The Successful Bookkeeper Podcast

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Jon Sheldon has lived through more transitions than most people can imagine — Marine Corps infantry, corporate finance director, and now founder of Belleau Wood Coaching. This episode is a practical conversation about what it actually takes to lead yourself and your team well: getting clear on purpose, planning for what will go wrong, and building the kind of confidence that only comes from taking action. Whether you're just starting your bookkeeping practice or managing a growing team, there's something here for you.
Chapters
[00:00] Purpose as the Common Thread
[02:54] Jon's Background: Marines to Finance
[08:00] Life's Purpose vs. Purpose Right Now
[10:48] Accepting the Cost of Transition
[15:00] Contingency Plans Beat Burning Boats
[17:54] The Six-Step Decision Framework
[22:00] Failure, Resilience, and Confidence
[26:00] The Four-Pillar Performance Blueprint
[31:00] Accountability and Radical Honesty
[34:00] How to Connect with Jon
Purpose Is Not Just a Cliché
Jon believes purpose is the most overlooked driver in business — and in life. "Most people I run into don't ever take the time to, or have never taken the time to, really plan it out or think about what, how are they living a purposeful life?" It doesn't have to be a grand existential answer. Finding what fills you with purpose right now is enough to start leading better — yourself and the people around you.
Plan for What Will Go Wrong
One of the most practical ideas Jon brings from his Marine Corps days is what he calls "accepting the cost." Most people building a business focus on the vision and avoid thinking through what could go wrong — because they don't want to scare themselves out of it. Jon flips that: "Most battles are won with better contingency plans. That's how most missions are won — by thinking through the challenges and obstacles that are inevitably going to come." Knowing your worst-case scenarios in advance doesn't kill confidence. It creates it.
A Six-Step Decision Framework
Jon teaches a repeatable process he calls Clarity, Condition, Cost, Align, Act, Adapt. Get clear on what you're deciding. Do a gear check — do you have everything you need? Establish the cost of what could go wrong. Make sure your first action actually aligns with your goal. Act. Then adapt based on what you learn. "I've had the best plan and then the first action has nothing to do with pushing my business forward." The framework keeps that from happening.
Failure Is Part of the Deal
Jon is direct about this: failing is how you build the confidence to lead. "You might not hire the right person the first time. You might not make a great investment here or there. It's how you bounce back from that and get resilient that's going to really boost your confidence." If you're just getting started, expect some rough patches. If you have a clear purpose tied to where you're going, those rough patches are easier to push through — because the destination still matters.
The Four-Pillar Performance Blueprint
Jon works with every client through a four-pillar framework: Purpose (your why), Vision (a day-in-the-life picture of where you're headed, three years out), Ecosystem (who and what you're surrounding yourself with — including your tools and your workspace), and Motivators (what actually energizes you to take action). From there, his coaching is high accountability and action-driven: clients leave every session with a tracked action step, session notes, and metrics they've defined themselves. As Jon puts it, he's "tactfully tough and radically honest" — because most business owners don't have enough people in their corner telling them the truth.
Links mentioned
Belleau Wood Coaching website: belleauwood.coach
Instagram: @belleauwood_coaching
LinkedIn: Jonathan Sheldon (search "Jonathan Sheldon Belleau Wood Coaching")
Start With Why by Simon Sinek
About the guest
Jon Sheldon is the founder of Belleau Wood Coaching and a former Marine Corps infantryman who completed two back-to-back deployments to Iraq, leading 13 Marines through more than 200 combat missions. After leaving the military, he built a 14-year career in financial planning — running his own practice and then directing a regional team — before going full time into leadership coaching. He works with business owners and their teams on purpose, decision-making, and building the kind of resilient confidence that actually holds up when things get hard.
About the host
Michael Palmer
Michael Palmer is the host of The Successful Bookkeeper podcast and co-founder of Pure Bookkeeping and The Successful Bookkeeper. He started this work because of his father — a brilliant electrical contractor who worked twice as hard as he should have had to, because nobody on the financial side was in his corner. That gap is what The Successful Bookkeeper exists to close. His view: bookkeepers are the most undervalued force in small business — and every bookkeeper who builds a real business changes two families: theirs, and their clients'.

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Nancy Benet, CPA, fractional CFO, and founder of Fix It Accounting, joins Michael Palmer for a conversation that is equal parts hard-won life lessons and practical bookkeeping wisdom. If you work with small business owners — or you are one — this episode will give you a sharper eye for the financial warning signs that show up long before a crisis does.

Chapters

[00:00] Nancy's Origin Story Begins

[02:28] Five Failed Businesses, $650K in Debt

[06:08] Robbing Business Cash Flow

[08:40] Opening Up and Taking Responsibility

[12:28] Hiring Before You're Ready

[15:30] Hidden Costs of a New Hire

[18:00] Building the Firm From Scratch

[22:00] Advisory Work and a $600K Win

[24:30] Finding Clients Today

[27:00] Using AI With Clients

From Rock Bottom to Running a Firm

Nancy's path to accounting was anything but straight. After leaving a CPA firm, failing at five businesses with her husband, and waking up at 45 with four children, no income, and $650,000 in debt, she had no obvious next step. What she did have was her CPA license and a willingness to start over. She landed a lease on a building the day before her intended business deal fell apart, and instead of walking away, she decided to fill that space herself. "I think that was probably the moment in my life when I stopped being a victim and I started taking responsibility," she says. That shift — from blame to ownership — gave her the confidence to hustle her way to a real client base.

The Hidden Cost of Robbing Business Cash

One of the most common mistakes Nancy sees — and lived herself — is pulling cash out of the business too early to fund a lifestyle the business hasn't earned yet. Big houses, expensive vehicles, family payroll that isn't justified by revenue: the money leaks out gradually and owners are often blindsided. Her advice is direct: keep three to six months of business expenses in the bank at all times, and live below your means in the early years. "That is what leads to problems later on," she says. "You just don't realize."

Fix the Systems Before You Hire

When clients come to Nancy wanting to add staff, her first question is whether they've made their existing operation as efficient as possible. Hiring looks like growth, but without the cash or the systems to support it, it just accelerates the leak. She walks clients through the full cost picture — not just salary, but holiday pay, absenteeism, the time spent fixing errors, and a training curve that can stretch a full year even for experienced hires. "A lot of newer businesses are not efficient at all," she says. "How can we address your systems first before you go into hiring, especially if you can't afford it?"

When Clients Won't Listen — and What to Do

Bookkeepers and accountants often see red flags that clients aren't ready to act on. Nancy is candid about the limits of what advisors can control: you can raise the concern, frame it carefully, and ask if they're open to a conversation, but you can't force a decision. What you can do is stay consistent and keep the door open. The clients who are willing to be guided, she finds, are also the ones most likely to grow — and to ask for the deeper advisory work that makes the relationship genuinely valuable.

Building Advisory Services and Using AI

Nancy started offering CFO-style work after a quick conversation with a client helped him decide to buy two pieces of equipment instead of paying off a loan — a choice that increased his net income by $600,000 the following year. That moment convinced her the advisory layer was worth building intentionally. On the technology front, her firm now uses a private AI instance to compare monthly financials year-over-year, then distills the output down to three bullet points for clients. "The client can't comprehend" a long analysis, she notes, so keeping it tight opens the door to a deeper conversation rather than closing it.

Links mentioned

Fix It Accounting — Nancy Benet's CPA and fractional CFO firm

CareerSource — free hiring and skills-testing resource for business owners (search your state's local CareerSource office)

Pure Bookkeeping — episode sponsor

The Successful Bookkeeper — show resources and guest information

About the guest

Nancy Benet is a CPA, fractional CFO, and the founder of Fix It Accounting, based in Florida. She built her firm from the ground up after overcoming significant personal and financial setbacks, starting with IRS problem resolution and growing into a full-service accounting, bookkeeping, and business advisory practice. Nancy works with small business owners to help them understand their numbers, make smarter financial decisions, and build businesses that actually support the life they want.

About the host
Michael Palmer
Michael Palmer is the host of The Successful Bookkeeper podcast and co-founder of Pure Bookkeeping and The Successful Bookkeeper. He started this work because of his father — a brilliant electrical contractor who worked twice as hard as he should have had to, because nobody on the financial side was in his corner. That gap is what The Successful Bookkeeper exists to close. His view: bookkeepers are the most undervalued force in small business — and every bookkeeper who builds a real business changes two families: theirs, and their clients'.

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Customer experience expert Shep Hyken is back, and this conversation cuts straight to one of the most stubborn problems in the bookkeeping profession: the race to the bottom on price. Shep lays out why competing as a commodity is a choice — and a dangerous one — and gives bookkeepers a practical framework for building client relationships that make price almost irrelevant.

Chapters

[00:00] Welcome and what has changed

[02:35] AI, automation, and human jobs

[06:30] The commodity trap explained

[10:00] Competing on experience not price

[13:00] Panera and moving humans to high-impact roles

[16:00] Making routine interactions memorable

[19:00] The six-step I'll Be Back framework

[25:00] Journey mapping your client touchpoints

[28:00] Consistency is what amazing looks like

[30:00] Free resources from Shep Hyken

The Commodity Trap Is a Choice You Make

When a client sees you as a commodity, they're looking at your price, not the value of the experience you deliver. Shep argues that most bookkeepers already have the expertise to serve virtually any client well — so expertise alone no longer differentiates you. "Somebody that views you as a commodity is looking at your price, not just the experience that you have to offer." The solution isn't to slash rates; it's to make the relationship so strong that price becomes a secondary consideration. Competitive pricing and lowest pricing are not the same thing.

AI Amplifies Who You Already Are

Shep is clear that AI and automation aren't going away, but the firms quietly losing ground are the ones that have over-automated and stripped out the human element. He describes his own CPA firm eliminating his year-end review meeting in favor of a digital questionnaire — and how that single change made him start shopping around. "By going automated and not having that meeting, they just threw themselves into a commodity." The better move is to use automation to absorb the repetitive, low-touch tasks so you have more capacity for meaningful client conversations — not fewer.

The Six Questions That Build an "I'll Be Back" Experience

Shep walks through his six-step framework for understanding why clients choose you, why they might choose a competitor instead, and how to borrow ideas from outside your industry to raise your own standard. The exercise ends by asking: after everything you've learned, does your answer to "why me?" change? He also points to Amazon's order-confirmation model as an example bookkeepers can adapt — proactive, personal communication that keeps clients informed and feeling looked after.

Journey Mapping: Find the Pain Before Your Client Does

One of the most practical ideas in this episode is journey mapping every touchpoint a client has with your firm — from how the phone is answered to how the monthly invoice lands. Shep uses the example of restaurateur Will Guidara, who turned paying the bill at a high-end restaurant into a moment guests couldn't wait to tell their friends about. The same thinking applies to bookkeeping: "Find where those memorable opportunities are." There are moments in every client relationship — onboarding, monthly reporting, the annual review — that feel routine to you but could be genuinely memorable for them.

Consistency Is What "Amazing" Actually Looks Like

Shep closes with a reframe that is easy to miss: you don't need to be dramatically better than the competition. You need to be consistently and predictably better than average. "When that word always creeps in there — they always get back to me quickly, they always have the answers — you are operating above average." Trust is built through repetition, not grand gestures. Clients who can rely on you without having to think about it are clients who never seriously consider leaving.

Links Mentioned

Hyken.com — Free annual customer experience research report and the Customer Confidence Score PDF (no email required)

"Unreasonable Hospitality" by Will Guidara — Referenced for journey mapping and memorable experience design

Pure Bookkeeping — Episode sponsor: purebookkeeping.com

The Successful Bookkeeper — Show home and episode resources: thesuccessfulbookkeeper.com

About the Guest

Shep Hyken is the Chief Amazement Officer at Shepard Presentations and a hall-of-fame keynote speaker and New York Times bestselling author specializing in customer service and experience. He has advised organizations across industries on building loyalty, reducing churn, and creating cultures where clients feel genuinely cared for. Shep is a returning guest on The Successful Bookkeeper and brings research-backed, immediately actionable thinking every time he joins the show.

About the host
Michael Palmer
Michael Palmer is the host of The Successful Bookkeeper podcast and co-founder of Pure Bookkeeping and The Successful Bookkeeper. He started this work because of his father — a brilliant electrical contractor who worked twice as hard as he should have had to, because nobody on the financial side was in his corner. That gap is what The Successful Bookkeeper exists to close. His view: bookkeepers are the most undervalued force in small business — and every bookkeeper who builds a real business changes two families: theirs, and their clients'.

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This is the second and final part of Michael Palmer's conversation with Andrew Seguin, founder of Seguin Financial. If you want a candid look at how a bookkeeping firm doubles revenue without a big advertising budget, this episode delivers. Andrew walks through the real levers he pulls: a four-day workweek that keeps his team loyal, a disciplined approach to scope creep, and a referral engine built entirely on great service.

Chapters

[00:00] Introduction and Episode Recap

[01:18] Four-Day Workweek Announcement

[03:30] Andrew's Fridays: A Work in Progress

[05:30] Scope Creep: How to Catch and Address It

[09:30] Time Tracking as a Profitability Tool

[12:00] How the Firm Doubled Revenue

[15:00] Partnerships and Referral Strategy

[18:00] Service as the Real Differentiator

[21:30] Going Virtual Across Ontario

[24:30] Final Advice: Start With Something

The Four-Day Workweek in Practice

Andrew made the switch to a Monday–Thursday, 36-hour week — with no pay cut for his team. "Working one hour extra per day doesn't feel as a big burden, but you get a whole day off every week, all year long," he explains. The response from clients has been overwhelmingly positive, and the retention impact has been real. For Andrew himself, it has gradually freed up his Fridays too — without the guilt of stepping away while his team is still at their desks.

Catching Scope Creep Before It Costs You

Andrew's approach to scope creep starts with the team: coach them to flag anything that feels different from the usual work, then back it up with time tracking so the numbers tell the story. Rather than hitting a client with a hard "that's out of scope," his firm offers two paths — "we can show you how to do it yourself, or we can have a conversation about a monthly increase to accommodate this." That framing keeps the conversation collaborative, not combative, and gets results either way.

Partnerships and Referrals as a Growth Engine

Seguin Financial grew from around a million dollars to double that in roughly 2.5 years — without meaningful advertising spend. The fuel? Strategic partnerships with fractional CFOs, outreach to franchise head offices, and a deliberate focus on asking the firm's best clients for referrals. "Our easiest client to take on is a referral," Andrew says, "because they've done probably so much work behind the scenes that at that point it's almost inevitable that they're going to become a client." Referrals arrive pre-sold — and they rarely price-shop.

Service Is What Clients Can Actually See

Andrew draws a clear line between quality of work and quality of service — and argues that for most clients, only one of those is visible. "Business owners are probably not going to always look at our reports. They might not really care a lot about the quality of the work. But the service they can see." Being responsive — not available at 8 PM, but back within 24 hours with an action plan — has moved Seguin Financial into a different tier in the eyes of their clients and made referrals far more frequent.

Start With Something, Then Let the Data Lead

Andrew's parting advice is straightforward: start tracking, even if it's just two spreadsheets. "Without time tracking, you're blind. You're honestly blind to which clients are doing very well for you and doing pretty poorly for you." He reviews his firm's analytics every month, makes a video for the team, calls out wins, and flags what to watch. That monthly discipline is what keeps the firm's profitability from quietly eroding — and what surfaces the clients worth doubling down on.

Links Mentioned

The Successful Bookkeeper

PureBookkeeping

Seguin Financial — find Andrew on LinkedIn

About the Guest

Andrew Seguin is the founder of Seguin Financial, a virtual bookkeeping firm based in Cornwall, Ontario, Canada. With over eight years in the business, Andrew has grown his firm to serve clients across Ontario, with a focus on e-commerce and owner-operated businesses. He is known in the bookkeeping community for his data-driven approach to profitability and his commitment to building a firm culture that keeps great people around for the long haul.

About the host
Michael Palmer
Michael Palmer is the host of The Successful Bookkeeper podcast and co-founder of Pure Bookkeeping and The Successful Bookkeeper. He started this work because of his father — a brilliant electrical contractor who worked twice as hard as he should have had to, because nobody on the financial side was in his corner. That gap is what The Successful Bookkeeper exists to close. His view: bookkeepers are the most undervalued force in small business — and every bookkeeper who builds a real business changes two families: theirs, and their clients'.

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Andrew Seguin was already running a strong bookkeeping firm when he last appeared on this podcast — at $1 million in revenue with a team of eight. Two and a half years later, he's back with a $2 million firm and a team of fifteen. In Part 1 of this two-part conversation, Andrew walks through the real work behind that growth: the systems he built, the delegation habits he had to form, and the profitability metrics that changed how he runs everything.

Chapters

[00:00] Opening quote on delegation

[00:42] Introducing Andrew Seguin

[02:30] From $1M to $2M: the story

[05:30] Getting out of the weeds

[09:00] Building training systems that scale

[13:00] Managing change without overwhelming the team

[17:00] Introducing the effective hourly rate

[23:00] Building the profitability dashboard

[28:00] Time tracking: getting team buy-in

[34:00] Pricing strategy and the 3-month clause

Getting Out of the Weeds

Even after hitting $1 million, Andrew was still deep in the day-to-day — doing bookkeeping, managing clients directly, and holding too much tax knowledge himself. The path to $2 million required him to deliberately reduce his own workload. "I was probably still doing a lot of day-to-day work," he says. "I knew I had some goals for '24 and '25, which was to reduce my own workload." That meant hiring a dedicated payroll team, bringing on a tax specialist, and doubling down on the pod structure — senior and junior team members working together as a unit.

Delegation Starts With Systems, Not Just Trust

One of Andrew's clearest lessons: delegation without a proper training system is just dumping work on people. He invested heavily in building a training package so that new hires could learn the firm's tools, standards, and workflows without having to figure things out from scratch. "You spend a little bit of time upfront — it's always hard because you have to find time to do it. But once you get over that hump, that's where things really start cascading into a really strong effect." He also cautions against piling on too much change in a single year, aiming instead for one meaningful improvement goal per year so the team isn't overwhelmed.

The Effective Hourly Rate: A Metric That Changed Everything

The single biggest profitability driver Andrew introduced was tracking each client's effective hourly rate (EHR) — revenue divided by hours worked on that file. His firm uses ClickUp for time tracking and QuickBooks Online for revenue data, feeding into a custom-built dashboard that shows the team exactly where they stand, client by client. "We essentially cut about 10% of our clients and then priced up about 40% of our clients to a rate that we wanted internally." The target range is $125–$150 per hour, minimum. Before this system, the firm's average was around $106–$108 per hour. After 18 months of using the data, it's closer to $250.

Transparent Data, Aligned Teams

Andrew doesn't hide this metric from his staff. The management team sees it. The bookkeepers who work on those files are aware of it. When a client's EHR falls short, the conversation isn't about poor performance — it's about scope creep, underestimated complexity, or pricing that needs revisiting. He also ties compensation growth directly to hitting those rates, so the team has a real reason to track their time accurately. "I'm very transparent — you guys wouldn't have these increases the way you have been getting for the last 3 years if we didn't have this data."

Pricing, Minimums, and the 3-Month Revisit Clause

Andrew's pricing approach is a hybrid of fixed and value-based: estimate the hours, multiply by the target EHR, then add complexity factors like multi-currency, e-commerce, or payroll. The firm's minimum for monthly engagements is $1,000, with an average around $1,600. Critically, every new engagement includes a clause allowing the firm to revisit pricing after three months — when actual time and complexity data is in hand. "We've had to do that a few times because there is no perfect system. A questionnaire and a quick conversation isn't going to tell you enough about the complexities and the volume of the file."

Links Mentioned

PureBookkeeping — episode sponsor

The Successful Bookkeeper — resources and episode archive

ClickUp — project and time-tracking tool used by Seguin Financial

About the Guest

Andrew Seguin is the founder of Seguin Financial, a virtual bookkeeping firm based in Canada with a team of fifteen full-time staff. Over eight and a half years, Andrew grew his firm from a solo side practice to a $2 million business, built around strong systems, transparent team culture, and data-driven client management. He is a frequent speaker and educator in the bookkeeping community.

About the host
Michael Palmer
Michael Palmer is the host of The Successful Bookkeeper podcast and co-founder of Pure Bookkeeping and The Successful Bookkeeper. He started this work because of his father — a brilliant electrical contractor who worked twice as hard as he should have had to, because nobody on the financial side was in his corner. That gap is what The Successful Bookkeeper exists to close. His view: bookkeepers are the most undervalued force in small business — and every bookkeeper who builds a real business changes two families: theirs, and their clients'.