Bitcoin Magazine Podcast

Is the four-year cycle dead, or is it about to be right on time again? Benjamin Cowen joins Brandon Green to argue that narrative follows price — not the other way around — and that everyone calling for "this time is different" said the same thing in 2017, 2021, and again in 2025. Cowen walks through the macro headwinds facing Bitcoin, what a new Fed chair like Kevin Warsh can and can't do, and why a midterm-year reset is the most likely path forward. Plus: his controversial take on Bitcoin treasury companies and why he believes they'll eventually underperform Bitcoin itself.
🔶 Host: Brandon Green - BTC Inc CEO
🔶 Benjamin Cowen - Founder & CEO of ITC
Chapters: 02:06 — From Nuclear Engineering PhD to Bitcoin YouTuber
10:32 — The 2025 Apathetic Top vs. The 2019 Apathetic Top Explained
15:17 — Bitcoin Cycles Inside the Macro Business Cycle
22:13 — Narrative Follows Price: Why the Four-Year Cycle Keeps Repeating
29:01 — Could the Midterms Mark a Surprise Bitcoin Bottom?
37:00 — The 40K Target: Realized Price, Balance Price, and the Path Lower
42:25 — The Fed Is Checkmated: Kevin Warsh, Energy Shock & Rate Cuts
47:51 — Why Treasury Companies Eventually Bleed to Bitcoin
52:14 — Bitcoin Beyond 2026: The Path to $1M and the 2040s Reset
59:30 —"The Bears Sound Smart, The Bulls Make Money"
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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Strategy went from holding Bitcoin on its balance sheet to inventing an entirely new asset class and Phong Le is at the center of it. In this Bitcoin Backstage conversation, the Strategy CEO breaks down STRC, the perpetual preferred product paying ~11.5% annualized monthly, and explains how it's funneling capital straight back into Bitcoin accumulation. Phong shares Strategy's path toward one million BTC, what people misunderstand about Michael Saylor, and why tokenized securities could be the next great unlock. Use code BM10 to get 10% off Bitcoin 2027 Conference in Nashville: https://2027.b.tc
🔶 Host: Isabella Santos — Get Based
🔶 Phong Le — President & CEO, Strategy
Chapters:
01:13 — From 4 to 200 Bitcoin Treasury Companies in One Year
03:54 — The Road to One Million Bitcoin
04:49 — How STRC Funds Strategy's Bitcoin Accumulation
06:23 — Bitcoin's "iPhone Moment" and Advice to Apple
09:11 — Working With Michael Saylor: The Side You Don't See
11:00 — Handling Haters, Useful Critics, and Perpetual Negativity
14:18 — Fire Round: Hottest Bitcoin Takes & $1M BTC
17:18 — Leadership, Life Mottos, and a Message to Bitcoiners
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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Every Bitcoin Layer 2 quietly depends on a trusted operator to order transactions and that's the single point of failure Jeremy Rubin wants to kill. In this MIT Bitcoin Expo conversation with Bitcoin Magazine's Shinobi, Rubin breaks down Char Network, a decentralized shared sequencer that lets anyone participate like a miner. He explains how staked Bitcoin gets burned the moment a participant cheats, and why anchoring proof of stake to Bitcoin avoids the pitfalls of standalone PoS chains.

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🔶 Shinobi — Bitcoin Magazine
🔶 Jeremy Rubin — Founder & CEO, Char Network
Chapters:
00:41 — Who is Jeremy Rubin and what is Char Network
02:26 — The sequencing problem inside Bitcoin Layer 2s
03:49 — Decentralizing the trusted bridge operator
05:54 — Equivocate and your staked Bitcoin gets burned
08:09 — Long-range attacks vs Bitcoin-anchored security
10:47 — Signatures, the torus, and exposing private keys
14:06 — The hunt for a VRF and discovering eVRFs
15:33 — MuSig, deterministic nonces, and the Purify library
18:11 — Garbled circuits and a Bitcoin behind every blade of grass
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DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Could a New York court really declare 3.8 million dormant Bitcoin — including coins linked to Satoshi — as "abandoned property"? This week the Bitcoin Policy Institute team dissects an anonymous lawsuit built on an obscure lost-and-found statute, and explains why the legal theory is weak but the precedent could be devastating. Ken Egan, Zack Shapiro, and Zack Cohen also cover the Blockchain Regulatory Certainty Act (BRCA) after its Senate Banking Committee markup and the surprising opposition from sheriffs' associations.
Alex Thorn Article about New York case attempting to seize bitcoin:https://www.galaxy.com/insights/research/satoshi-bitcoin-salomon-brothers-patoshi-abandoned-property-new-york-noah-doe-lawsuitForeign Influence on AIhttps://www.btcpolicy.org/articles/foreign-influence-in-the-campaign-against-american-ai
🔶 Connect with Zack Shapiro on X: https://x.com/zackbshapiro🔶 Connect with Zack Cohen on X: https://x.com/zackcohen_🔶 Connect with Ken Egan on X: https://x.com/Bayman11771🔶 Learn more about the Bitcoin Policy Institute: https://www.btcpolicy.org/
Chapters: 2:32 — Inside the BRCA: Section 1960 and Money Transmitter Rules8:08 — Why Sheriffs Are Fighting the Blockchain Regulatory Certainty Act13:22 — Celebrate or Keep Calling? BRCA's Real Senate Battle16:36 — Begich's American Reserve Modernization Act (ARMA) Explained23:55 — Midterms, Fair Shake, and the Al Green Upset30:21 — The New York Lawsuit Over Satoshi-Era Bitcoin36:29 — Opus 4.8 Launches and Anthropic's Compute Crunch41:05 — AI's ROI Reckoning and the Business Adoption Gap50:54 — Sam Lyman's China AI Influence Report & SpaceX in Space
#Bitcoin #BitcoinPolicy #BitcoinPolicyInstitute #BPI #BRCA #BlockchainRegulatoryCertaintyAct #StrategicBitcoinReserve #ARMA #BitcoinAct #NickBegich #BitcoinRegulation #Section1960 #SamuraiWallet #TornadoCash #BitcoinLawsuit #Satoshi #BitcoinReserve #BitcoinCustody #ClarityAct #Coinbase #FairShake #Midterms #BitcoinMining #AIPolicy #Opus48 #DataCenters #ChinaAI #SamLyman #Crypto #CryptoRegulation #BitcoinNews
DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.

Bitcoin isn't just a store of value anymore, it's reshaping the entire credit market. Brandon Green sits down with Salt Lending CEO and founder Shawn Owen live from Bitcoin 2026 to unpack the digital credit revolution, the rise of Bitcoin-backed lending, and why treasury companies are now writing checks in the hundreds of millions. Shawn also announces Salt Switch, a new product that beats competitor lending rates by up to 1.5%. Trade Bitcoin's next move on Duelbits Predict — get 100% cashback on your first bet, up to $100. Bitcoin Magazine exclusive. 👉 bitcoinmagazine.com/duelbits-predictUse code BM10 to get 10% off Bitcoin 2027 Conference in Nashville: https://2027.b.tc🔶 Moderator: Brandon Green - BTC Inc CEO🔶 Shawn Owen - Salt CEOChapters: 2:45 — Announcing Salt Switch: Beating Lending Rates by Up to 1.5%3:49 — What Is Salt Lending? Bitcoin as Collateral, Explained5:30 — Surviving 3 Bear Markets: Antifragility and 100% Lender Repayment8:53 — From $10K Loans to $200K+ Averages: How Customers Evolved11:22 — Treasury Companies and the Next Leg Up for Bitcoin Credit13:05 — Digital Credit, Saylor, and Why There's "No Second Best"16:09 — Will Banks Disrupt Bitcoin — or Will Bitcoin Disrupt Banks?19:51 — Is Bitcoin Financialization Inevitable on the Path to Hyperbitcoinization?23:45 — Volatility, Adoption, and Is the Bear Market Bottom In?28:28 — The Human Side of the Bitcoin Network#Bitcoin #BitcoinMagazine #Bitcoin2026 #SaltLending #ShawnOwen #BrandonGreen #BitcoinLending #DigitalCredit #BitcoinCollateral #BitcoinTreasury #BitcoinBackedLoans #SaltSwitch #Saylor #Strategy #Stretch #BitcoinYield #Hyperbitcoinization #StoreOfValue #BitcoinNews #BitcoinPodcast #BTC #BitcoinConference #TreasuryCompany #BitcoinReserve #SoundMoneyDISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in this show are those of the participants and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of BTC Inc., Bitcoin Magazine, or any affiliated entities. This content is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, legal, tax, or accounting advice. Nothing contained in this show constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer to buy or sell any securities or financial instruments. Viewers should consult their own advisors before making financial or business decisions.