell Hartenberger)
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In this episode, I sit down with mandolinist, composer, and bandleader Jacob Jolliff for a wide-ranging conversation about curiosity, discipline, and building a musical life that resists easy categorization. Jacob is one of those rare musicians who move fluently between bluegrass, jazz, classical, and experimental music without losing his voice in any of them. We begin by talking about his love of variety, why collaboration continues to drive his schedule, and how he follows genuine musical curiosity rather than a rigid career plan. Jacob reflects on touring, playing weekend runs versus more extended tours, and why he’s motivated to say yes to projects while the travel still feels energizing.

A significant focus of the conversation is Jacob’s upcoming classical recording, a mandolin concerto explicitly written for him by composer Jesse Jones. Jacob walks through how the project came together, from a lifelong friendship that began when he was a child to a reunion nearly two decades later, after Jesse had become one of the most respected contemporary classical composers in the country. We talk about performing the concerto with an orchestra, recording the work, memorizing a demanding five-movement piece, and learning the nuanced skills required to follow a conductor while still maintaining musical agency. Jacob explains how the music successfully bridges contemporary classical language with bluegrass sensibilities without feeling like a caricature of either tradition.

We also dive deep into Jacob’s years at Berklee College of Music and the fertile Boston roots scene that shaped a generation of genre-bending acoustic musicians. Jacob reflects on studying with John McGann, the early days of what would later become Berklee’s American Roots program, and coming up alongside players like Alex Hargreaves, Dominick Leslie, Sierra Hull, Julian Lage, Brittany Haas, and others. We talk about why conservatories embracing acoustic and roots instruments have changed the musical landscape and why this moment feels uniquely exciting for mandolin, fiddle, and banjo players.

Jacob shares the origin story of his band, including how his time with Yonder Mountain String Band prepared him to lead a project of his own. We talk about the balance between being a sideman and a bandleader, why the best leaders often have deep experience in both roles, and how empathy grows when you’ve carried responsibility from both sides of the bandstand. Jacob walks through how his lineup evolved, why consistency eventually mattered more than flexibility, and how his current band came together organically around shared priorities and musical trust.

We spend time talking about Jacob’s jazz projects, including his standards recordings and the unusual instrumentation of mandolin, bass clarinet, snare drum, and bass. Jacob explains why learning jazz still feels like learning a second language, how making records can be part of the learning process rather than a final statement, and why exploring multiple genres keeps his playing honest. We also talk about his admiration for musicians who dedicate their lives to a single tradition, even as he continues to thrive as a musical generalist.

We close with a thoughtful discussion about Jacob’s practice routine, discipline, and mindset. He explains why he practices nearly every day, how consistency prevents stagnation, and why regularly confronting technical and musical walls is part of long-term growth. Jacob speaks candidly about the psychological challenges of being a driven musician, the tension between ambition and perspective, and why staying curious ultimately matters more than perfection. It’s an honest, inspiring conversation about craft, patience, and the lifelong pursuit of musical depth.
To learn more about Jacob, visit his website.
Music from the Episode:
Large Garbage Barge (Jacob Jolliff)
Moose the Mooch (Jacob Jolliff)
Sheerson Crosses the Rocky Mountains (Jacob Jolliff)
The Good, The Bad, and the Home-Schooled (Jacob Jolliff)
Stumbling Distance (The 376 Years) (Jacob Jolliff)
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In this episode, I sit down with drummer David Northrup for a deep and wide-ranging conversation about groove, longevity, and serving the song. David has built an incredible career by doing precisely that, whether he’s playing traditional country, blues, soul, or roots-based music. We start by talking about his current work with Joe Nichols, why it’s such a musical and personal fit, and what it means to work for an artist who values authenticity, consistency, and real country music. David shares stories from the road and explains why being a good human is just as important as being a great drummer.

We spend time digging into David’s early musical influences growing up in central New York, where constant exposure to Motown, singer-songwriter records, pop radio, and classic albums shaped his musical instincts. David talks about learning by listening, studying album credits, and developing a deep appreciation for feel and style long before social media or online tutorials existed. He reflects on how that environment taught him to truly listen, absorb, and respect the music rather than chase trends.

David walks through his path to becoming a professional drummer, from starting in school band programs to a pivotal moment when he saw Chuck Mangione perform while in college. That experience helped him realize music was the path he needed to take seriously. We talk about the importance of mentors, including teachers who challenged him when he wasn’t ready and supported him when he was, and how discipline, fundamentals, and humility played a massive role in his development.

We dive deep into David’s years in Nashville, including his first five years building connections, studio work, and eventually landing his long-running gig with Travis Tritt. David explains how Nashville truly is a five-year town, why patience matters, and how preparation and professionalism keep you working once you get the call. We also talk about his deep admiration for drummers like Carlos Vega, Jeff Porcaro, Steve Jordan, Russ Kunkel, and others, and why groove, taste, and feel will always matter more than flash.

A significant highlight of the conversation is David’s time touring with Boz Scaggs. He shares what it was like to step into such an iconic musical legacy, learn to play with conviction at very low volumes, and work alongside world-class musicians night after night. We talk about why playing the room matters, how restraint can be more complicated than power, and why those lessons apply to every drummer at every level.

We also spend time talking about David’s solo record Shapes, including how it came together over many years, the musicians involved, and why recording live, organic performances was central to the album’s sound. David explains his philosophy of making music that’s groove-focused, accessible, and enjoyable for listeners beyond just musicians. We close by discussing teaching, clinics, the importance of shuffle feel, regional time concepts, and the soft skills that help musicians not just get gigs but keep them. It’s an honest, thoughtful conversation packed with wisdom for musicians and music lovers alike.
To learn more about David, visit his website.
Music from the Episode:
All Blues (David Northrup)
Smooth (David Northrup)
Bayou Chicken (David Northrup)
Salty Crackers (David Northrup)
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In this episode, I sit down with singer, songwriter, bassist, and musical innovator Scott Mulvahill for a wide-ranging conversation about curiosity, collaboration, and building creative worlds. We start by talking about Scott’s recent trip to Lafayette, Louisiana, where he performed Paul Simon’s Graceland in a profoundly meaningful way, including sharing the stage with original Zydeco musicians who appeared on the album. Scott explains why Graceland was such a formative record for him as a teenager, how it shaped his love of songwriting, groove, and global musical connections, and why revisiting that music continues to teach him something new every time he performs it.

We talk about Scott’s busy life as a touring musician and collaborator, from solo performances to regional shows, symphonic work with Cody Fry, and juggling multiple projects at once. Scott reflects on saying yes to opportunities, spinning multiple creative plates, and why he’s drawn to work that keeps him challenged rather than comfortable. He shares the story behind his band Slap Dragon, how the group came together organically, and why playing in a band scratches a different creative itch than performing solo. We also explore the balance between solitude and community in music, and how collaboration continues to fuel his artistic growth.

A significant part of the conversation centers on Scott’s experience as a singing bassist. We dig into the technical and musical challenges of singing while playing bass, especially in groove-heavy music, and how performing complex material like Graceland forces constant growth. Scott explains how difficulty, discipline, and repetition sharpen his musicianship and why pushing himself technically ultimately leads to deeper musical freedom.

We also spend time talking about Scott’s years playing with Ricky Skaggs, an experience he describes as musical graduate school. Scott shares what it was like to step into a bluegrass tradition without a drum set, how time feels differently in that genre, and why it took nearly a year to feel comfortable in the band. He reflects on learning directly from masters, developing an intuitive sense of rhythm, and why that experience shaped him as a musician in lasting ways.

Finally, we dive deep into one of Scott’s most ambitious projects, the Database. Scott explains the origin and evolution of this custom-built upright bass with integrated MIDI triggers and sampling, how it works technically, and why it allows him to expand his sonic world without sacrificing creativity or authenticity. We talk about technology as a tool rather than a gimmick, the balance between production and performance, and how the Database has reshaped his approach to songwriting, arrangement, and live shows. It’s a thoughtful, inspiring conversation about experimentation, craftsmanship, and following curiosity wherever it leads.
To learn more about Scott, visit his website.
Music from the Episode:
Begin Againers (Scott Mulvahill)
Fighting for the Wrong Side (Scott Mulvahill)
Survive (Scott Mulvahill)
Thank you for listening. If you have questions, feedback, or ideas for the show, please email me at [email protected].