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The Successful Bookkeeper Podcast

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The Successful Bookkeeper Podcast
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    EP530: Ashley Jocic - No Time, No Problem: Building A Virtual Firm During Life Chaos

    05/05/2026 | 28 mins.
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    Ashley Jocic started Florida Keys Bookkeeping at one of the most turbulent moments imaginable: a separation, COVID shutdowns, and a career pivot — all at once. What followed was five years of growing a fully virtual bookkeeping firm while navigating a new marriage, a daughter, an international move to Serbia, and twins. This episode is a masterclass in building something real when life refuses to slow down.

    Chapters

    [00:00] Life chaos that sparked the business

    [04:18] Early career and Bookkeeper Launch

    [07:04] Finding the first clients

    [10:40] Newborn, new marriage, slow growth

    [13:28] Twins force a systemization sprint

    [18:35] Running a US firm from Serbia

    [25:11] Building referral relationships

    [32:10] Plans for intentional growth

    [40:55] Protecting your work time

    Starting From a Real Moment

    Ashley's path into bookkeeping started with her dad. She'd been handling his books and noticed something: "I remember seeing the relief on his face when he knew his bookkeeping and his bills were handled." That moment made her realize bookkeeping is more than data entry — it lifts a genuine mental burden from business owners. Combined with a background in government accounting and a timely refresh through the Bookkeeper Launch course, she had what she needed to start.

    Growing Slowly — On Purpose

    Ashley's early client growth was deliberate and unhurried, mostly driven by a professional website and a referral from her father's network. "If someone called me and wanted a bookkeeper, I ended up doing their bookkeeping," she says. There was no aggressive outreach strategy at first — and that was fine. Her constraints as a new stay-at-home mom meant slow, steady growth was the only kind that fit. She and her husband aimed for 20 hours of work per week. Sometimes she hit it. Sometimes she didn't.

    A Hard Deadline Forces the Right Decisions

    When Ashley found out she was pregnant with twins, she faced a clear choice: systemize fast or shut down. She chose to systemize. She leaned heavily on Pure Bookkeeping to document and standardize her processes, hired a team member in Serbia she could train before going on leave, and brought on a second person to review that work while she was away. "I did a lot of things a lot quicker than I would have normally because of that constraint, because of that timeline." The firm didn't just survive her maternity leave — it ran smoothly.

    Virtual-Only as a Filter, Not a Limitation

    Living in Serbia with a six-hour time difference from the US East Coast might sound like a recipe for client friction. Ashley sees it differently. Being unable to visit offices or meet for coffee filters out clients who aren't ready for fully virtual work — and those tend to be the wrong clients anyway. The right clients, she's found, don't need her physically present. They need her reliable. A CPA who works with one of her clients has since referred additional business to her, which she considers a strong signal: "He liked my work enough to refer me to someone else he was doing taxes for."

    Protecting Your Work Time

    Looking back, the one thing Ashley wishes she'd done sooner is treat her work hours as non-negotiable. "I would too easily say, 'Well, okay, I'll work later,'" she reflects. "I had to treat it like a business and not just something that fits in the in-between moments." That mindset shift — from flexible freelancer to firm owner — is something she says took time but made a real difference in how the business runs today. Now, with systems in place and a small team, she's turning her attention to intentional growth: more cleanups that convert to monthly clients, and deeper relationships with accountants who can send referrals.

    Links mentioned

    Florida Keys Bookkeeping

    Pure Bookkeeping

    The Successful Bookkeeper

    About the guest

    Ashley Jocic is the owner of Florida Keys Bookkeeping, a fully virtual firm she launched during the COVID shutdowns. With a background in government accounting and a passion for helping small business owners feel confident in their finances, she now runs her practice remotely from Serbia while raising three young children. She specializes in bookkeeping cleanups and monthly services for service-based businesses across the United States.

    About the host
    Michael Palmer
    Michael Palmer is the host of The Successful Bookkeeper podcast and co-founder of Pure Bookkeeping and The Successful Bookkeeper. He started this work because of his father — a brilliant electrical contractor who worked twice as hard as he should have had to, because nobody on the financial side was in his corner. That gap is what The Successful Bookkeeper exists to close. His view: bookkeepers are the most undervalued force in small business — and every bookkeeper who builds a real business changes two families: theirs, and their clients'.
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    EP529: Anne Napolitano - Stop Undercharging: How To Price & Sell Advisory Services

    28/04/2026 | 34 mins.
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    Anne Napolitano started her firm a decade ago as a solopreneur with an accounting degree, a background as a controller for Hermès of Paris, and a stint as a personal chef. Today she runs a 10-person firm with a specialty niche in food and beverage — and she has learned, often the hard way, how to charge what her work is actually worth. This episode is a practical, honest conversation about building advisory services into a bookkeeping firm, pricing with confidence, and communicating value so clients never have to wonder what you do for them.

    Chapters

    [00:00] Anne's Background and Firm Journey

    [05:03] Early Mistakes and Hard Lessons

    [09:07] Building Advisory Into the Practice

    [12:24] Tools, Confidence, and Clean Data

    [14:33] Selling Advisory to Skeptical Clients

    [18:20] Segmenting Clients for Higher-Tier Work

    [20:42] Packaging and Proposals That Work

    [23:34] Pricing Courage and Recovering from Undercharging

    [28:19] Communicating Value Before Clients Leave

    [30:29] Pivotal Moments and What She'd Do Differently

    From Bookkeeping to Advisory: It Takes Time to Grow Into It

    Anne didn't launch as a full advisory firm on day one — the advisory side evolved as her confidence and team grew. She credits closing the books fast (her target is the 10th–15th of each month) as the foundation that makes advisory possible. "The faster we can get the bookkeeping done, that allows us 2 weeks at the end of the month to meet with clients and to do the advisory type of work that we really enjoy." Without clean, timely data, there's nothing to advise on.

    Selling Advisory When Clients Don't Know They Need It

    Many clients assume advisory is bundled into their basic bookkeeping fee. Anne's approach is to start with bookkeeping, build trust, and then show — not tell — what advisory can do. She uses dashboards, charts, and graphs in prospect calls, sometimes pulling analysis directly from a prospect's QuickBooks file before they've even signed. "We have found that that has been a game changer." Visual tools lower the barrier for clients who tune out a P&L but respond immediately to a trend line.

    Segmenting Clients for Higher-Tier Services

    Not every client is ready for advisory, and Anne stopped pretending otherwise. She segments roughly the top 15–30% of her client base into higher-tier engagements based on revenue size, reporting complexity, or multi-entity structures — not just headcount. Clients who don't start there often grow into it. "Some of the other clients move themselves into advisory over time. Either they grow or become more complex, or we've shown them what we can do for them — and by then we have a relationship, so they trust us."

    The Pricing Trap: Being a Recovering Underpricer

    Anne is direct about the pricing mistakes she's still working through. She uses value pricing (no hourly billing), offers three-tier proposal packages, and spells out scope precisely to avoid scope creep and client assumptions. But the real obstacle is internal. "I'm a recovering underpricer. You need to be willing and able for them to walk away. Because if they're not going to pay your price, it's not a good client for you." She also anchors pricing against the cost of a full-time hire — converting monthly fees to an annual figure so clients can compare apples to apples.

    Communicating Value Before Clients Drift Away

    Losing clients not because of bad work, but because clients didn't understand what was being done for them, was one of Anne's hardest lessons. Her fix: overcommunicate. Her team now sends monthly summaries through their client portal covering what was done, errors caught, fraud signals flagged, and money saved. "We don't always communicate to a client, and we found that that was a big mistake." She describes it as an iceberg — clients see the surface, but the firm's job is to make the work below the waterline visible.

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    Links Mentioned

    Anne Napolitano on LinkedIn

    Anne Napolitano on Instagram: search Anne Napolitano

    The Balance Sheet — Anne's monthly newsletter (contact her via social media to subscribe)

    The Successful Bookkeeper Summit — this year's theme: Owning Your Authority

    PureBookkeeping.com — episode sponsor

    Woodard conferences and education (mentioned as a resource for advisory skill-building)

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    About the Guest

    Anne Napolitano is the founder of Anne Napolitano Consulting, a modern accounting and advisory firm she has grown over 10 years from a solo practice to a 10-person team. With over 30 years in accounting — including a role as U.S. controller for Hermès of Paris — Anne specializes in bookkeeping and CFO-level advisory services for food and beverage businesses, nonprofits, and general small business clients. She is based in the United States and is active on LinkedIn and Instagram.
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    EP528: Teresa Slack - From $18/Hour To Million-Dollar Firm: The Pricing Shift

    21/04/2026 | 42 mins.
    "There were times I remember having to pull money out of our retirement savings to cover payroll. We weren't sleeping, we were stressed. We didn't know where to turn, and it was so stressful. It was not a good scenario." -Teresa Slack In this episode, Canadian bookkeeping expert and million-dollar firm builder Teresa Slack shares the hard truth about pricing and what it really costs when you get it wrong. She breaks down her journey from charging $18/hour and burning out to building a profitable, scalable firm using value pricing and better systems, along with the key mistakes to avoid and what actually drives growth. In this episode, you'll learn:
    The difference between fixed pricing & true value pricing

    How to raise your prices without losing your best clients

    Why identifying your ideal client changes everything

    To learn more about Teresa, click here. Connect with her on LinkedIn. Time Stamps 01:05 – Teresa's journey from struggling firm to success 04:00 – Early pricing mistakes & mindset challenges 07:01 – How poor pricing led to financial stress 09:42 – The turning point: systems & value pricing 17:36 – Where most bookkeepers go wrong with pricing 19:28 – How to raise prices the right way 21:42 – What happened after repricing clients 24:08 – The compounding effect of better pricing 28:10 – Finding your niche & ideal clients 36:09 – Why action builds confidence
    Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!
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    EP527: Justin Atherton - The Clarity Advantage Most Bookkeepers Ignore

    14/04/2026 | 46 mins.
    " When you start speaking to yourself with more precise and definitive language, it changes how you show up for yourself. Think about how your clients and the people that you work with, it impacts how they see you." –Justin Atherton In this episode, former law enforcement detective, SWAT operator, and leadership coach, Justin Atherton breaks down a skill most bookkeepers overlook: precise communication. He explains how the words you use every day either build trust or quietly destroy it, and shares how vague language creates confusion, missed deadlines, and weak client relationships. If you've ever felt frustrated by clients not following through, this episode will change how you speak, write, and lead. In this episode, you'll learn:
    How "stop action verbs" sabotage your results
    How to replace "I'll try" with language that drives action
    How to communicate deadlines clearly & avoid confusion
    To learn more about Justin, click here. Connect with him on LinkedIn. Watch Justin's TEDx Talk: The Suspect Within.
    Buy his book, How To Get To The Damn Point at this link.
    Time Stamps
    01:03 – Justin's background in law enforcement & leadership 05:06 – Why communication problems exist in every industry 06:25 – The danger of vague, abstract language 14:32 – The Wave Method explained 15:27 – Stop action verbs & how they weaken your message 19:10 – Awareness & catching your language in real time 30:06 – How to write clearer emails that get results 36:18 – Using accountability to change communication habits 41:30 – Justin's book & practical tools Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!
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    EP526: David Homan - Why Networking Feels Broken & What Actually Works - Part 2

    07/04/2026 | 29 mins.
    "This is how you look at success. It is only a narrative of people to people, to people. Why else wouldn't you wanna spend your time doing that more purposefully and intentionally?" -David Homan In the finale of our two-part series with community building strategist and author, David Homan, he will show you how to turn everyday interests into real connections and why the opportunities you're looking for are already closer than you think. You'll learn how to move past hesitation, stop overthinking networking, and start building relationships that lead to real trust, referrals, and long-term opportunities. In this episode, you'll learn:
    Why asking for help is less effective than offering it
    How to overcome intimidation & connect with anyone
    A simple habit that strengthens relationships & builds trust
    To learn more about David, click here. Connect with him on LinkedIn. Get a copy of Orchestrating Connection at this link. Time Stamps 01:00 – Turning everyday interests into connection 04:48 – Why gratitude calls create unexpected opportunities 07:42 – Overcoming intimidation & imposter thinking 12:09 – Shifting from "me" to "how can I help?" 17:17 – Reconnecting with people you've lost touch with 21:47 – How real opportunities are built through people 24:14 – Why small actions create bigger impact than you think Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!

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About The Successful Bookkeeper Podcast

The Successful Bookkeeper Podcast is a weekly show to help increase your confidence, work smarter and build a business you love. Each week you'll listen to inspiring guests who will share their success secrets, so you can take your bookkeeping enterprise and life to another level. Some of them include New York Times Best-Selling Author of E-Myth, Michael E. Gerber, Pure Bookkeeping Co-Founder, Debbie Roberts, the host of The Productive Woman podcast, Laura McClellan and the author of *I Know How She Does It*, Laura Vanderkam. If you're a bookkeeping business owner who is looking for an uplifting, entertaining and informative podcast exclusively for YOU then you have arrived at the right place! Get ready because your journey towards success begins — now. Your Host Michael Palmer is an acclaimed business coach who has helped hundreds of bookkeepers across the world push through their fears and exponentially grow their businesses and achieve the quality of life they've always wanted.
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