Conservation and Science

How many wolves is enough? Is that even the right question to ask? And will the recent lowering of wolf protection status in the EU actually reduce the conflict between wolves and people? These are some of the questions we tackle in this episode. After the previous wolf episode generated a lot of feedback, including detailed emails from scientists, one of those scientists is our guest today. Joachim Mergeay is a senior researcher at the Research Institute for Nature and Forest in Belgium, an associate professor of conservation genetics at Leuven University, Flanders, and a member of the IUCN Large Carnivore Initiative for Europe. He reached out after listening to the podcast and I was immediately interested in his deeper perspective on wolf coexistence in Europe.
During our conversation, Joachim makes a compelling case that if we solve the conflict, the number of wolves becomes far less important. He shares practical examples from Belgium where electric fencing, supported by volunteer teams and full subsidies for farmers, has virtually eliminated livestock predation in some wolf territories. We also discuss why shooting wolves, even under the new lowered protection status, is unlikely to meaningfully reduce conflict because the requirement to maintain favourable conservation status leaves very little room for lethal management. Joachim is clear that he is not against hunting in principle but stresses that we need to be honest about the goals behind it.
We also get into the broader picture of rural abandonment, shifting baselines and the urban-rural divide. Joachim challenges the assumption that rural and urban people are worlds apart in their attitudes towards wolves, pointing to research showing the differences are smaller than most of us think. He also offers an optimistic observation about shifting baselines working in the opposite direction for once, with children growing up in countries where wolves are simply part of the landscape. We finish with a look at how European-level policy can work alongside local solutions and what the future might hold for wolf populations across the continent.
Further reading:
Perspectives on wolves after their recolonisation in Flanders, Belgium
Continuing recovery of wolves in Europe
Estimating the Effective Size of European Wolf Populations

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Working in conservation? Take the survey: CONLAB survey
Who are the people doing the actual work of conservation? How many of them are there and what are their working conditions? And whose labour remains invisible in the process? These are not questions that conservation science has spent much time on. Yet without understanding the people behind the work, we lack a complete picture of how conservation functions and who it affects. Today, we take on this largely neglected subject with Dr Anwesha Dutta, principal investigator and project lead of CONLAB (Conservation Labor Project), and Dr Nick Harvey Sky, postdoctoral researcher on the project. Their work sits at the intersection of political ecology and conservation science, and their work is opening up an entirely new line of inquiry.
During our conversation, Anwesha and Nick explain how labour theory can offer important insights into conservation. We discuss the power dynamics between employers and workers, the role of unpaid work, and how race, class and gender shape who gets opportunities in the sector. We also talk about the global survey they are running to capture the big picture of conservation labour worldwide. Nick explains why the survey casts a wide net, seeking responses not just from rangers and biologists but also from IT staff, hotel workers, farmers and anyone whose work supports conservation in some capacity. In fact, one of the aims of the project is to challenge our assumptions about who counts as a conservationist.
We also get into some difficult but necessary territory. Anwesha shares her fieldwork experiences from national parks in India, where a ranger told her that if a ranger is hurt it takes two days to get medical help, but if a rhino is hurt a helicopter arrives instantly. We discuss the militarisation of conservation, the commodification of nature, and the troubling reality that in many parts of the world conservation labour is informal, seasonal and precarious. Nick talks about the so-called 'passion tax', where love for nature is exploited to justify poor pay and conditions. Both guests leave us with a clear message: conservation must be compassionate, careful, and embedded in an ethics of care for people and for the planet.
Further reading:
An international scoping review of rangers’ precarious employment conditions | Environment Systems and Decisions | Springer Nature Link
An Exceptional Strike: A Micro-history of 'People versus Park' in Madagascar
The Low-Wage Conservationist: Biodiversity and Perversities of Value in Madagascar
Conservation labour geographies: Subsuming regional labour into private conservation spaces in South Africa
Psychological distress and workplace risk inequalities among conservation professionals
Supporting conservationists’ mental health through better working conditions
Not Just Participation: The Rise of the Eco-Precariat in the Green Economy
Labour perspectives on frontline conservation work | Current Conservation

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What does it take to bring wild nature back to a country that has forgotten what it looks like? Can rewilding truly benefit local communities and rural economies or does it come at their expense? And is Scotland really thirty years behind the rest of Europe when it comes to restoring its landscapes? This is a Podcasthon episode and this year I've chosen SCOTLAND: The Big Picture as my featured charity. Founded by nature photographers and filmmakers it has grown from a single employee to a team of twenty-four in just a few years. Today I'm joined by Lisa Chilton, CEO, and Stef Lauer, Rewilding Training Lead.
Lisa and Stef walk us through the extraordinary scope of what SCOTLAND: The Big Picture has built. At the heart of it all is the Northwoods Rewilding Network, a string of over a hundred land partners spanning the country from the Solway Firth to Shetland. The research backing this work is striking. Rewilded sites within the network have recorded more than 250% more bird species and a tenfold increase in pollinator abundance compared to control sites that weren’t rewilded. Beyond the network, the Loch Abar Mòrr poject brings together fourteen landowners across 120,000 acres, working to a fifty-year vision that stretches from the summit of Ben Nevis right down to seagrass beds and native oysters on the seafloor.
Our conversation also covers the long and careful effort to bring lynx back to Scotland. Lisa explains how Lynx to Scotland, a partnership involving SCOTLAND: The Big Picture, Trees for Life, and the Lifescape Project, has spent years engaging over fifty national stakeholder organisations and is now conducting one-to-one consultations in the communities most likely to be affected by any future release. The process is slow and deliberate. But as Stef puts it, the question is really about what kind of ecosystem we want to leave for the next generation. On that front, the ambition and the optimism coming from Lisa and Stef are genuinely infectious.
Further reading:
Working to return lynx to northern Scotland | Lynx to Scotland
Rewilding training | SCOTLAND: The Big Picture
The Big Picture Conference | SCOTLAND: The Big Picture
Donate | SCOTLAND: The Big Picture
Our Big Picture Community | SCOTLAND: The Big Picture

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What happens when a farming family decides to become the first private landowner in Britain to legally relocate beavers onto their farm? How do you navigate the bureaucracy, the opposition from farming neighbours and the politics of wildlife management? And can beavers actually help a farm deal with the effects of climate change? To find answers to those questions I sat down with Tom Bowser, author of “Waters of Life: Fighting for Scotland's Beavers”, a book that tells the story of his journey from a self-described placid pacifist to a self-proclaimed radical fighting for beaver restoration.
Tom's family has farmed at Argaty in central Scotland since 1916, running the farm with two aims: producing food sustainably and making it as good a home as possible for nature. From the 2000s, beaver escapes or unlicensed releases led to a wild beaver population in Tayside, much of it on prime arable farmland where they were often unpopular with farmers. The Scottish government gave them protected status in 2019 but also handed out lethal control licences with alarming ease. In the first year alone, one in five beavers of Scotland's tiny population was killed under licence. When Tom was approached about rehoming beavers that would otherwise be shot, he stepped into a process that tested his patience, his relationships with farming neighbours and his faith in the system.
During our conversation, Tom shares hard-won lessons about bridging the divide between farmers and conservationists. We talk about the tribal dynamics that make these discussions so difficult and the importance of speaking to people like normal human beings rather than talking down to them. Tom also describes the real, measurable benefits beavers have brought to his farm, from reduced flood damage to water retention during heatwave summers. Tom's story is a reminder that restoring nature and producing food don't have to be an either-or proposition. Do yourself a favour and buy 'Waters of Life: Fighting for Scotland's Beavers' using the link below.
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How did little over ten grey squirrels, brought to an Aberdeen zoo in 1971 to keep a tame squirrel called Jack company, turn into a population of over ten thousand? What does it take to eradicate an invasive species from a city? And could this project become the first urban grey squirrel eradication anywhere in the world? To discuss all of this I'm joined by James Kennedy, the Eradication Operations Lead for Saving Scotland's Red Squirrels (SSRS), a partnership project run by the Scottish Wildlife Trust. James has been on the ground since 2009, starting as a Grey Squirrel Control Officer on what was supposed to be an eighteen-month contract. Here he is, seventeen years later, closer than ever to achieving something many thought impossible.
During our conversation, James explains why grey squirrels are such a serious problem for native red squirrels and for the wider environment. It's not just about competition for food and habitat. Grey squirrels carry squirrelpox virus, which is lethal to red squirrels, usually killing them within a fortnight. They also cause millions of pounds of damage through bark stripping of trees, threatening both ancient woodlands and commercial forestry. We also discuss the role of pine martens in suppressing grey squirrel populations, a topic that is surprisingly emotive in conservation circles, and how the situation in Ireland offers some encouraging signs for red squirrel recovery.
James takes us through the practical realities of running an urban trapping operation, from getting the backing of Aberdeen City Council to managing a trap loan scheme with local residents. He shares stories of public encounters, both positive and hostile, and explains why education and patience matter when dealing with a controversial subject. We also look at alternative approaches such as fertility control and gene drive technology. But as James puts it, nothing currently replaces boots on the ground. With grey squirrel captures down to just two in 2025 and detection dogs now being deployed, the project is entering its confirmation phase. If you care about invasive species management and what is possible with long-term commitment, this is an episode you don't want to miss.
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