The Animalz Content Marketing Podcast

• Kay-Kay Clapp on Typeform’s Audience-Powered Content Strategy

  Go behind the scenes of enterprise content marketing with Kay-Kay Clapp, Head of Content & Social at Typeform. In this episode, Kay-Kay reveals how leading B2B SaaS teams build content engines that fuel growth without sacrificing creativity or speed. She shares practical frameworks for managing content debt, running large-scale campaigns, and collaborating with subject matter experts, all while navigating the unique challenges of enterprise environments.Whether you’re grappling with approval bottlenecks, cross-team friction, or the myth that bigger budgets mean faster shipping, this episode delivers actionable advice and peer benchmarks you can use right away.👤 About Our Guest: Kay-Kay ClappKay-Kay Clapp has built and led content operations at some of SaaS’s most respected brands, including iFixit, Appcues, and now Typeform. She specializes in designing scalable systems that balance operational discipline with creative risk-taking, helping enterprise teams ship memorable content at speed even in complex, highly matrixed organizations.📻 About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: Enterprise Content MarketingThis season on the Animalz Podcast, we’re pulling back the corporate curtain to show you how the largest, most complex B2B SaaS teams actually get content out the door. Our mission: demystify these hidden machines and reveal what it really takes to run content at scale.Hear from content leaders of some of the biggest names in SaaS sharing the systems they've built, the battles they've fought, and the lessons they've learned along the way.⏳ Timestamps00:00 – Introduction: Why enterprise content engines matter03:18 – Kay-Kay’s background: From iFixit to Typeform and lessons learned scaling content teams07:33 – How changing CMS (from Contentful to Webflow) unlocked speed and modularity09:49 – The “fuel & engine” model: Separating creative content from operational systems11:08 – The three-part operating rhythm: Content debt, quarterly campaigns, and SME-driven work16:47 – Turning audience insights into strategy: How Typeform uses real customer feedback to shape content22:07 – The myth of the “big budget = fast shipping” and how enterprise friction really works24:45 – Real-world AI adoption: Using AI to streamline the briefing process28:55 – The 70/30 rule: Balancing proactive strategy with stakeholder requests30:49 – How process enables creativity and why being “a little cringe” is part of the job31:16 – Making content memorable: The power of surprise and delight in B2B33:08 – Creative inspiration: Borrowing from consumer brands and iconic campaigns35:30 – Measuring success: Why “owned audience” is the north-star metric for content teams🔗 Mentioned Links & ResourcesTypeform (Throughout): Where Kay-Kay leads Content & Social, a Series-C PLG SaaS company.Contentful (07:33): The legacy CMS that slowed content velocity at Typeform.Webflow (07:33; 17:58): The modular CMS now powering Typeform’s content launches.MKT1 / Emily Kramer (09:49; 11:21; 16:47): Source of the “fuel & engine” analogy and content inspiration.Dear Marketer podcast (16:47): Emily Kramer’s show featuring audience-driven Typeform surveys.Bluey, Blippi, Miss Rachel (03:27): Parental content references.Victoria's Secret “I’m No Angel” campaign (32:14): Creative inspiration for iFixit campaigns.Connect with Kay-Kay Clapp for more insights on enterprise content operations and creative leadership. Explore Typeform’s blog to see these strategies in action.Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast. You can also follow us on X or LinkedIn.

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• Breaking Down the Walls of Enterprise Content Marketing (Season Intro)

  “How do the largest, most complex B2B SaaS teams actually get content out the door?”Season 2 of the Animalz Podcast kicks off with hosts Ty Magnin (CEO) and Tim Metz (Director of Marketing and Innovation) pulling back the curtain on the real world of enterprise content marketing.Ty shares firsthand lessons from leading content at UiPath during hypergrowth, while Tim brings an outsider’s perspective, asking the “obvious” (and sometimes “stupid”) questions that rarely get answered. Together, they dig into why enterprise content operations are so complex, what’s really happening behind all the process and politics, and what they hope to learn from the experts they’ll interview this season.This season, you’ll hear how top B2B SaaS leaders:Build systems that keep content moving amid endless requests.Navigate stakeholder overload, shifting priorities, and org chart mazes.Move content teams from service roles to strategic drivers.Use AI in practical ways, at scale.Get content out the door — and how you can apply their lessons, whatever your team size.Upcoming guests:Kay-Kay Clapp – Head of Content & Social, Typeform (May 27)Heike Young – Head of Content, Social & Integrated Marketing, Microsoft AI (June 3)Rhonda Hughes – former VP, Brand Content & Audience, Spiceworks (June 10)Matt Hummel – VP of Marketing, Pipeline360 (June 17)Aditya Vempaty – VP of Marketing, MoEngage (June 24)More guests to be announced!For more info and all episodes, visit animalz.co/podcast.Timestamped overview00:00 — Welcome & season 2 mission:Ty and Tim introduce the new season’s focus on enterprise content marketing and what makes it so challenging and misunderstood.01:16 — Why enterprise?Ty reflects on leading content at UiPath, and what changes when you go from startup to scale.03:12 — Stereotypes vs. reality:Tim calls out common myths about enterprise content—bureaucracy, politics, and process overload.05:05 — From chaos to operating system:Ty explains how building systems (and tiering content) helps teams regain control.07:09 — Handling stakeholders & prioritization:How to navigate requests from across the org, prioritize work, and avoid being stuck in the middle.08:28 — Complexity at Microsoft and beyond:The challenge of managing content across huge organizations, and the power of using the org chart.09:49 — What actually changes at scale:How reporting, collaboration, and content’s role shift as teams grow.12:09 — Lessons for agencies & startups:Why understanding enterprise reality helps everyone—agencies, freelancers, and smaller companies.13:13 — Season sneak peek:A preview of standout guest stories and the big questions ahead.14:00 — Wrapping up & looking forward:Why these stories matter, and what listeners can expect from the rest of the season.

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• Yes, There Is Value in AI & Content: Season Wrap-up

  In this season finale, hosts Ty Magnin and Tim Metz reflect on what they've learned from their conversations with seven AI content pioneers. They distill the key themes that emerged, from AI as a writing partner rather than a replacement to the rise of personality-driven marketing, and consider what the next 12 months might bring for content teams adopting AI.The hosts revisit their initial question — "Is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?" — and conclude that yes, there is, though the applications are more nuanced than the hype suggests. They also announce their next season's focus on Enterprise Content.Timestamps00:00 Introduction and season recap question: Is there value in AI for content?01:00 Key themes from the season's conversations02:00 AI as a writing partner, not a replacement04:00 Systems and workflows as the new competitive edge08:00 The rise of personality as a critical element in marketing11:00 The changing future of search and discovery13:00 Predictions for the next 12 months of AI in content15:00 What the hosts stole from their guests (voice memos, prompt techniques)18:00 Second-order effects of AI adoption in content21:00 Announcement of the next season on Enterprise ContentMentioned Links & ResourcesChatGPT (02:00): Referenced throughout as the baseline for AI content creation, though with limitations for complex workflows.Lex (02:00): Nathan Baschez's AI writing tool mentioned when discussing AI as a thinking partner.Copy.ai (04:00): Kyle Coleman's platform, referenced for its impact on content workflows and delivering 70% of demand.Daydream (09:00): Thenuka Karunaratne's company, mentioned for insights on programmatic SEO beyond "spray and pray" approaches.Mutiny (09:00): Where Stewart Hillhouse developed integrated campaigns before joining StoryArb.StoryArb (09:00): Content firm where Stewart Hillhouse now serves as VP of Content, implementing his AI team structure concepts.Letterdrop (09:00): Parthi Loganathan's platform that pivoted from SEO to LinkedIn-focused content for the "99%" of professionals.Ali Abdaal (09:00): YouTube creator whose Head of Content, Ines Lee, discussed maintaining authenticity at scale.AirOps (09:00): Alex Halliday's company that builds sophisticated 30-50 step AI workflows for content teams.Cursor (11:00): Code editor with AI pair-programming features that Tim used to build the SEO Forecasting Tool.SEO Forecasting Tool (11:00): Internal tool built by Tim using AI assistance, demonstrating how marketers can create custom solutions.UiPath (21:00): Enterprise automation company where Ty previously led a large content team, mentioned when discussing the next season's Enterprise Content focus.Nathan Baschez's Annual Letter for Lex (24:00): Recommended reading on how AI "coaches" can be tailored to different writing styles.Follow Animalz on Twitter or LinkedIn for updates on the upcoming Enterprise Content season.Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast.

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• Alex Halliday (AirOps) on Making AI Content That’s Impossible to Copy

  Alex Halliday takes us from Silicon Valley's coffee shops to the cutting edge of AI content strategy. He reveals how his company AirOps helps brands build sophisticated 50-step AI workflows that transform basic prompts into high-performing content. As founder and CEO, Alex shares his "treasure hunt" approach to uncovering unique organizational data and explains why the future belongs to content that's "impossible to copy."Drawing on his connections with OpenAI's leadership and experience implementing AI in real business contexts, Alex offers practical advice for content teams navigating the shift to AI-driven search — from optimizing for the "new middleman" of LLM-based experiences to finding the hidden knowledge assets that exist in every organization.About Our Guest: Alex HallidayAlex Halliday is the founder and CEO of AirOps, a platform that helps brands drive organic growth through AI-powered content strategies. The company began in the data space before pivoting to help creative teams get more value from AI than they could achieve out of the box.Before AirOps, Alex worked at Teespring, Masterclass, and Bungalow, building product expertise that informed his approach to AI workflow design. He has maintained connections in the AI world, including with OpenAI's Sam Altman, giving him unique insights on where the real value in AI is accruing: not just in the models themselves, but also in the implementation layer.About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & ContentHello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.Timestamps00:00 "It takes 30-50 steps, not 5-10, to create excellent AI content"02:00 How Alex uses AI for research and information discovery04:00 Moving into the "perfect information age" with AI synthesis06:00 AI's impact on learning and creativity: benefits and risks07:00 Alex's background and how AirOps evolved09:00 Why human oversight remains essential in AI content workflows11:00 Alex's connection to Sam Altman and early days in San Francisco14:00 Where the real value is accruing in the AI landscape15:00 The new rules of AI content: winning by being impossible to copy17:00 Three types of content that AI can't easily replicate20:00 Inside AirOps: How the platform builds sophisticated AI workflows23:00 Advice for content teams doing "spray and pray" SEO26:00 Finding your organization's unique "gold veins" of content28:00 How to optimize content for the "new middleman" of AI search32:00 Why Alex studies AI search despite leading a content creation platform35:00 AirOps' strategic focus on content creation despite AI's broader potential38:00 Alex's AI moonshot idea: context-rich meeting assistantsMentioned Links & ResourcesAirOps (00:08:00): Alex's platform that helps brands create advanced AI content workflows.OpenAI Deep Research (00:02:00): A research tool Alex uses to discover content he " wouldn't have found otherwise."Teespring, Masterclass, Bungalow, SocialGo (00:07:00): Companies where Alex worked, mentioned when discussing his background before founding AirOps.ChatGPT (00:17:00): Referenced as the foundational AI model that more sophisticated workflows build upon.Claude (00:20:00): An alternative AI model mentioned for multi-model workflows.Schema.org (00:30:00): HTML schemas for information structures to improve AI readability.HubSpot (00:24:00): Referenced in discussion about content that strays from topical authority.”Everybody Wants Thought Leadership Content” (00:43:00): Animalz article on "earned secrets" mentioned in the wrap-up discussion about finding unique organizational insights.Follow Alex Halliday on LinkedIn or reach him at [email protected] to discuss AI content innovations and opportunities.Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast. You can also follow us on X (https://x.com/AnimalzCo) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/animalz/).

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• Ines Lee on Using AI to Grow Ali Abdaal's 6M+ YouTube Empire

  In this episode, Ines Lee shares her journey from teaching economics at Oxford to leading content for Ali Abdaal's 6-million-subscriber YouTube empire. She offers practical insights into how her team balances AI efficiency with human creativity across their content operations.While highlighting various AI-powered workflows — from video editing to content repurposing — Ines emphasizes that AI excels at producing "adequate" content but lacks the personality that makes content truly memorable: "It's like a cover band that really hits all the notes perfectly, but you're never gonna feel that element of jazz."For B2B marketers, she shares valuable lessons from the creator economy, including how to leverage personal brands and treat content as a product itself.About Our Guest: Ines LeeInes Lee is the Head of Content for Ali Abdaal, a top YouTuber with over 6 million subscribers. Her unconventional path from academia to content creation began with a PhD in economics at Oxford and a postdoc at Cambridge before joining Ali's team in 2021.Ines initially balanced academia with content writing as a side gig. In late 2023, she fully committed to creative work when she stepped into her current role. She now leads a team responsible for YouTube videos, newsletters, and social media content that generate revenue through AdSense, partnerships, and sponsorships.Ines recently launched her own Substack, Side Road 38.About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & ContentHello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.Timestamps00:00 "AI is like a cover band that hits all the notes perfectly"01:00 Introduction to Ines Lee and today's conversation03:00 Ines's content consumption habits: The Second Mountain and recent films04:00 From PhD in economics at Oxford to content creation for Ali Abdaal06:00 How economics training informs content strategy07:00 The structure of a major YouTube creator's content team09:00 How the ideation process works for YouTube videos10:00 When AI first entered Ines's workflow (summer 2023)11:00 Three main buckets of AI usage: video editing, content repurposing, and analysis13:00 Using AI to reverse-engineer Ali's voice and build style guides14:00 Why human judgment remains essential despite AI assistance16:00 B2B lessons from the creator economy: the power of personal brands18:00 Treating content as a product: what B2B can learn from creators20:00 Ali's expansion into AI software with VoicePal23:00 "AI gives us adequate content but lacks personality and jazz"25:00 Current limitations of AI-generated video content26:00 Developing custom AI agents to improve short-form content selection29:00 Ines's AI prompt methodology: analyze first, then generate30:00 "75% of good writing is thinking" - setting appropriate AI boundaries32:00 A day in the life: how AI assists their YouTube content workflow36:00 Where to follow Ines: LinkedIn and Side Road 38 on SubstackMentioned Links & ResourcesThe Second Mountain (00:03:00): A book by David Brooks on meaning and purpose that Ines mentioned she's reread.Emilia Perez (00:03:00): A film Ines recently watched and enjoyed.The Substance (00:03:00): A film with Demi Moore that Ines and Ty found intense.Ali Abdaal YouTube Channel (00:07:00): Ali's main content platform with over 6 million subscribers.Part-Time YouTuber Academy (00:07:00): An info product by Ali that teaches creators how to grow their YouTube channels.Productivity Lab (00:08:00): A 2023 membership program to help people double their productivity.Fire Cut (00:11:00): An AI video editing tool that has cut Ali's team's editing time in half.Grain (00:13:00): For call recordings/transcripts that feed into AI-driven writing workflows.Adam Robinson (00:16:00): B2B founder (Retention.com) with strong LinkedIn presence.Stuart Machin (00:17:00): Marks & Spencer CEO cited for personal brand-led content.Dana Strong (00:17:00): Sky Group executive using personal content and social to boost brand presence.doola (00:19:00): A startup whose founder uses educational content for growth.Founder-Led Content: Blitz-Scaling Social with doola's Arjun Mahadevan (00:19:00): The Animalz interview with doola's founder mentioned by Tim.VoicePal (00:22:00): Ali's new AI app that converts voice memos into content drafts by asking follow-up questions and formatting responses.HeyGen and ElevenLabs (00:25:00): AI tools for creating avatars and voiceovers that Ines mentions when discussing current AI video generation.Stay Strong: Never Let AI Fill Your Blank Page (00:30:00): Tim Metz's article on the Animalz blog that Ines cites as important to her thinking on "human vs. AI tasks" in content creation.ChatGPT and Claude (00:32:00): Language models Ines and team use for brainstorming and drafting.Spotter Studio and 1of10 (00:33:00): AI tools that optimize YouTube content by analyzing historical performance data.Elicit (00:34:00): An AI research tool Ines' team uses to find and analyze scientific papers for evidence-based content.Follow Ines Lee on LinkedIn and subscribe to her Substack, Side Road 38.Enjoyed this conversation? 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