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  • Yes, There Is Value in AI & Content: Season Wrap-up
    In this season finale, hosts Ty Magnin and Tim Metz reflect on what they've learned from their conversations with seven AI content pioneers. They distill the key themes that emerged, from AI as a writing partner rather than a replacement to the rise of personality-driven marketing, and consider what the next 12 months might bring for content teams adopting AI.The hosts revisit their initial question — "Is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?" — and conclude that yes, there is, though the applications are more nuanced than the hype suggests. They also announce their next season's focus on Enterprise Content.Timestamps00:00 Introduction and season recap question: Is there value in AI for content?01:00 Key themes from the season's conversations02:00 AI as a writing partner, not a replacement04:00 Systems and workflows as the new competitive edge08:00 The rise of personality as a critical element in marketing11:00 The changing future of search and discovery13:00 Predictions for the next 12 months of AI in content15:00 What the hosts stole from their guests (voice memos, prompt techniques)18:00 Second-order effects of AI adoption in content21:00 Announcement of the next season on Enterprise ContentMentioned Links & ResourcesChatGPT (02:00): Referenced throughout as the baseline for AI content creation, though with limitations for complex workflows.Lex (02:00): Nathan Baschez's AI writing tool mentioned when discussing AI as a thinking partner.Copy.ai (04:00): Kyle Coleman's platform, referenced for its impact on content workflows and delivering 70% of demand.Daydream (09:00): Thenuka Karunaratne's company, mentioned for insights on programmatic SEO beyond "spray and pray" approaches.Mutiny (09:00): Where Stewart Hillhouse developed integrated campaigns before joining StoryArb.StoryArb (09:00): Content firm where Stewart Hillhouse now serves as VP of Content, implementing his AI team structure concepts.Letterdrop (09:00): Parthi Loganathan's platform that pivoted from SEO to LinkedIn-focused content for the "99%" of professionals.Ali Abdaal (09:00): YouTube creator whose Head of Content, Ines Lee, discussed maintaining authenticity at scale.AirOps (09:00): Alex Halliday's company that builds sophisticated 30-50 step AI workflows for content teams.Cursor (11:00): Code editor with AI pair-programming features that Tim used to build the SEO Forecasting Tool.SEO Forecasting Tool (11:00): Internal tool built by Tim using AI assistance, demonstrating how marketers can create custom solutions.UiPath (21:00): Enterprise automation company where Ty previously led a large content team, mentioned when discussing the next season's Enterprise Content focus.Nathan Baschez's Annual Letter for Lex (24:00): Recommended reading on how AI "coaches" can be tailored to different writing styles.Follow Animalz on Twitter or LinkedIn for updates on the upcoming Enterprise Content season.Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast.
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  • Alex Halliday (AirOps) on Making AI Content That’s Impossible to Copy
    Alex Halliday takes us from Silicon Valley's coffee shops to the cutting edge of AI content strategy. He reveals how his company AirOps helps brands build sophisticated 50-step AI workflows that transform basic prompts into high-performing content. As founder and CEO, Alex shares his "treasure hunt" approach to uncovering unique organizational data and explains why the future belongs to content that's "impossible to copy."Drawing on his connections with OpenAI's leadership and experience implementing AI in real business contexts, Alex offers practical advice for content teams navigating the shift to AI-driven search — from optimizing for the "new middleman" of LLM-based experiences to finding the hidden knowledge assets that exist in every organization.About Our Guest: Alex HallidayAlex Halliday is the founder and CEO of AirOps, a platform that helps brands drive organic growth through AI-powered content strategies. The company began in the data space before pivoting to help creative teams get more value from AI than they could achieve out of the box.Before AirOps, Alex worked at Teespring, Masterclass, and Bungalow, building product expertise that informed his approach to AI workflow design. He has maintained connections in the AI world, including with OpenAI's Sam Altman, giving him unique insights on where the real value in AI is accruing: not just in the models themselves, but also in the implementation layer.About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & ContentHello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.Timestamps00:00 "It takes 30-50 steps, not 5-10, to create excellent AI content"02:00 How Alex uses AI for research and information discovery04:00 Moving into the "perfect information age" with AI synthesis06:00 AI's impact on learning and creativity: benefits and risks07:00 Alex's background and how AirOps evolved09:00 Why human oversight remains essential in AI content workflows11:00 Alex's connection to Sam Altman and early days in San Francisco14:00 Where the real value is accruing in the AI landscape15:00 The new rules of AI content: winning by being impossible to copy17:00 Three types of content that AI can't easily replicate20:00 Inside AirOps: How the platform builds sophisticated AI workflows23:00 Advice for content teams doing "spray and pray" SEO26:00 Finding your organization's unique "gold veins" of content28:00 How to optimize content for the "new middleman" of AI search32:00 Why Alex studies AI search despite leading a content creation platform35:00 AirOps' strategic focus on content creation despite AI's broader potential38:00 Alex's AI moonshot idea: context-rich meeting assistantsMentioned Links & ResourcesAirOps (00:08:00): Alex's platform that helps brands create advanced AI content workflows.OpenAI Deep Research (00:02:00): A research tool Alex uses to discover content he " wouldn't have found otherwise."Teespring, Masterclass, Bungalow, SocialGo (00:07:00): Companies where Alex worked, mentioned when discussing his background before founding AirOps.ChatGPT (00:17:00): Referenced as the foundational AI model that more sophisticated workflows build upon.Claude (00:20:00): An alternative AI model mentioned for multi-model workflows.Schema.org (00:30:00): HTML schemas for information structures to improve AI readability.HubSpot (00:24:00): Referenced in discussion about content that strays from topical authority.”Everybody Wants Thought Leadership Content” (00:43:00): Animalz article on "earned secrets" mentioned in the wrap-up discussion about finding unique organizational insights.Follow Alex Halliday on LinkedIn or reach him at [email protected] to discuss AI content innovations and opportunities.Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast. You can also follow us on X (https://x.com/AnimalzCo) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/animalz/).
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  • Ines Lee on Using AI to Grow Ali Abdaal's 6M+ YouTube Empire
    In this episode, Ines Lee shares her journey from teaching economics at Oxford to leading content for Ali Abdaal's 6-million-subscriber YouTube empire. She offers practical insights into how her team balances AI efficiency with human creativity across their content operations.While highlighting various AI-powered workflows — from video editing to content repurposing — Ines emphasizes that AI excels at producing "adequate" content but lacks the personality that makes content truly memorable: "It's like a cover band that really hits all the notes perfectly, but you're never gonna feel that element of jazz."For B2B marketers, she shares valuable lessons from the creator economy, including how to leverage personal brands and treat content as a product itself.About Our Guest: Ines LeeInes Lee is the Head of Content for Ali Abdaal, a top YouTuber with over 6 million subscribers. Her unconventional path from academia to content creation began with a PhD in economics at Oxford and a postdoc at Cambridge before joining Ali's team in 2021.Ines initially balanced academia with content writing as a side gig. In late 2023, she fully committed to creative work when she stepped into her current role. She now leads a team responsible for YouTube videos, newsletters, and social media content that generate revenue through AdSense, partnerships, and sponsorships.Ines recently launched her own Substack, Side Road 38.About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & ContentHello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.Timestamps00:00 "AI is like a cover band that hits all the notes perfectly"01:00 Introduction to Ines Lee and today's conversation03:00 Ines's content consumption habits: The Second Mountain and recent films04:00 From PhD in economics at Oxford to content creation for Ali Abdaal06:00 How economics training informs content strategy07:00 The structure of a major YouTube creator's content team09:00 How the ideation process works for YouTube videos10:00 When AI first entered Ines's workflow (summer 2023)11:00 Three main buckets of AI usage: video editing, content repurposing, and analysis13:00 Using AI to reverse-engineer Ali's voice and build style guides14:00 Why human judgment remains essential despite AI assistance16:00 B2B lessons from the creator economy: the power of personal brands18:00 Treating content as a product: what B2B can learn from creators20:00 Ali's expansion into AI software with VoicePal23:00 "AI gives us adequate content but lacks personality and jazz"25:00 Current limitations of AI-generated video content26:00 Developing custom AI agents to improve short-form content selection29:00 Ines's AI prompt methodology: analyze first, then generate30:00 "75% of good writing is thinking" - setting appropriate AI boundaries32:00 A day in the life: how AI assists their YouTube content workflow36:00 Where to follow Ines: LinkedIn and Side Road 38 on SubstackMentioned Links & ResourcesThe Second Mountain (00:03:00): A book by David Brooks on meaning and purpose that Ines mentioned she's reread.Emilia Perez (00:03:00): A film Ines recently watched and enjoyed.The Substance (00:03:00): A film with Demi Moore that Ines and Ty found intense.Ali Abdaal YouTube Channel (00:07:00): Ali's main content platform with over 6 million subscribers.Part-Time YouTuber Academy (00:07:00): An info product by Ali that teaches creators how to grow their YouTube channels.Productivity Lab (00:08:00): A 2023 membership program to help people double their productivity.Fire Cut (00:11:00): An AI video editing tool that has cut Ali's team's editing time in half.Grain (00:13:00): For call recordings/transcripts that feed into AI-driven writing workflows.Adam Robinson (00:16:00): B2B founder (Retention.com) with strong LinkedIn presence.Stuart Machin (00:17:00): Marks & Spencer CEO cited for personal brand-led content.Dana Strong (00:17:00): Sky Group executive using personal content and social to boost brand presence.doola (00:19:00): A startup whose founder uses educational content for growth.Founder-Led Content: Blitz-Scaling Social with doola's Arjun Mahadevan (00:19:00): The Animalz interview with doola's founder mentioned by Tim.VoicePal (00:22:00): Ali's new AI app that converts voice memos into content drafts by asking follow-up questions and formatting responses.HeyGen and ElevenLabs (00:25:00): AI tools for creating avatars and voiceovers that Ines mentions when discussing current AI video generation.Stay Strong: Never Let AI Fill Your Blank Page (00:30:00): Tim Metz's article on the Animalz blog that Ines cites as important to her thinking on "human vs. AI tasks" in content creation.ChatGPT and Claude (00:32:00): Language models Ines and team use for brainstorming and drafting.Spotter Studio and 1of10 (00:33:00): AI tools that optimize YouTube content by analyzing historical performance data.Elicit (00:34:00): An AI research tool Ines' team uses to find and analyze scientific papers for evidence-based content.Follow Ines Lee on LinkedIn and subscribe to her Substack, Side Road 38.Enjoyed this conversation? 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  • Parthi Longanathan (Letterdrop) on AI-Powered Social Selling for the 99%
    In this episode, Parthi Longanathan explains why his company pivoted from SEO content tools to LinkedIn-focused social selling and how this shift reflects broader changes in the content marketing landscape. After seeing declining demand for SEO services and changing search behaviors due to AI tools, Parthi recognized that AI-assisted, personality-driven content was becoming the clearer path to revenue.Letterdrop now helps companies turn internal expertise into consistent trust-building LinkedIn content for sales and executive teams. Rather than chasing virality, Parthi focuses on helping everyday professionals create content that resonates with the small subset of people who matter: their prospective customers.About Our Guest: Parthi LonganathanParthi Longanathan is the founder and CEO of Letterdrop. He worked as a product manager at Google on the search team and G Suite (now Google Workspace), giving him unique insights on how search works behind the scenes.After leaving Google in 2019, Parthi founded Letterdrop, initially focused on helping marketers create high-quality SEO content by streamlining research and connecting content to revenue. In 2023, noticing changes in search behavior and declining demand for SEO services, he made the strategic decision to pivot toward LinkedIn-focused content solutions.About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & ContentHello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.Check out other episodes in the season hereTimestamps00:00 "I think a lot of people just misunderstand how to use LinkedIn"02:00 Current trends in the RevOps space04:00 Knowledge work automation and relationship-building06:00 Parthi's background at Google and Letterdrop's evolution08:00 Why Letterdrop pivoted from SEO to LinkedIn10:00 Google search principles from an insider's perspective13:00 How content marketers should think about search16:00 The future of search and declining SEO investment19:00 How Letterdrop's original SEO product worked23:00 Building the LinkedIn growth engine for sales teams26:00 Components of an effective LinkedIn strategy28:00 Focusing on influencing "the thousand people who matter"31:00 How AI enhances Letterdrop's LinkedIn content system34:00 The reality about most people's "tone of voice"37:00 The future of content marketing and knowledge workMentioned Links & ResourcesBrian LaManna, Nate Nasralla, and Isaiah Crossman (00:03:00): Sales experts Parthi follows for insights into the sales and RevOps space.Letterdrop (00:05:00): Parthi's company, which pivoted from SEO content tools to LinkedIn social selling systems.Google Workspace (00:06:00): Formerly G Suite, a product Parthi worked on at Google.LinkedIn (00:07:00): The platform where Letterdrop now helps companies build personal brands and relationships with prospects.Google Search (00:10:00): Where Parthi worked as a product manager, gaining insights into how search algorithms evaluate content.ChatGPT and Gemini (00:17:00): AI tools changing Parthi's search behavior that led him to reconsider his business direction.Surfer and Clearscope (00:19:00): SEO tools Parthi mentions when explaining alternative approaches to content optimization.Clearbit and 6sense (00:20:00): Tools mentioned for identifying website visitors and connecting content to revenue.Adam Robinson (00:23:00): Referenced as an example of someone with strong personal brand who receives high response rates.Follow Parthi Longanathan on LinkedIn: "I'm there posting helpful, thoughtful stuff three to four times a week. At least half of it is created by Letterdrop."Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast.You can also follow us on X (https://x.com/AnimalzCo) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/animalz/).
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  • Stewart Hillhouse on the AI Playbook for Tomorrow’s Content Teams
    In this episode, Stewart Hillhouse shares a refreshingly practical perspective on how content teams can thrive in an AI-accelerated environment. Fresh from a three-year run as Head of Content at Mutiny and now heading to StoryArb as VP of Content, Stewart offers concrete workflows, AI prompting techniques, and a clear vision for how content teams should restructure for maximum impact.His approach emphasizes both speed and creativity—advocating for shorter planning horizons, integrated quarterly campaigns, and transparent marketing that acknowledges the audience's sophistication. Most importantly, he provides a framework for the "content team of the future" that leverages AI for operational tasks while positioning humans as strategic directors and personality-driven marketers.About Our Guest: Stewart HillhouseStewart Hillhouse has just completed a three-year tenure as Head of Content at Mutiny, where he developed campaigns that generated millions in pipeline while witnessing the company's growth from Series A through the emergence of generative AI. His background is unconventional — he started his career in forestry before making a pivot into content marketing through a self-initiated podcast where he interviewed marketing leaders.Stewart is now beginning a new chapter as VP of Content at storyarb, where he'll focus on newsletter and narrative editorial content. Throughout his career, he has maintained a commitment to experimentation and knowledge-sharing, regularly publishing his techniques and insights for the broader marketing community.About This Season of the Animalz Podcast: AI & ContentHello... is there anybody out there creating real value with AI?The AI conversation in content marketing has become deafening — skeptics shouting from one side, shallow tips from enthusiasts on the other. But somewhere in this noise, there must be pioneers who've actually figured something out, right?We've gone on a search for the real pioneers — the ones who've ventured beyond the hype to succeed (or fail) spectacularly. Through their hard-won insights, we'll discover if there's actually something of value hiding in the noise, or if we're all just shouting into the void.Timestamps00:00 "You can't think more than 90 days ahead in today's environment"02:00 From forestry to content marketing through podcasting05:00 Building integrated campaigns at Mutiny07:00 The "Survivor" campaign: 10,000 participants, millions in pipeline09:00 Why timeliness trumps perfect execution11:00 Joining StoryArb as VP of Content13:00 "Don't write your own prompts" - The meta AI hack16:00 Using AI but owning the final result18:00 Feeding AI unexpected combinations for creative output20:00 Three foundational guardrails for consistent AI content24:00 "I'm no longer a better writer than AI"26:00 From creation to operations: the changing content role27:00 The future content team: personality marketers, operators, and directors33:00 The open source target account list campaign36:00 Breaking the fourth wall in B2B marketing40:00 The AI research hack: finding relevant podcast segmentsMentioned Links & ResourcesMutiny (00:05:00): Stewart's previous company, a personalization platform.Survivor Campaign (00:07:00): Stewart's AI-focused campaign that generated millions in pipeline.Storyarb (00:11:00): The agency Stewart is joining as VP of Content.95% Content (00:13:00): Podcast where Stewart previously shared AI content tips.DeepSeek (00:20:00): A newer AI model Stewart mentions.Claude and ChatGPT (00:22:00): AI tools Stewart uses with project/memory features.Open Source Target Account List (00:33:00): A groundbreaking ABM campaign where Mutiny publicly shared their 5,000 target accounts and created personalized microsites for each one.Follow Stewart Hillhouse on LinkedIn where he regularly shares content marketing insights.Enjoyed this conversation? Subscribe to our podcast wherever you listen to podcasts, or head over to https://animalz.co/podcast.You can also follow us on X (https://x.com/AnimalzCo) or LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/animalz/).
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