183. Beef is the Waste Product with Hobbs Magaret
In this episode, Hobbs Magaret, author of Herd: Animals That Gave Rise to Humanity and Why We Need Them More Than Ever, joins Cal for a deep, thought-provoking conversation about grazing, ecology, and shifting our perspectives on livestock production. Hobbs shares his journey from ranching in Oregon to working on massive cattle stations in Australia, blending personal experience with philosophical insights. The discussion explores high density grazing, the role of herd animals in human history, how to market regenerative beef, and the radical idea of viewing beef as a waste product rather than the main goal. Along the way, Hobbs touches on corporate politics, ecological ideals, genetic selection for fertility, and the lessons learned from managing vastly different environments.Topics CoveredHobbs Magaret’s background and ranching journey in the U.S. and AustraliaThe origins of his interest in high density grazing (influences from Allan Savory and Johann Zietsman)Moving from a protein-production mindset to an ecological-function mindsetThe concept of beef as a waste product instead of a byproductLessons learned from grazing in Oregon vs. Texas vs. Northern AustraliaManaging corporate politics while implementing ecological changesPerformance art and visibility in agriculture marketingUsing social media (TikTok & Instagram) to grow influence and sell beefThe role of hindgut fermenters in ecosystems and simulating their function with ruminantsGenetic adaptation and breed considerations for different environmentsThe importance of fertility as the key livestock selection criterionMarketing strategies and the value of storytelling in agriculture If you’re interested in the future of regenerative ranching, this episode will challenge your assumptions and spark new ideas. Hobbs brings a rare combination of large-scale experience, ecological philosophy, and practical know-how. Whether you’re grazing a few acres or managing thousands, his insights into livestock genetics, grazing strategy, and the deeper purpose of ruminants will help you think differently about your land, your herd, and your role as a steward.Resources MentionedHerd: Animals That Gave Rise to Humanity and Why We Need Them More Than Ever by Hobbs MagaretAllan Savory’s work and holistic management principlesMan, Cattle and Veld by Johann ZietsmanHow to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale CarnegieLooking for Livestock that thrive on grass? Check out Grass Based GeneticsVisit our Sponsors:Noble Research InstituteRedmond AgricultureGrazing Grass LinksNew Listener Resource GuideProvide feedback for the podcastWebsiteInsidersResourcesCommunity (on Facebook)Check out the Apiary Chronicles PodcastChapters(00:00) - Introduction and Fast Five Questions
(00:52) - Career Journey and Ranching Experience
(09:57) - High Density Grazing and Ecological Insights
(30:53) - Marketing and Social Media Success
(32:23) - Writing the Book and Philosophical Reflections
(45:49) - The Central Thesis: Ecologically Aligned Beef
(46:46) - Controversial Insights on American Cattle Industry
(48:07) - Historical Context and Ecological Impact
(49:53) - The Paradigm Shift: Profitability vs. Sustainability
(01:01:14) - Genetics and Fertility in Cattle Breeding
(01:02:11) - Ecological Adaptation and Market Realities
(01:05:36) - Global Perspectives on Cattle Breeding
(01:17:44) - The Role of Hindgut Fermenters in Grazing Systems
(01:20:01) - Final Thoughts and Reflections
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