Bitcoin Magazine Podcast

Most Bitcoin scaling projects pick a lane. Arkade refuses to. In this conversation, Ark Labs' Andrew "Kukks" Camilleri explains why Arkade is a general-purpose off-chain environment where you can express your own unlocking scripts — multisig, hash-lock contracts, and more — without opinionated rails like built-in Lightning. He and Shinobi unpack the cosigner trust model, trusted execution environments, and how users can self-deploy signers to remove the possibility of incorrect execution.

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🔶 Shinobi — Bitcoin Magazine

🔶 Andrew "Kukks" Camilleri — Ark Labs

Chapters:

01:01 — What Is Ark? Single Output, Multiple Owners

01:50 — Batch Creation, Intents & VTXOs

02:46 — Forfeit Transactions and Connector Outputs

03:35 — The Virtual Mempool and Off-Chain Transfers

04:43 — Arkade vs Second: A Different Direction

05:35 — A General-Purpose Off-Chain Environment

06:32 — Extending Beyond Bitcoin's Base Layer

07:36 — The Cosigner Trust Model and Enclaves

09:11 — Self-Deployable Signers, Marketplaces & Lightning Swaps

11:38 — Enforcement, Fallbacks & What Ships Next

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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Could digital credit actually be making Bitcoin's bear market milder? In this episode, Strive CEO Matt Cole tells Brandon Green that new, non-Bitcoiner capital flowing into instruments like SATA and STRC is providing real "dip support" for Bitcoin. He walks through the three-to-five-year institutional adoption curve, why ETFs accelerate in year three, and how 2027–2029 could set up an institution-driven bull market.
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🔶 Host: Brandon Green - BTC Inc CEO🔶 Matt Cole - Strive
Chapters:
01:26 — The "mild" bear market read
08:47 — Double-digit Bitcoin-backed yields
16:25 — SATA vs. common equity: the 13% math explained
23:25 — Does digital credit make the bear market milder?
31:32 — Why institutions wait for the year-three track record
38:51 — Fed chair Warsh and the dollar's "terminal" diagnosis
44:26 — Self-custody, cold storage, and Bitcoin as insurance
51:55 — Hyperbitcoinization and Strive's endgame
57:02 — Growing the pie, Michael Saylor, and final thoughts
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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

"Who's the founder of gold? We don't know." Adam Back explains why Bitcoin's missing founder is a feature, not a bug and why he thinks we may never learn who Satoshi really is. Along the way, the Blockstream CEO covers Bitcoin treasury companies, neobanks like River, and the incentive structure pulling individuals, companies, and governments toward Bitcoin.
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🔶 Host: Isabella Santos — Get Based🔶 Adam Back - Blockstream
Chapters: 0:41 — Adam Back becomes CEO of Bitcoin Standard Treasury
2:40 — Sovereigns, pensions and Bitcoin's adoption arc
3:31 — Jade Core launches: self-custody made simple
6:12 — BlackRock model portfolios and bank adoption
8:22 — Bitcoin as a sovereign reserve and inflation hedge
11:02 — Blockstream's full stack and enterprise wallets
12:45 — Liquid, Lightning and beating on-chain fees
17:32 — Quantum computing: should Bitcoiners worry?
21:18 — The Satoshi mystery and "buy the dip and hold"
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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Is the four-year cycle dead, or is it about to be right on time again? Benjamin Cowen joins Brandon Green to argue that narrative follows price — not the other way around — and that everyone calling for "this time is different" said the same thing in 2017, 2021, and again in 2025. Cowen walks through the macro headwinds facing Bitcoin, what a new Fed chair like Kevin Warsh can and can't do, and why a midterm-year reset is the most likely path forward. Plus: his controversial take on Bitcoin treasury companies and why he believes they'll eventually underperform Bitcoin itself.
🔶 Host: Brandon Green - BTC Inc CEO
🔶 Benjamin Cowen - Founder & CEO of ITC
Chapters: 02:06 — From Nuclear Engineering PhD to Bitcoin YouTuber
10:32 — The 2025 Apathetic Top vs. The 2019 Apathetic Top Explained
15:17 — Bitcoin Cycles Inside the Macro Business Cycle
22:13 — Narrative Follows Price: Why the Four-Year Cycle Keeps Repeating
29:01 — Could the Midterms Mark a Surprise Bitcoin Bottom?
37:00 — The 40K Target: Realized Price, Balance Price, and the Path Lower
42:25 — The Fed Is Checkmated: Kevin Warsh, Energy Shock & Rate Cuts
47:51 — Why Treasury Companies Eventually Bleed to Bitcoin
52:14 — Bitcoin Beyond 2026: The Path to $1M and the 2040s Reset
59:30 —"The Bears Sound Smart, The Bulls Make Money"
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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Strategy went from holding Bitcoin on its balance sheet to inventing an entirely new asset class and Phong Le is at the center of it. In this Bitcoin Backstage conversation, the Strategy CEO breaks down STRC, the perpetual preferred product paying ~11.5% annualized monthly, and explains how it's funneling capital straight back into Bitcoin accumulation. Phong shares Strategy's path toward one million BTC, what people misunderstand about Michael Saylor, and why tokenized securities could be the next great unlock. Use code BM10 to get 10% off Bitcoin 2027 Conference in Nashville: https://2027.b.tc
🔶 Host: Isabella Santos — Get Based
🔶 Phong Le — President & CEO, Strategy
Chapters:
01:13 — From 4 to 200 Bitcoin Treasury Companies in One Year
03:54 — The Road to One Million Bitcoin
04:49 — How STRC Funds Strategy's Bitcoin Accumulation
06:23 — Bitcoin's "iPhone Moment" and Advice to Apple
09:11 — Working With Michael Saylor: The Side You Don't See
11:00 — Handling Haters, Useful Critics, and Perpetual Negativity
14:18 — Fire Round: Hottest Bitcoin Takes & $1M BTC
17:18 — Leadership, Life Mottos, and a Message to Bitcoiners
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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.