✨ "Men don't need less empathy. They often need empathy delivered differently." – Eric Robertson
✨ "Success is a tricky thing. You can get to the point where you start to believe your own bullshit — and that has some negative impacts on your relationships." – Eric Robertson
Eric Robertson spent 33 years inside some of the most painful moments families ever face — divorce. As one of Austin's most respected family law attorneys, he sat across from men and women at their most raw and most desperate. What he noticed about the men changed the direction of his life. They weren't falling apart in the ways the system was built to recognize. They were shutting down, overworking, picking fights, and quietly disappearing inside themselves — and nobody had a name for what was happening to them. That observation sent Eric back to school for a second master's degree in clinical mental health counseling, and launched an entirely new career focused on men's emotional wellbeing.
This conversation matters deeply if you love a man — a son, a partner, a brother, a father. So much of what Eric shares illuminates not just what men are going through, but why they behave the way they do when they're struggling, and what the people around them can actually do to help. If you've ever felt the wall go up, or watched someone you care about go quiet when you knew something was wrong, this episode will give you language, compassion, and insight you didn't have before.
Rupert and Eric move through the staggering statistics behind male loneliness and suicide, the question of why successful men are often the ones struggling most, and the double standards men quietly carry. Eric walks through how depression actually shows up in men — irritability, emotional numbness, compulsive overworking, chronic pain — so listeners can recognize what they might previously have dismissed or misread. The conversation takes a genuinely practical turn when Eric demonstrates a live bilateral tapping session with Rupert on-air, offering a simple tool for emotional regulation that anyone can begin using today.
Rupert brings his own lens throughout — from his years living with San Bushmen hunter-gatherer communities in southern Africa, to raising his autistic son Rowan, to his own honest reflections on therapy, mentorship, and what men actually need to heal. Whether you're listening for yourself, for someone you love, or simply because you sense the men in your world are carrying more than they're letting on — come with an open heart, and you'll leave with new eyes.
What You'll Learn in This Episode
Why Eric left a 33-year career as a top divorce attorney to become a men's therapist — and what he kept seeing in his male clients that no one was addressing [00:03:35]
The statistics behind male loneliness and suicide: 80% of suicides in 2023 were men, and 15% of young men now report having no close friends — a fivefold increase since 1990 [00:04:34]
How depression and emotional distress show up differently in men — and why so many cases go unrecognized [00:10:21]
Why successful men are often the ones struggling most, and how chasing external validation can quietly hollow out a life [00:16:38]
The role of mentorship in Eric's own story — how one senior attorney modeled a different way to live and why Eric credits him with changing his trajectory [00:25:00] • What divorce coaching is, why it differs from therapy or legal advice, and why well-meaning "shadow advisors" often make things worse [00:37:33]
The double standard men silently carry — expected to be emotionally present at home, while still judged as providers if they fall short [00:55:39]
How to raise emotionally literate boys, including the powerful practice of "connection before correction" when a child acts out [00:53:03]
Why young men need healthy risk — and how the loss of mentored, nature-based challenge is driving the retreat into screens and isolation [01:07:38]
The neuroscience of the developing frontal cortex: why young men's brains aren't yet wired for emotional regulation, and what that means for how we respond to them [01:21:00]
How bilateral tapping works to regulate emotional overwhelm — demonstrated live in the episode [01:24:15]
Eric's closing framework for working with men: normalize emotion without forcing verbal vulnerability, focus on goals, and frame help as skill-building rather than weakness [01:31:49]
Memorable Moments
Eric describes watching male divorce clients shut down rather than fall apart — the observation that sent him back to school and into an entirely new career [00:03:35]
Rupert and Eric do a live bilateral tapping session on-air — Rupert taps along as Eric guides him through the protocol, and notes a genuine shift by the end [01:24:46]
Eric admits that at the height of his legal career he started believing his own success story in ways that cost him his closest relationships — and the moment he knew something had to change [00:19:00]
Rupert shares the story of a young man who wouldn't leave his room — brought to his farm in winter, where chopping wood to stay warm turned out to be the intervention no therapist had managed [01:17:03]
Eric describes a divorce case that flipped the gender script: a stay-at-home husband whose female breadwinner said exactly what men usually say — revealing how much of conflict is human, not gendered [00:56:18]
Eric admits he used to do secret tapping exercises before every courtroom trial to manage his own anxiety — and now uses that confession to help male clients get past the "touchy-feely" resistance [01:28:36]
Projects and Organizations Mentioned
Robertson Counseling and Therapy — Eric Robertson's practice in Austin, Texas: https://robertsonct.com
American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers
American Institute of Boys and Men
EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing)
Divorce Discernment Counseling
Movement Method / New Trails Learning Systems: https://ntls.co
University of Bournemouth equine study on domestic violence re-offending
The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land — books by Rupert Isaacson
About Eric Robertson
Eric Robertson is a licensed professional counselor associate based in Austin, Texas. After 33 years as a family law attorney — including serving on the board of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers — he returned to his original calling and completed a master's degree in clinical mental health counseling. He now works with men and individuals navigating divorce, offering both therapy and divorce coaching to help people stay emotionally regulated when it matters most. His website is www.robertsonct.com.
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