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The Forest School Podcast

Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden
The Forest School Podcast
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  • The Forest School Podcast

    Ep 242 - Expectations VS Reality in 2026

    28/03/2026 | 59 mins.
    This episode explores the realities of forest school leadership, challenging idealized expectations with authentic experiences. Hosts Wem and Lewis share insights on community building, industry myths, and the importance of authenticity in outdoor education.

    keywords

    forest school, outdoor education, community building, training realities, outdoor leadership, nature-based learning

    key topics

    Myths vs. reality of forest school training
    Community building and relationship management
    Flexibility and adaptability in outdoor education

    Chapters

    00:00 The Long-Tailed Tit's Nest Discovery
    05:28 Springtime Adventures and Nature's Bounty
    06:34 The Reality of Forest School Training
    11:45 Expectations vs. Reality in Outdoor Education
    19:48 The Challenges of Flexibility in Outdoor Settings
    25:57 Nature Bypassing and the Business of Outdoor Education
    31:58 Navigating the Business Side of Forest School
    34:24 Navigating Code Switching in Education
    37:25 The Journey of Continuous Learning
    40:35 Community Holding Beyond the Classroom
    45:23 Creating a Homely Outdoor Environment
    50:24 The Punk Spirit of Forest School
    57:18 The Future of Community-Funded Education
    59:22 Pod Fart.mp4

    resources

    Forest School Association - https://forestschoolassociation.org/
    Nests by Susan Ogilvie - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nests-Susan-Ogilvie/dp/XXXXXX
    Ofsted - https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ofsted
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    Ep 241 - Ludobotany II: Loose Parts

    28/02/2026 | 51 mins.
    This episode explores the fascinating world of loose parts in outdoor play, focusing on natural resources like trees, seeds, and bark. Discover criteria for selecting the best loose parts, the importance of seasonality, and creative ideas for outdoor activities.

    loose parts, outdoor play, natural resources, forest school, foraging, play ideas, nature-based learning

    key topics
    Criteria for selecting loose parts
    Seasonality and availability of resources
    Creative uses of natural materials in play
    Guide to Loose Parts in Outdoor Play
    How to Choose the Best Natural Loose Parts for Play

    Chapters

    00:00 Echidna's Unique Anatomy
    03:36 Exploring Loose Parts Play
    06:35 Criteria for Loose Parts
    09:32 The Role of Volume and Rarity
    12:41 Malleability and Versatility in Loose Parts
    15:35 Sensory Experiences with Loose Parts
    18:36 Accessibility and Processing of Loose Parts
    21:33 The Value of Foraging for Loose Parts
    25:00 The Value of Foraging in Outdoor Play
    27:38 Functions of Loose Parts in Play
    30:17 Exploring the Best Loose Parts for Play
    33:13 The Debate on Non-Native Loose Parts
    37:14 The Role of Bark and Heavy Loose Parts
    40:37 Choosing the Right Materials for Den Building
    42:34 Dreaming Up the Perfect Mud Kitchen
    48:27 The Ecological Impact of Using Loose Parts
    51:41 Pod Sheep.mp4

    resources

    No Such Thing As A Fish Podcast - https://www.nosuchthingasafish.com/
    Scientists unravel the mystery of echidna's bizarre four-headed penis - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00145-4
    Forest School Resources - https://www.forestschool.co.uk/
    Gum Trees and Bark Resources - https://www.britannica.com/plant/gum-tree
    Conker Game and History - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conkers
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    Ep 240 - The Score by Thi Nguyen

    16/02/2026 | 1h 17 mins.
    Keywords

    weather, play, philosophy, achievement, agency, creativity, metrics, education, value capture, qualitative assessment

    Summary

    In this conversation, Lewis and Wem explore various themes surrounding play, philosophy, and the impact of metrics on society. They discuss the importance of play in fostering creativity and social connections, the differences between striving and achievement players, and the role of constraints in enhancing creativity. The conversation also delves into the concept of value capture, the influence of technology on perception, and the need for qualitative assessments in education. They conclude by reflecting on the importance of process over product and the future of education in relation to play.

    Takeaways

    Mud everywhere!
    The weather can be deceiving.
    Books can deeply engage us.
    Play has philosophical implications.
    Striving players focus on the process.
    Constraints can enhance creativity.
    Value capture influences our perceptions.
    Metrics can simplify complex ideas.
    Education often prioritizes quantifiable data.
    The process of play is more important than the outcome.

    Titles

    Exploring the Mud: Weather and Play
    The Philosophy of Play and Learning

    sound bites

    "There's mud everywhere!"
    "This book is amazing!"
    "The process is beautiful!"

    Chapters

    00:00 The Muddy Reality of Weather
    08:16 Exploring the Depths of Play and Philosophy
    11:08 Understanding Player Mindsets: Achievement vs. Striving
    14:22 Facilitating Play: Agency and Autonomy in Games
    17:24 The Role of Games in Social Dynamics
    20:15 Process Beauty in Games: The Art of Overcoming Obstacles
    23:06 The Purpose vs. Goal in Play: Social Connection Over Competition
    37:08 The Sensual Act of Information Management
    40:21 Nature Connection and Purpose
    43:35 Metrics, Value Capture, and Scoring Systems
    50:16 The Influence of Technology on Perception
    56:47 The Four Horsemen of Value Capture
    01:05:55 The Balance of Quantitative and Qualitative Metrics
    01:10:41 Exploring Pedagogies and Their Metrics
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    Ep 239 - Community Woods with Susan Barker from Avon Needs Trees

    31/01/2026 | 1h
    Keywords

    tree planting, community engagement, climate action, Avon Needs Trees, sustainable practices, tree care, volunteerism, Echo Wood, environmental awareness, biodiversity

    Summary

    In this engaging conversation, Wem speaks with Susan Barker from Avon Needs Trees about the importance of community tree planting and care. Susan shares her journey from academia to horticulture, highlighting the mission of Avon Needs Trees in combating climate change through woodland creation. They discuss the significance of community involvement, sustainable practices in tree care, and the emotional aspects of confronting climate change. The conversation also touches on the innovative Echo Wood project, which aims to create a living artwork through tree planting, and the importance of fostering connections with nature.

    Takeaways

    Susan Barker transitioned from academia to horticulture due to stress and a desire to work with nature.
    Avon Needs Trees focuses on creating permanent woodlands to combat climate change and biodiversity loss.
    Community engagement is crucial for the success of tree planting initiatives.
    Sustainable tree care practices are essential for the long-term health of planted trees.
    Volunteers play a significant role in tree planting and care, fostering a sense of ownership.
    Echo Wood is a living artwork project that involves planting 365 trees in a circular design.
    Emotional well-being is supported through active participation in environmental initiatives.
    The organization emphasizes the importance of local actions in response to global climate issues.
    Conversations about climate change should balance despair with hope and actionable steps.
    The survival rate of trees planted by Avon Needs Trees is impressively high, averaging around 93%.

    Sound bites

    "The tree care is so meditative."
    "We want to have those conversations."
    "It's the little things that citizens do that matter."

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Avon Needs Trees and Susan Barker
    07:39 Susan's Journey from Academia to Horticulture
    12:46 The Birth of Avon Needs Trees
    18:49 Land Acquisition and Community Engagement
    25:09 Tree Planting and Care Practices
    29:43 The Challenges of Tree Planting
    30:50 Creating a Community Woodland
    32:27 Survival Rates and Long-Term Care
    34:50 Engaging the Community
    41:44 Introducing Echo Wood
    49:22 Confronting Climate Change Emotionally
    01:00:21 Pod Cat.mp4
  • The Forest School Podcast

    Ep 238: 238 - Play Prophecies

    23/01/2026 | 1h 1 mins.
    In this episode, Wem and Lewis explore the philosophical and societal implications of play, discussing how it shapes childhood development and adult behavior. They delve into the idea that play is not merely a preparation for adulthood but a vital part of life itself, influencing social interactions and personal growth. The conversation also touches on the impact of adult perceptions on children's play and the broader cultural narratives surrounding play.

    Keywords

    play, childhood development, adult behavior, social interactions, personal growth, societal perceptions, cultural narratives, essential play, children, adults

    Takeaways

    Play is a vital part of life, not just preparation for adulthood.
    Adult perceptions can influence children's play experiences.
    Play shapes social interactions and personal growth.
    Cultural narratives impact how play is valued.
    Philosophical discussions on the essence of play are explored.
    Play is essential for both children and adults.
    The role of play in childhood development is multifaceted.
    Play can reflect societal issues and biases.
    Understanding play requires a holistic view of its impact.
    Play is a fundamental aspect of human experience.

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About The Forest School Podcast

Wem Southerden & Lewis Ames have run Forest School and training centre Children of the Forest since 2017. The Forest School Podcast was born when they wondered if their daily wafflechats and reflections about pedagogy, play and nature connection might be of interest to others. The podcast aims to inform and support educators, parents, outdoor and play practitioners and anyone interested in nature and the outdoors. Through book reviews – interviews with experts, practitioners and authors – sharing our experience as educators and business owners – deep dives on fascinating topics –
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