Hard Fork

In this episode, Ezra travels to Nvidia’s headquarters in Santa Clara, Calif., for a wide-ranging conversation with the chief executive Jensen Huang about the future of A.I. and why he thinks predictions of imminent doom are overblown.

Guests:
Jensen Huang, chief executive of Nvidia

Additional Reading:
A transcript and video of this episode can be found here.
America’s A.I. Leaders Warn U.N. of Possible Peril Absent a Global Response
Anthropic Releases a New A.I. Model, Opus 5.5, Amid Safety Debate
What to Know About Recent A.I. Hacks at Google, Anthropic, OpenAI and Meta
The A.I. Party House Where Networking Has a Dark Side

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This week, we break down why everyone is suddenly talking about A.I. safety, why frontier A.I. companies are asking for regulation and why the Trump administration is rejecting them. And then, to close out this chapter of “Hard Fork,” we answer all your questions about the show, tech and what’s happening next.

Additional Reading:
The A.I. Researcher Whose Rebellion Is Changing Everything
Top A.I. Leaders Call for Slowing Down A.I. Development
President Trump Is on the Line About an A.I. Slowdown
Mark Zuckerberg Takes Aim at Anthropic in Debate Over A.I. Slowdown
The ‘But China!’ Dilemma Driving the A.I. Race

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The “Hard Fork” team is away this week. But while we’re away, we’re bringing you a recent episode of “The Ezra Klein Show.”
In this episode, Ezra talks with the journalist Jasmine Sun about her recent reporting trip through the Midwest, where she explored how the data center backlash is playing out on the ground.
Ezra and Jasmine discuss the strange political coalitions that are coming together to oppose the A.I. infrastructure build out, and why people don’t believe what they’re being told about it.

Guests:
Jasmine Sun, journalist and writer at jasmi.news

Additional Reading:
No Data Centers In My Backyard
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This week, we’re diving into two new reports about the OpenAI-Hugging Face hack. We discuss what’s new and how they fundamentally change our understanding of what happened. Then we’re joined by Ajeya Cotra, one of the investigators at METR, to discuss the rogue agents’ message board and chain-of-thought transcripts and how the world should respond.
Guests:
Ajeya Cotra, co-author of the METR and Redwood Research report on the OpenAI-Hugging Face hack.


Additional Reading:
Brief Independent Investigation of Agents’ Behavior, Reasoning and Collaboration in the OpenAI / Hugging Face Hacking Incident
The Hugging Face Attack Surprised Me
The Hugging Face Incident and the Road Ahead
Nvidia Buys Hugging Face in $12.9 Billion Deal

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This week, Meta agreed to pay up to $17.1 billion and make major changes to Facebook and Instagram over claims it endangered children with addictive social media platforms. We discuss why it capitulated and what it means for the entire social media industry. Then, Princeton computer science professor Arvind Narayanan returns to offer his thoughts on why banning data centers won’t slow down A.I. progress. And finally, it’s all hats on deck for the final HatGPT.

Guests:

Arvind Narayanan, professor of computer science at Princeton, and co-author of the “A.I. as Normal Technology” newsletter.

Additional Reading:

Meta to Pay Up to $17.1 Billion in Landmark Settlement Over Social Media Addiction Claims

Mark Zuckerberg Wants to Make Sure His Competitors Share His Pain

Arvind Narayanan’s Post About A.I. Data Centers

Apple Vision Pro in Surgery: A New Paper

Rockstar Finally Breaks Its Silence Over The GTA 6 Leaks, Calls Them ‘Heartbreaking’

Amazon Delivery Drone Dumps Texas Woman’s Parcel Straight Into Her Swimming Pool

What if Your Texts Traveled as Slowly as a Carrier Pigeon?

A.I. Agents Are Turning Founders Into Insomniacs

What is a ‘Meat Proxy’? The New Term For Coworkers Who Blindly Share A.I. Output

Chinese Robot Tiangong Clocks Sub-9 second 100 Metres in Beijing

Inside OpenAI’s Reboot

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