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    Joseph Smith was NOT a criminal killed in a gunfight

    21/06/2026 | 40 mins.
    What if the weapon that killed Joseph and Hyrum Smith at Carthage Jail wasn't really a gun — but the legal system itself? Most Latter-day Saints have only a vague sense of why Joseph was even in that jail on June 27, 1844. The real story goes back years, and it looks a lot like a conspiracy.

    Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot trace "the road to Carthage" — drawing on Carthage Conspiracy by Dallin H. Oaks and Marvin S. Hill (University of Illinois Press) and Joseph I. Bentley's "Road to Martyrdom: Joseph Smith's Last Legal Cases," along with related work in Sustaining the Law — to show how Joseph's enemies weaponized the courts to pull him out of Nauvoo and keep him in Carthage long enough to kill him.

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    In this episode:

    The three Missouri extradition attempts (1841, 1842, 1843) and the Mormon War of 1838 behind them

    How Joseph used habeas corpus — from Magna Carta to the Nauvoo municipal court — to thwart extradition

    The six dissidents (William & Wilson Law, Robert & Charles Foster, Francis & Chauncey Higbee) and their break with Joseph over plural marriage

    "Lawfare" in action — adultery charges, riot charges, and the goal that was never conviction

    Thomas Sharp, the Warsaw Signal, and the open calls for extermination

    The Nauvoo Expositor and the "three polys": polygamy, polytheism, and politics

    Three Expositor myths debunked — suppressing the truth, the First Amendment, and the "neutral truth-teller" pose (the 14th Amendment, 1868, and Near v. Minnesota, 1931)

    Suppressing the paper vs. destroying the press — where the legal overreach actually was

    The exorbitant bail, Governor Ford's empty guarantees, and the last-minute treason charge — and why treason, a non-bailable capital offense, was the whole point

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    Primary source

    Dallin H. Oaks and Marvin S. Hill, Carthage Conspiracy: The Trial of the Accused Assassins of Joseph Smith (University of Illinois Press)

    Joseph I. Bentley, "Road to Martyrdom: Joseph Smith's Last Legal Cases"

    Scholarly sources mentioned in the episode

    Dallin H. Oaks, "Suppressing the Nauvoo Expositor" (in Sustaining the Law)

    Sustaining the Law: Joseph Smith's Legal Encounters (Jane H. Wise / Gordon A. Madsen, eds.) — collected legal-history essays referenced throughout

    Craig L. Foster, article in Interpreter on 19th-century precedents for suppressing newspapers

    Brian C. Hales, on plural marriage and "polygamy insiders" (referenced terminology)

    Related background reading

    Near v. Minnesota (1931) — landmark First Amendment / prior-restraint case discussed in the episode

    Richard E. Turley Jr., Ronald W. Walker, and Glen M. Leonard, Massacre at Mountain Meadows (Oxford University Press) — for the later-trauma context the hosts flag

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    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - When Did the Conspiracy to Murder Joseph Smith Begin?
    (00:02:44) - The Attempt to extradite Joseph Smith back to Missouri
    (00:08:29) - What Happened to Joseph Smith?
    (00:09:42) - How Lawfare Was Used Against Joseph Smith
    (00:16:22) - The Nauvoo Expositor: Polygyny, Political
    (00:18:35) - Myth #3, Joseph Smith Was Violating the First Amendment By
    (00:24:33) - The Nauvoo Expositor Myth
    (00:30:42) - The Contempt to Suppress the Paper
    (00:32:20) - Joseph Smith on the Riot Charge
    (00:34:22) - Joseph Smith Was Put in Carthage Jail for Treason
    (00:35:12) - Treason Charge Against Joseph Smith
    (00:36:30) - The Plot to Keep Joseph Smith in Carthage
  • Informed Saints

    Did Joseph Smith Fall for the Kinderhook Plates?

    14/06/2026 | 35 mins.
    Did Joseph Smith try to translate a known hoax? In 1843, forged brass plates dug from a burial mound near Kinderhook, Illinois were rushed to Nauvoo, and critics have used the story ever since as proof that Joseph Smith was a fraud. But the documented history tells a very different story — one most members (and most critics) have never heard.

    In this episode, Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot break down what really happened when the Kinderhook Plates came to town: who forged them and why, how the "discovery" was staged, and what Joseph Smith actually did when he examined them. Drawing on research by Mark Ashurst-McGee and Don Bradley, they show how the famous William Clayton journal entry ("President Joseph has translated a portion...") traces back to a single character compared against the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar — a scholarly exercise using the study tools available to him, not a revelation. No seer stone. No Urim and Thummim. No Book of Kinderhook. The trap never sprang shut, and what Joseph Smith didn't do may be the most compelling evidence of his sincerity as a prophet and translator.

    In this episode:

    - What were the Kinderhook Plates, and who made them?

    - The forgers' real motive (it wasn't what you think)

    - Why the Saints — and the national press — took the plates seriously

    - What Joseph Smith asked for when he first saw them

    - The single character behind William Clayton's "translation" entry

    - Does any of this implicate the Book of Abraham? (No — here's why)

    - Why no revelation ever came, and what Mosiah 8 says about translating records "of ancient date"

    - How the Church itself helped expose the hoax in 1981

    - Kinderhook's staged witnesses vs. the Book of Mormon witnesses

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    Further reading:

    - Mark Ashurst-McGee and Don Bradley, "President Joseph Has Translated a Portion: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates," in Producing Ancient Scripture (University of Utah Press, 2020)

    - Don Bradley and Mark Ashurst-McGee, "Joseph Smith and the Kinderhook Plates," in A Reason for Faith: Navigating LDS Doctrine and Church History (BYU Religious Studies Center, 2016)

    - Stanley B. Kimball, "Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax," Ensign, August 1981

    - Richard Lyman Bushman, Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling (2005)

    https://rsc.byu.edu/reason-faith/kinderhook-plates

    https://scripturecentral.org/knowhy/what-do-the-kinderhook-plates-reveal-about-joseph-smiths-gift-of-translation

    https://mormonr.org/qnas/a9l1T/the_kinderhook_plates

    https://archive.org/details/EnsignAugust1981/page/n67/mode/2up

    https://bhrob...

    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - The Kinderhook Plates
    (00:02:04) - The Kinderhook Plates Hoax
    (00:07:02) - The Egyptian Papyrus Comparison vs the Kinderhook Plates
    (00:14:11) - Joseph Smith and the Egyptian Alphabet
    (00:19:41) - Joseph Smith on the Book of Abraham
    (00:20:12) - Joseph Smith: The Book of Mormon
    (00:23:07) - Why Didn't He See the Book of Mormon?
    (00:29:07) - Does the Gift of Translation Prove Joseph Smith Was Real?
    (00:34:34) - Joseph Smith and the Kinderhook plates
  • Informed Saints

    Joseph Smith's 1843 Vision Most Latter-day Saints Have Never Heard

    07/06/2026 | 28 mins.
    In April 1843, Joseph Smith stood on the Nauvoo temple grounds and described a vision he had received: he had seen the resurrected dead take each other by the hand and embrace one another, reuniting families across the veil. Most Latter-day Saints know that handclasps carry sacred significance in temple worship — but very few know that this exact motif runs through the entire ancient world, from the Hebrew Bible to early Christianity to Byzantine art to Egyptian temple ritual.

    In this episode, Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot sit down with Spencer Kraus to discuss his paper "God Hath Shown Unto Me a Vision: The Sacred Handclasp and the Resurrection of the Dead," published in Temple Insights: Scholarship, Craftsmanship, and Fellowship (The Interpreter Foundation / Temple on Mount Zion Symposium).

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    Spencer Kraus, “‘God Hath Shown unto Me a Vision’: The Sacred Handclasp and the Resurrection of the Dead,” in The Temple: Seership, Craftsmanship, and Fellowship., ed. Jeffrey M. Bradshaw and Stephen D. Ricks (Orem, UT: Interpreter Foundation; Salt Lake City: Eborn Books, 2025), 369–393.

    David M. Calabro, “The Divine Handclasp in the Hebrew Bible and in Near Eastern Iconography,” in Temple Insights: Proceedings of the Interpreter Matthew B. Brown Memorial Conference, ed. William J. Hamblin and David Rolph Seely (Orem, UT: Interpreter Foundation; Salt Lake City: Eborn Books, 2014), 88–92; https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/the-divine-handclasp-in-the-hebrew-bible-and-in-near-eastern-iconography.

    Matthew B. Brown, “The Handclasp, the Temple, and the King,” in Hamblin and Seely, Temple Insights, 5–10; https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/the-handclasp-the-temple-and-the-king.

    Stephen D. Ricks, “Dexiosis and Dextrarum Iunctio: The Sacred Handclasp in the Classical and Early Christian World,” FARMS Review 18, no. 1 (2006): 431–436; https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1673&context=msr.

    Brent J. Schmidt, Relational Faith: The Transformation and Restoration of Pistis as Knowledge, Trust, Confidence, and Covenantal Faithfulness (Provo, UT: BYU Studies, 2022), 87–118.

    David M. Calabro, “The Reach, the Handclasp, and the Embrace: Gestures of the Gods in the Ancient Egyptian Abydos Formula,” in Seek Ye Words of Wisdom: Studies of the Book of Mormon, Bible, and Temple in Honor of Stephen D. Ricks, ed. Donald W. Parry, Gaye Strathearn, and Shon D. Hopkin (Orem, UT: Interpreter Foundation; Salt Lake City: Eborn Books, 2020), 291–310; https://interpreterfoundation.org/reprint-the-reach-the-handclasp-and-the-embrace.

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    ===Content Disclaimer===

    The views expressed represent ours alone and do not necessarily reflect the official position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    #BookOfMormon #LDS #JosephSmith #Temple #SacredHandclasp #InformedSaints #La...

    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - The hand clasp and the resurrection
    (00:01:11) - Joseph Smith and Handclasps
    (00:08:42) - The Sacred Hand Clasp
    (00:14:22) - Handclasps in the Resurrection
    (00:20:24) - The Early Mormon Death Culture
    (00:26:09) - The Temple and the Resurrection
  • Informed Saints

    Mesoamerica vs. The Heartland: The Book of Mormon Geography Debate

    24/05/2026 | 1h 14 mins.
    Where did the Book of Mormon actually take place? It's one of the most divisive internal debates among Latter-day Saints — and one of the most misunderstood.

    In this episode, Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot sit down with Brant Gardner — author of the six-volume Second Witness commentary on the Book of Mormon and one of the most widely published Book of Mormon scholars working today — to lay out the methodological, archaeological, anthropological, and textual case for Mesoamerica, and why the Heartland model doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

    Read Brant Gardner's "Heartland vs. Mesoamerica" article series at The Interpreter Foundation, and check out his brand new book The Record and Explorations in Book of Mormon Authenticity, published by FAIR.

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    https://fairlatterdaysaints.org/store/product/the-record-and-the-reading-explorations-in-book-of-mormon-authenticity/

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    Episode Resources:

    www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/book-of-mormon-geography

    https://bhroberts.org/records/HcTowb-KL5WGb/observer_and_telegraph_reporter_mentions_the_three_witnesses_and_reports_on_lds_missionary_activity_in_ohio

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/guatemala-mirador-calakmul-karst-basin-lidar-maya-settlements-2235254

    https://www.newsweek.com/hidden-ancient-mayan-megalopolis-60000-structures-discovered-guatemala-using-797865

    arstechnica.com/science/2021/10/lidar-reveals-hundreds-of-long-lost-maya-and-olmec-ceremonial-centers/

    www.sci.news/archaeology/lidar-olmec-maya-ceremonial-complexes-mexico-10206.html

    www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/world/maya-civilization-causeways-lidar-discovery-scn

    scripturecentral.org/knowhy/why-did-nephis-people-want-him-to-be-a-king

    https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/unavailable-genetic-evidence-multiple-simultaneous-promised-lands-and-lamanites-by-location-possible-ramifications-of-the-book-of-mormon-limited-geography-theory

    scripturecentral.org/knowhy/what-was-the-nature-of-nephite-fortifications

    https://byustudies.byu.edu/article/archaeological-trend...

    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - The Book of Mormon
    (00:00:52) - The Book of Mormon Geography
    (00:07:32) - The population scale of the American heartland
    (00:12:59) - Mesoamerica and Political Organization
    (00:19:14) - Mesoamerican and Heartland Proposals
    (00:23:20) - on Book of Mormon Geography
    (00:29:07) - Isaac 10,000 on the hill
    (00:30:45) - Wonders of the World
    (00:32:17) - The Book of Mormon Fortifications
    (00:35:08) - The Book of Mormon and the Mountains of New York
    (00:41:12) - Neville on the Heartland Geography
    (00:44:58) - Geography in the Book of Mormon
    (00:47:42) - How Does Mesoamerica vs Heartland Account for the Destruction
    (00:53:22) - The Book of Mormon Heartland vs. Mesoamerica
    (00:59:23) - Meticulous Metal Artifacts in the Book of Mormon
    (01:04:50) - Do Things Change in the Book of Mormon?
    (01:06:04) - How Does the Book of Mormon End?
    (01:11:05) - Brandt on the Book of Mormon
    (01:13:34) - Brant Gardner's New Book, The Record and the Explor
  • Informed Saints

    Abinadi Was Right | Stunning Evidence From Two Ancient Worlds

    17/05/2026 | 23 mins.
    What is the "east wind" in the Book of Mormon? Why would it have struck terror into King Noah's people? On the surface, Abinadi's warning that the people would "reap the east wind which bringeth immediate destruction" (Mosiah 7:31) sounds almost forgettable. But this detail turns out to be one of the most quietly powerful pieces of evidence for the Book of Mormon's ancient origins.

    In this episode, Jasmin, Neal, and Stephen unpack a fascinating paper by BYU professor Kerry Hull titled "An East Wind: Old and New World Perspectives," published in the volume Abinadi: He Came Among Them in Disguise (Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University). The east wind in the Hebrew Bible is consistently used as an instrument of divine judgment — drying out crops, bringing locusts, parting seas, and famously blighting the wheat in Pharaoh's dream. It's a wind of destruction, even when biblical authors apply it to regions where the geographical direction wouldn't literally make sense.

    But the real surprise comes when you cross over to the New World. Among the Yucatec, Zeltal, and Zotzil Maya, "evil winds" were believed to be punishments sent by the gods, with the east wind singled out as especially destructive — the Zotzil and Zeltal literally calling it "fiery wind." John Sorensen documented a Zeltal prayer that almost mirrors Abinadi's prophecy: "let no hail come, let no wind come, let no locusts come." That's the exact constellation of calamities listed in Mosiah 12:6.

    The geography deepens the case. In highland Guatemala; where most Mesoamerican Book of Mormon models place the city of Lehi-Nephi — a hot northeast wind clashing with humid Pacific air actually produces hailstorms, and locusts naturally migrate down from the nearby Motagua River Valley. Jerry Grover has also connected Abinadi's prophecy to Mayan New Year rites, where year bearers were tied to specific cardinal directions and warnings of famine, locusts, war, and the violent death of a ruler were part of the ritual prophetic tradition.

    ===Informed Saints Credits===

    Produced by The Ancient America Foundation

    Producer: Spencer Clark

    Hosts: Stephen Smoot, Neal Rappleye, Jasmin Rappleye

    Subscribe for more deep-dive Book of Mormon scholarship

    Read the full volume: Abinadi: He Came Among Them in Disguise at the BYU Religious Studies Center

    Sources discussed:

    Kerry Hull, "An East Wind: Old and New World Perspectives"

    John Sorensen, An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon and Mormon's Codex

    Jerry Grover, Evidence of the Nehor Religion in Mesoamerica

    John W. Welch, scholarship on Pentecost and Abinadi's trial

    Further Readings Links:

    https://rsc.byu.edu/abinadi/east-wind

    https://scripturecentral.org/knowhy/why-did-abinadi-warn-the-people-of-an-east-wind

    https://scripturecentral.org/archive/books/book-chapter/abinadi-andpentecost

    https://scripturecentral.org/archive/media/chart/did-abinadi-prophesy-against-king-noah-pentecost

    https://interpreterfoundation.org/journal/nephite-daykeepers-ritual-specialists-in-mesoamerica-and-the-book-of-mormon

    Study deeply. Believe boldly.

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    Chapters

    (00:00:00) - The East Wind: An Ancient Phenomenology
    (00:00:34) - Where Does The East Wind Show Up in The Old Testament?
    (00:06:41) - Bad Wind: The East Wind
    (00:12:38) - The East Wind in The Book of Mormon
    (00:16:13) - Isaiah 7:1-2 New Year Prophecies
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