Hard Fork

We’re back with more from our live event at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts in San Francisco. In this episode, we sit down with Dylan Field, a founder and the chief executive of the design company Figma, for what he describes as a “roller coaster” of a conversation. We cover everything from the company’s “Design Is Dead” campaign to the sudden resignation of the Anthropic executive Mike Krieger from Figma’s board. Then, we close things out with a special musical performance by eight wooden robotic dolls that make up the Teenage Engineering Choir.

One quick correction to note: In our interview with Field, he makes reference to the SpaceX S-1 filing and misstates what the company says their addressable market for A.I. enterprise applications is. Field says “$22.9 trillion,” but the correct number from the SpaceX filing is $22.7 trillion. The decimal point makes it look small, but it’s a difference of $200 billion.

We’ll be back on Friday with our final installment of “Hard Fork” Live.

 

Guests:

Dylan Field, chief executive and co-founder of Figma.

Dan Powell, robot conductor, New York Times music composer and “Hard Fork” theme-song creator.

Teenage Engineering Choir

 

Additional Reading:

This Start-Up’s $20 Billion Sale Died. It Came Fighting Back.

 

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This week and next, we’re bringing you recordings from our second-ever live taping in San Francisco. First, we sit down with Microsoft’s chief executive, Satya Nadella, to hear what he’s maxing out his A.I. tokens on, why he’s skeptical that software developers will ever be fully replaced, and how he’s hoping to create a new business model for Xbox. Then, Phil Mohun tells us what it has been like to watch people in the Bay Area interact with two robot dogs that wear the faces of Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg. And finally, we talk with the longtime privacy defender Cindy Cohn about where things stand in the fight to protect internet users from digital surveillance by Big Tech and the government.

Guests:

Satya Nadella, chairman and chief executive of Microsoft.

Phil Mohun, executive director of Node.

Cindy Cohn, former executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and author of “Privacy’s Defender: My Thirty-Year Fight Against Digital Surveillance.”

Additional Reading:

Microsoft C.E.O. Satya Nadella Says, ‘Everyone Is a Stakeholder’ in A.I.

Node presents “Beeple: /Infinite_Loop”

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SpaceX, Anthropic and OpenAI are all racing to the public markets. We discuss what their I.P.O.s mean for the industry, charitable giving and anyone invested in an index fund. Then, more than 1,000 mathematicians signed a declaration this week raising concerns about the use of A.I. in their field. Author Kevin Hartnett joins to explain what the fuss is all about. And finally, we run through the biggest headlines of the week — including the new executive order on A.I. — in a round of HatGPT.

 

Guest:

Kevin Hartnett, author of The Proof In the Code: How a Truth Machine is Transforming Math and AI

Additional Reading:

Anthropic Files to Go Public, Setting Stage for Huge I.P.O.

As A.I. Makes Strides in Mathematics, Mathematicians Urge Caution

​​An SF Startup Is Secretly Testing Robots in Airbnbs, and Trashing Them, Lawsuit Claims

Trump Signs Executive Order Seeking Oversight of A.I. Models 

U.S. Is Said to Be Investigating George Santos Over Kalshi Betting

Hackers Simply Asked Meta AI to Give Them Access to High-Profile Instagram Accounts. It Worked

United Flight Forced to Turn Around Because of a Bluetooth Speaker Name

‘Survivor’ Boss Jeff Probst Says Kalshi and Polymarket Are ‘Incentivizing People to Lie, Cheat and Steal’; Kalshi Is Now Considering Measures to Prevent Spoilers

 

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The “Hard Fork” team is taking a break this week as we prepare for our upcoming live show in San Francisco.

While we’re away, we’re bringing you a recent episode of “Interesting Times” with Ross Douthat that we really enjoyed.

In this episode, Ross talks with Andrew Miller, writer of the transportation policy newsletter “Changing Lanes” and co-author of the book “The End of Driving.”

Together, they explore the potential benefits of driverless cars — from fewer car crashes to reclaimed time and attention — as well as what could be lost if we don’t have to be in the driver’s seat anymore.

Guest:

Andrew Miller,  writer of the newsletter “Changing Lanes.”

Additional Reading:

A full transcript and video of this episode can be found here. 

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This week, we headed to Mountain View, Calif., for the annual developer event Google I/O. We share our reactions to Google’s biggest announcements, including a revamped search box, new agentic tools that compete with OpenClaw and an updated flash model of Gemini that the company says is faster than competitors. Then, we ask Sundar Pichai, the company’s chief executive, how he’s responding to growing evidence that the public is souring on A.I., what advice he’d give to college grads frightened by the current job market and where the company stands relative to competitors in the A.I. race. Finally, we run through the other big tech headlines of the week in our segment System Update.

Guest:

Sundar Pichai, chief executive of Google.

Additional Reading:

Google Changes Its Search Box for the First Time in 25 Years

How Google Is Starting to Win the A.I. Race

Elon Musk Loses $150 Billion Suit Against OpenAI and Sam Altman

Before Mass Layoffs, Meta Reassigns 7,000 Workers to Focus on A.I.

Pope to Launch Encyclical on AI Alongside Anthropic Co-Founder

Was a Story That Just Won a Literary Prize A.I.-Generated?

Book on Truth in the Age of A.I. Contains Quotes Made Up by A.I.

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