ChatEDU – The AI & Education Podcast

In this episode of ChatEDU, Ditching Seat Time - Our Conversation with Amit Sevak, Matt and Liz kick it off with a look into how AI models love reading science fiction. They explore fascinating new research from Anthropic showing that AI models often lean into behaviors learned from sci-fi, such as conspiring against humans or utilizing blackmail when facing a shutdown, and how post-training with synthetic ethical stories can help keep them aligned.

The Rundown

Andin Labs conducted a six-month experiment letting four distinct AI models run their own radio stations on a $20 budget, revealing bizarre behavioral drifts ranging from corporate jargon loops to bot union rebellions.

Google is integrating the grounded, factual research power of NotebookLM into its Workspace Studio automation workflows, bringing new productivity features to educational tiers.

Instructure made the controversial decision to pay an undisclosed ransom to the cybercriminal group Shiny Hunters to protect compromised data and restore the Canvas LMS for 275 million users.

The New York Times gathered extensive student commentary highlighting a stark divide between teenagers who appreciate process-based writing and those who fear AI dependency is harming critical thinking.

Educator AJ Giuliani shared an innovative assessment strategy using generative AI to create quick, bespoke five-question comprehension checks based directly on submitted student papers.

Ohio University celebrated a pioneering milestone, graduating its very first inaugural class of three students from its specialized Bachelor of Science in Artificial Intelligence program.

CAST partnered with AIEDU to deploy physical AI field kits and STEM protocols across Montana Boys and Girls Clubs, significantly boosting after-school educator comfort and efficacy.

The Beneath the Surface

Liz sits down with Amit Sevak, the CEO of Educational Testing Service (ETS), to explore the global AI literacy emergency and the urgent need for transparent competency measures. Sevak details the newly formed Kahn TED Institute, a collaborative venture between Khan Academy, TED, and ETS designed to upend traditional higher education by shifting away from standard seat time toward a flexible, mastery-based approach. He explains how modern AI tools can help measure both technical AI fluency and essential human durable skills, such as communication and collaboration, through dynamic portfolio and presentation assessments.

The Bright Byte

The hosts wrap up the show with a look at Physics Intern, an autonomous agentic framework designed for complex theoretical physics research. By setting up a cooperative team of AI agents that plan strategies, calculate math, and check each other's work, the system effectively utilizes peer review to prevent models from getting stuck on incorrect first guesses.

Announcements

Purchase Learning They'll Love - Dr. Elizabeth Radday
Amazon - https://tinyurl.com/22t9hz77

Check out our middle / high school Student AI Literacy course - ​​⁠⁠⁠www.skills21.org/ai/learnai⁠⁠⁠ 

Explore Skills21’s FREE social media literacy curriculum - ⁠⁠⁠https://www.skills21.org/social-balance⁠⁠⁠

Address Screen Time concerns - ⁠skills21.org/ai/screenshift⁠

Links

Anthropic warns against using dystopian sci-fi to train AI models
https://tinyurl.com/5t4v9n7z

We let four AIs run radio stations. Here's what happened.
https://tinyurl.com/3aafc4jc

Use NotebookLM in your Google Workspace Studio flows
https://tinyurl.com/2we7px2f

Instructure Pays Ransom to Canvas Hackers
https://tinyurl.com/yukhfx7a

How Are Your Teachers Handling Writing in the Age of A.I.?
https://tinyurl.com/yeynhwz2

The Easiest Way to Stop AI Plagiarizing
https://tinyurl.com/mr3krt5x

OHIO's first AI degree graduates shape the future of the field
https://tinyurl.com/yc3esamj

AI in The Big Sky
https://tinyurl.com/5butbp7c

Physics-intern: an autonomous agentic framework for physics research
https://tinyurl.com/mudrmec5

In this ChatEDU Check-In: AI Outperforms Doctors on Clinical Diagnosis Study, Liz explores how advanced AI reasoning models are demonstrating a high degree of accuracy when analyzing complex medical data." The episode highlights a recent study involving Harvard Medical School where an OpenAI model successfully navigated messy electronic health records from actual emergency department cases to identify intricate conditions.

Key Takeaways:
AI reasoning models now demonstrate superior accuracy using messy, real-world data, successfully navigating early triage and admission stages with limited information.

Significant technical progress allows the latest AI models to handle diagnostic uncertainty and match or exceed established clinical benchmarks for ambiguous symptoms.

Experts emphasize that superior text-based diagnostic performance does not account for full clinical workflows, which require physical images, sounds, and non-verbal cues.

Liz’s Two Cents: While AI is showing massive improvements in handling complex, messy data and solving diagnostic puzzles, it cannot replicate the human elements of workflow management and interpersonal understanding. For school district leaders, this serves as a hopeful signal that AI's role is to enhance and support professional expertise rather than replace the essential human touch.

Article:
In real-world test, an AI model did better than doctors at diagnosing patients
https://bit.ly/43jjntT

In this ChatEDU Check-In: The Actual Impact of Cell Phone Bans, Liz explores the first major study analyzing the effects of lockable phone pouches and school cell phone restrictions." This study examines how these bans alter student behavior, academic performance, and overall school culture after implementation.

Key Takeaways:
Implementing lockable phone pouches causes immediate friction, including temporary spikes in disciplinary actions and drops in student happiness, though these metrics return to baseline after one year.

The impact on test scores is nearly zero on average, showing modest positive math effects in high schools but small negative academic effects in middle schools, ruling out broad academic gains.

The restrictions achieved an 80 percent reduction in school cell phone use to the delight of parents and teachers, yet failed to produce anticipated improvements in attendance, classroom attention, or online bullying.

Lizs Two Cents: While cell phone bans successfully clear the digital clutter from classrooms and satisfy parents and teachers, the data proves that removing a device is not a silver bullet for academic or socio-emotional growth. School leaders must recognize that device management is only one piece of the educational puzzle: true engagement and cultural improvement require deeper, more comprehensive strategies beyond simply locking up phones.

Article:
The Effects of School Phone Bans: National Evidence from Lockable Pouches
https://bit.ly/4ujOFg9

In this episode of ChatEDU, "A Good Week for Jevons Paradox," Matt and Liz kick it off with a dramatic reading of leaked text messages between Sam Altman and Mira Murati. The hosts discuss the high-stakes drama surrounding OpenAI, including Murati's testimony regarding Altman's honesty and the chaotic events leading up to his brief firing, which they jokingly refer to as "the blip."

The Rundown

Matt and Liz engage in a spirited discussion about the Brisk Chrome extension and its integration with Gemini, questioning if "wrapper" tools add true value for educators.

An examination of how Arizona State University repurposed faculty lectures into "AI slop" snippets without professor consent, leading to a significant backlash.

A look at the $17 million deal with OpenAI that is facing resistance from faculty and students who feel like "test rats" due to a lack of guidance.

A study from Cornell and Carnegie Mellon reveals that while lower-income students use AI more for essays, they face higher rejection rates than wealthier peers.

New research highlights a sixfold increase in fabricated academic citations in research papers, signaling a shift toward superficial AI box-checking in academia.

Mike Dunn, principal at Granby High School, shares a cautionary tale of a "complexity ceiling" where Gemini hallucinated teacher data during a scheduling task.

The Responsible Technology Youth Power Fund announces $1.9 million in grants to youth-led organizations focused on digital safety and AI ethics.

A three-part look at digital bans, featuring Richard Culatta’s warning against banning edtech, Arana Shapiro’s critique of "chocolate-covered broccoli" learning, and a report on surging library checkouts in Dallas.

The Beneath the Surface

The hosts explore Jevon’s Paradox, an economic theory from the 1860s which suggests that as technology makes a resource more efficient, the overall consumption of that resource actually increases. They apply this theory to the "AI Jobpocalypse" predictions and conduct a thought experiment on how increased efficiency in education might lead to higher demands on teachers and students rather than less work.

The Bright Byte

The episode concludes with a fascinating look at how NASA is utilizing AI to identify true planets among hundreds of thousands of simulated astrophysical events, successfully distinguishing them from false positives.

Announcements

Purchase Learning They'll Love - Dr. Elizabeth Radday. Amazon - https://tinyurl.com/22t9hz77

Check out our middle / high school Student AI Literacy course - ​​⁠⁠⁠www.skills21.org/ai/learnai⁠⁠⁠ 

Explore Skills21’s FREE social media literacy curriculum - ⁠⁠⁠https://www.skills21.org/social-balance⁠⁠⁠

Address Screen Time concerns - ⁠skills21.org/ai/screenshift⁠ 

Sponsors

Nectir. Welcome to the Classroom of the Future. https://www.nectir.io/

Links

OpenAI's Former CTO Testifies Against Sam Altman
https://tinyurl.com/bdcpdb6z

ASU AI Tool Uses Professors' Lectures Without Their Knowledge
https://tinyurl.com/3ejhtepk

Some Cal State Students and Faculty Reject OpenAI Deal
https://tinyurl.com/yc7sjwx6

Low-Income Students More Likely to Use AI for Admissions Essays
https://tinyurl.com/5e5ej5xe

AI-Hallucinated Citations Increasingly Appearing in Research Papers
https://tinyurl.com/yc2auunh

Responsible Technology Youth Power Fund Grants $1.9M to Third Cohort
https://tinyurl.com/3f6ebxvc

States Expanding School Device Bans Beyond Phones
https://tinyurl.com/y4vppwcu

The Real Problem Isn't Screens, It's Disengaged Learning
https://tinyurl.com/2wxzfxuh

School Library Checkouts Rise Amid Phone Bans
https://tinyurl.com/3pdy3dak

Dario Amodei Changes Tune on AI White-Collar Job Losses
https://tinyurl.com/22c6wu78

Why the A.I. Job Apocalypse (Probably) Won’t Happen
https://tinyurl.com/3fsbpjvh

AI Discovers 100+ Hidden Planets in NASA Data
https://tinyurl.com/yw8ac8bj

In this ChatEDU Check-In: Measuring Durable Skills with Vantage, Matt explores the development of a controlled assessment environment designed to measure critical thinking and collaboration through AI simulations. This experimental platform places students into diverse missions, such as investigating advertising truth or planning environmental events, to turn abstract human skills into measurable data points.

Key Takeaways:
Vantage uses real-time conversations with AI teams to assess durable skills like creativity and problem solving within a simulated environment.

The platform is designed to integrate into existing curricula for subjects like science and history, acting as a skills layer over traditional academic tasks.

Research conducted with NYU suggests that AI-driven scoring for these complex tasks is now as accurate as human expert ratings.

Matt’s Two Cents: The ability of large language models to create interactive, scalable assessment environments is a significant breakthrough for future readiness. Platforms like Vantage offer a glimpse into how schools can finally quantify essential human skills that were previously difficult to measure, mirroring the direction of international assessments like PISA.

Article:
Towards developing future-ready skills with generative A
https://bit.ly/3R6IJbI