Data as the Fourth Pillar: How CDOs Can Move from "Cost Center" to "Offense" with Sujay Dutta and Siddharth Rajagopal
Sujay Dutta and Sidd Rajagopal, authors of "Data as the Fourth Pillar," join the show to make the compelling case that for C-suite leaders obsessed with AI, data must be elevated to the same level as people, process, and technology.They provide a practical playbook for Chief Data Officers (CDOs) to escape the "cost center" trap by focusing on the "demand side" (business value) instead of just the "supply side" (technology). They also introduce frameworks like "Data Intensity" and "Total Addressable Value (TAV)" for data.We also tackle the reality of AI "slopware" and the "Great Pacific garbage patch" of junk data , explaining how to build the critical "context" (or "Data Intelligence Layer") that most GenAI projects are missing. Finally, they explain why the CDO must report directly to the CEO to play "offense," not defense.
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The 2025 MAD Landscape w/ Matt Turck
Matt Turck (VC at FirstMark) joins the show to break down the most controversial MAD (Machine Learning, AI, and Data) Landscape yet. This year, the team "declared bankruptcy" and cut over 1,000 logos to better reflect the market reality: a "Cambrian explosion" of AI companies and a fierce "struggle and tension between the very large companies and the startups".Matt discusses why incumbents are "absolutely not lazy" , which categories have "largely just gone away" (like Customer Data Platforms and Reverse ETL) , and what new categories (like AI Agents and Local AI) are emerging. We also cover his investment thesis in a world dominated by foundation models, the "very underestimated" European AI scene , and whether an AI could win a Nobel Prize by 2027.https://www.mattturck.com/mad2025
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Freestyle Fridays - The Road Warrior. Why I Travel, Travel Tips, and More
I travel a TON, and the most frequent questions I get relate to traveling: Why I do it and any tips I have for traveling. Here, I answer those questions and more.
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The Surprising Rise of FastMCP, a 1M+ Download/Day Hit w/ Jeremiah Lowin
Jeremiah Lowin, founder of Prefect , returns to the show to discuss the seismic shift in the data and AI landscape since our last conversation a few years ago. He shares the wild origin story of FastMCP, a project he started to create a more "Pythonic" wrapper for Anthropic's Model Context Protocol (MCP).Jeremiah explains how this side project was incorporated into Anthropic's official SDK and then exploded to over a million downloads a day after MCP gained support from OpenAI and Google.He clarifies why this is an complementary expansion for Prefect, not a pivot , and provides a simple analogy for MCP as the "USB-C for AI agents". Most surprisingly, Jeremiah reveals that the primary adoption of MCP isn't for external products, but internally by data teams who are using it to finally fulfill the promise of the self-serve semantic layer and create a governable, "LLM-free zone" for AI tools.
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Freestyle Fridays - Choosing Tools and Vendors, Having a Plan B, and More
I'm back, and give some notes from the road, thoughts on choosing tools and vendors, having a plan B for tools, and more.
What happens when a best-selling author and "recovering data scientist" gets a microphone? This podcast.
I'm Joe Reis, and each week I broadcast from wherever I am in the world, sharing candid thoughts on the data, tech, and AI industry.
Sometimes it's a solo rant. Other times, I'm chatting with the smartest people I know.
If you're looking for an unfiltered perspective on the state of AI, data, and tech, you've found it.
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