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The Forest School Podcast

Lewis Ames and Wem Southerden
The Forest School Podcast
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    Ep 245 - Folklore and Neo-Enclosure w/ Nik Elvy

    11/05/2026 | 1h 1 mins.
    In this podcast, Nik Elvy, an artist, outdoor educator, and researcher, shares insights on neo-enclosure, folk traditions, and the impact of history on contemporary society.
    We explored themes of land access, cultural heritage, and social justice, offering a deep dive into how history and folklore shape our present and future.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Personal Anecdotes
    01:18 Nick Elvie's Background and Recent Work
    03:01 Understanding Neo-Enclosure: Definitions and Examples
    04:59 Green Spaces, Parking, and Neo-Enclosure
    06:48 Community Spaces and Exclusion
    09:01 Meeting with the Secretary of State on Poverty
    11:55 Poverty, Epigenetics, and Family History
    15:56 Historical Land Rights and Enclosure Movements
    20:02 Folklore, Folk Practices, and Cultural Heritage
    29:54 The Folk Renaissance and Cultural Appropriation
    39:57 Community Engagement and Folk Traditions
    50:05 Contemporary Challenges: Gentrification and Cultural Loss
    57:58 The Role of Outdoor Education and Land Access
    01:00:00 Closing Remarks and Resources

    Folklorican on Substack - https://folklorican.substack.com/
    Folkloric on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/folkloric
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    Ep 244 - Sustainable Soil Alliance

    02/05/2026 | 44 mins.
    Unlocking the Secrets of Soil: An Interview with Ellen Fay from the Sustainable Soils Alliance
    Discover the fascinating world beneath our feet with Ellen Fay, a passionate advocate for soil health and biodiversity. In this episode, we delve into what soil really is, why it's vital for our planet, and how we can all contribute to its preservation.
    Main Topics:
    The fundamental composition and diversity of soil across different landscapes
    The significance of soil as a living ecosystem and its role in climate change mitigation
    Threats to soil health including erosion, contamination, compaction, and land use
    Practical ways for schools and individuals to support soil conservation
    The importance of policy and research gaps in soil protection efforts
    Key Insights:
    Soil is a complex living ecosystem made up of minerals, organic matter, water, air, and a vast diversity of microorganisms and fauna.
    There are over 750 recognized soil types in the UK, each requiring specific management practices.
    Soil degradation poses significant threats to biodiversity, water management, and climate regulation.
    Protecting leaf litter, avoiding soil compaction, and understanding local soil types are critical practices for environmental stewardship.
    National soil monitoring and policies need nurturing to safeguard soil for future generations.
    Small everyday actions, such as avoiding peat and engaging kids in soil exploration, can make a substantial impact.
    Timestamps:
    00:44 - Introduction to Ellen Fay and her journey into soil advocacy

    01:33 - The importance of soil knowledge and the role of the Sustainable Soils Alliance

    05:23 - Simplified explanation of what soil is and its components

    09:36 - Diversity of soil types across the UK and their formation

    12:53 - How ancient woodland soils differ and why they are slow to recover

    15:00 - The debate over leaf litter and soil layers in forests

    17:31 - The vulnerability of soils and threats from land use and construction

    21:15 - The impact of soil compaction and how to remediate it

    24:52 - The ecosystem functions of soil and its importance for water and carbon storage

    29:52 - Current national initiatives and policies for soil protection

    32:18 - Practical actions individuals and schools can take to promote soil health

    40:45 - The potential impacts of using woodchip on pathways and soil protection

    42:48 - Final advice on making informed decisions to safeguard soil
    Resources & Links:
    Sustainable Soils Alliance
    UK Soil Map & Data
    Book: "Teaming with Microbes" by Jeff Lowenfels
    Research on Soil Biodiversity
    Understanding Soil Erosion and Conservation
    Connect with Ellen Fay:
    LinkedIn
    Twitter
    Website
    Additional notes:
    Ellen emphasises the crucial role of education, policy reform, and everyday actions in preserving soil. Engaging children in soil ecology — through activities like wormeries and plant growth experiments — fosters early appreciation and stewardship of this vital resource.
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    Ep 243 - New Site, PHDs & Slop Chat!

    24/04/2026 | 43 mins.
    We recorded this one outside in the sunshine, which felt almost unreasonably good. Wem and I had a lot to catch up on and approximately no plan for how to do it. This is what came out.Wem started with a holiday debrief from the Picos de Europa in northern Spain. A campervan, the mountains, storks nesting on telegraph poles, vultures, a scops owl that everyone else in the vicinity mistook for a car alarm, and a brief but passionate argument for why campervans are the best possible holiday format for families who find transitions hard. There is also a detour into the biggest swing in Spain and a childhood memory of Wem's involving shoes, fences, and wet morning grass that I will not spoil.Then I had some news to share. The woodland is growing. I have agreed a price on a flat, bluebell-filled acre right next to the existing site, which takes Children of the Forest from three acres of north-west-facing hill to over four acres, with open canopy, big old oaks, and a completely different feel to everything I have worked in for the last decade. Ten years to the month, as it happens. We talk about what that kind of change feels like when you have been going through a flat patch, and why Looby McNamara's Cultural Emergence design web has come back off the shelf to help me think through what comes next.Wem also gives a PhD update. Coming to the end of year one, with a redrafted research proposal about play at forest school in progress. We have a really honest conversation about what it feels like to step back into being a beginner when you have spent years being experienced in your field, about research ethics and children, who actually benefits from data, and what genuinely participatory research can look like when children are co-creators rather than subjects.And then we both get a bit ranty, in the best way, about AI-generated event posters, what folk art actually is, the difference between collecting skills and collecting outputs, and why a badly made Word document flyer tells you more about an event and the person running it than any AI image ever will. The Lost Folk gets a mention. So does an accordion Wem has apparently acquired. There is also a wren on a stump that derails everything completely for about two minutes and I have no regrets about that.References from this episode: Cultural Emergence by Looby McNamara, The Lost Folk, and the Bulworthy Project rewilding estate, where white storks are now nesting in the UK.
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    Ep 242 - Expectations VS Reality in 2026

    28/03/2026 | 59 mins.
    This episode explores the realities of forest school leadership, challenging idealized expectations with authentic experiences. Hosts Wem and Lewis share insights on community building, industry myths, and the importance of authenticity in outdoor education.

    keywords

    forest school, outdoor education, community building, training realities, outdoor leadership, nature-based learning

    key topics

    Myths vs. reality of forest school training
    Community building and relationship management
    Flexibility and adaptability in outdoor education

    Chapters

    00:00 The Long-Tailed Tit's Nest Discovery
    05:28 Springtime Adventures and Nature's Bounty
    06:34 The Reality of Forest School Training
    11:45 Expectations vs. Reality in Outdoor Education
    19:48 The Challenges of Flexibility in Outdoor Settings
    25:57 Nature Bypassing and the Business of Outdoor Education
    31:58 Navigating the Business Side of Forest School
    34:24 Navigating Code Switching in Education
    37:25 The Journey of Continuous Learning
    40:35 Community Holding Beyond the Classroom
    45:23 Creating a Homely Outdoor Environment
    50:24 The Punk Spirit of Forest School
    57:18 The Future of Community-Funded Education
    59:22 Pod Fart.mp4

    resources

    Forest School Association - https://forestschoolassociation.org/
    Nests by Susan Ogilvie - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nests-Susan-Ogilvie/dp/XXXXXX
    Ofsted - https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ofsted
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    Ep 241 - Ludobotany II: Loose Parts

    28/02/2026 | 51 mins.
    This episode explores the fascinating world of loose parts in outdoor play, focusing on natural resources like trees, seeds, and bark. Discover criteria for selecting the best loose parts, the importance of seasonality, and creative ideas for outdoor activities.

    loose parts, outdoor play, natural resources, forest school, foraging, play ideas, nature-based learning

    key topics
    Criteria for selecting loose parts
    Seasonality and availability of resources
    Creative uses of natural materials in play
    Guide to Loose Parts in Outdoor Play
    How to Choose the Best Natural Loose Parts for Play

    Chapters

    00:00 Echidna's Unique Anatomy
    03:36 Exploring Loose Parts Play
    06:35 Criteria for Loose Parts
    09:32 The Role of Volume and Rarity
    12:41 Malleability and Versatility in Loose Parts
    15:35 Sensory Experiences with Loose Parts
    18:36 Accessibility and Processing of Loose Parts
    21:33 The Value of Foraging for Loose Parts
    25:00 The Value of Foraging in Outdoor Play
    27:38 Functions of Loose Parts in Play
    30:17 Exploring the Best Loose Parts for Play
    33:13 The Debate on Non-Native Loose Parts
    37:14 The Role of Bark and Heavy Loose Parts
    40:37 Choosing the Right Materials for Den Building
    42:34 Dreaming Up the Perfect Mud Kitchen
    48:27 The Ecological Impact of Using Loose Parts
    51:41 Pod Sheep.mp4

    resources

    No Such Thing As A Fish Podcast - https://www.nosuchthingasafish.com/
    Scientists unravel the mystery of echidna's bizarre four-headed penis - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00145-4
    Forest School Resources - https://www.forestschool.co.uk/
    Gum Trees and Bark Resources - https://www.britannica.com/plant/gum-tree
    Conker Game and History - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conkers
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About The Forest School Podcast
Wem Southerden & Lewis Ames have run Forest School and training centre Children of the Forest since 2017. The Forest School Podcast was born when they wondered if their daily wafflechats and reflections about pedagogy, play and nature connection might be of interest to others. The podcast aims to inform and support educators, parents, outdoor and play practitioners and anyone interested in nature and the outdoors. Through book reviews – interviews with experts, practitioners and authors – sharing our experience as educators and business owners – deep dives on fascinating topics –
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