The Successful Bookkeeper Podcast

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Natalia Zacharin had no bookkeeping background, no clients, and no safety net when she started Zacharin Consulting in January 2019. She was 49, a single mom, and her invoicing clerk job was being phased out. In part one of this two-part conversation, Natalia lays out exactly how she went from that starting point to building a firm that now employs 16 people, targets $4 million in revenue, and landed at number 802 on the 2025 Inc. 5000 list.

Chapters

[00:00] Cold open: asking the right questions

[00:52] Introducing Natalia Zacharin

[03:00] From invoicing clerk to business owner

[07:00] Where the firm stands today

[10:00] First client via LinkedIn

[13:00] Self-teaching bookkeeping on YouTube

[16:30] Hiring a CPA manager — lessons learned

[19:00] Building the pipeline: 4 clients to 12

[23:00] Doubling down and working 7 days a week

[26:00] COVID, the PPP pivot, and early burnout

Starting From Zero — And Meaning It

Natalia's entry into bookkeeping wasn't a career pivot she planned. Her fiancé suggested it over coffee when she couldn't find another job. She enrolled in an online course, started messaging business owners on LinkedIn in January 2019, and landed her first client on January 29th of that year — a landscaping company owner in California who is still a client today. Her prior experience as an invoicing clerk in Microsoft Dynamics and NetSuite gave her attention to detail, but she had never opened QuickBooks.

YouTube as a Training Program

When Natalia got into her first client's books, she found the revenue hadn't been recorded — showing a negative $2 million on the P&L. Rather than walking away, she cleaned it up herself using YouTube, watching videos second by second and refreshing the balance sheet after every change to see what happened. "That was how I learned," she says. "I taught myself how to read financials, not how to do just data entry." It was slow, it was self-directed, and it worked.

The Formula for Getting Clients Early On

Natalia built her first pipeline through two channels: LinkedIn outreach and a local women's business group. Her LinkedIn approach was simple — start genuine conversations, never lead with a pitch, and ask questions. "No one likes it when you just come out with a full three paragraphs of what you do. No one cares." At in-person events, she set a clear intention before walking in: she was there to get a client, not just to have lunch. By August 2019 she had 4 clients and quit her day job. By November she had 12 — enough to cover her bills.

Doubling Down on What Works

After quitting her job, Natalia worked 12 to 14 hours a day, seven days a week, iterating constantly on what was generating new business. Her core principle: if something moves the needle, do more of it faster. She avoided prescriptive networking formats like BNI in favour of methods she could control and test. "Selling is psychological, it's not intuitive," she says. "I just didn't give up. I didn't feel like I had other options, so I just kept going."

COVID, the PPP, and a Hard Lesson About Burnout

In January 2020, Natalia called her mother — who had been helping her financially — to say she no longer needed the support. Three months later, COVID hit and her clients' revenues collapsed. She pivoted immediately to helping clients apply for PPP and EIDL loans, achieving near-perfect approval and forgiveness rates. But by August 2020, working alone under enormous pressure, she stopped exercising and started running out of energy. Part two of this series picks up there — with hard-won lessons on burnout, pricing, and scaling a team.

Links Mentioned

Zacharin Consulting: zacharinconsulting.com

Pure Bookkeeping: purebookkeeping.com

The Successful Bookkeeper: thesuccessfulbookkeeper.com

About the Guest

Natalia Zacharin is the Founder and Principal of Zacharin Consulting, a full-service accounting firm based in Maryland that offers bookkeeping, accounting, and fractional CFO services. She started the firm in 2019 with no formal bookkeeping training and grew it to a 16-person team tracking over $3 million in annual revenue. In 2025, Zacharin Consulting was named to the Inc. 5000 list of fastest-growing companies in the United States, ranking number 802.

About the host
Michael Palmer
Michael Palmer is the host of The Successful Bookkeeper podcast and co-founder of Pure Bookkeeping and The Successful Bookkeeper. He started this work because of his father — a brilliant electrical contractor who worked twice as hard as he should have had to, because nobody on the financial side was in his corner. That gap is what The Successful Bookkeeper exists to close. His view: bookkeepers are the most undervalued force in small business — and every bookkeeper who builds a real business changes two families: theirs, and their clients'.

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Ashley Jocic started Florida Keys Bookkeeping at one of the most turbulent moments imaginable: a separation, COVID shutdowns, and a career pivot — all at once. What followed was five years of growing a fully virtual bookkeeping firm while navigating a new marriage, a daughter, an international move to Serbia, and twins. This episode is a masterclass in building something real when life refuses to slow down.

Chapters

[00:00] Life chaos that sparked the business

[04:18] Early career and Bookkeeper Launch

[07:04] Finding the first clients

[10:40] Newborn, new marriage, slow growth

[13:28] Twins force a systemization sprint

[18:35] Running a US firm from Serbia

[25:11] Building referral relationships

[32:10] Plans for intentional growth

[40:55] Protecting your work time

Starting From a Real Moment

Ashley's path into bookkeeping started with her dad. She'd been handling his books and noticed something: "I remember seeing the relief on his face when he knew his bookkeeping and his bills were handled." That moment made her realize bookkeeping is more than data entry — it lifts a genuine mental burden from business owners. Combined with a background in government accounting and a timely refresh through the Bookkeeper Launch course, she had what she needed to start.

Growing Slowly — On Purpose

Ashley's early client growth was deliberate and unhurried, mostly driven by a professional website and a referral from her father's network. "If someone called me and wanted a bookkeeper, I ended up doing their bookkeeping," she says. There was no aggressive outreach strategy at first — and that was fine. Her constraints as a new stay-at-home mom meant slow, steady growth was the only kind that fit. She and her husband aimed for 20 hours of work per week. Sometimes she hit it. Sometimes she didn't.

A Hard Deadline Forces the Right Decisions

When Ashley found out she was pregnant with twins, she faced a clear choice: systemize fast or shut down. She chose to systemize. She leaned heavily on Pure Bookkeeping to document and standardize her processes, hired a team member in Serbia she could train before going on leave, and brought on a second person to review that work while she was away. "I did a lot of things a lot quicker than I would have normally because of that constraint, because of that timeline." The firm didn't just survive her maternity leave — it ran smoothly.

Virtual-Only as a Filter, Not a Limitation

Living in Serbia with a six-hour time difference from the US East Coast might sound like a recipe for client friction. Ashley sees it differently. Being unable to visit offices or meet for coffee filters out clients who aren't ready for fully virtual work — and those tend to be the wrong clients anyway. The right clients, she's found, don't need her physically present. They need her reliable. A CPA who works with one of her clients has since referred additional business to her, which she considers a strong signal: "He liked my work enough to refer me to someone else he was doing taxes for."

Protecting Your Work Time

Looking back, the one thing Ashley wishes she'd done sooner is treat her work hours as non-negotiable. "I would too easily say, 'Well, okay, I'll work later,'" she reflects. "I had to treat it like a business and not just something that fits in the in-between moments." That mindset shift — from flexible freelancer to firm owner — is something she says took time but made a real difference in how the business runs today. Now, with systems in place and a small team, she's turning her attention to intentional growth: more cleanups that convert to monthly clients, and deeper relationships with accountants who can send referrals.

Links mentioned

Florida Keys Bookkeeping

Pure Bookkeeping

The Successful Bookkeeper

About the guest

Ashley Jocic is the owner of Florida Keys Bookkeeping, a fully virtual firm she launched during the COVID shutdowns. With a background in government accounting and a passion for helping small business owners feel confident in their finances, she now runs her practice remotely from Serbia while raising three young children. She specializes in bookkeeping cleanups and monthly services for service-based businesses across the United States.

About the host
Michael Palmer
Michael Palmer is the host of The Successful Bookkeeper podcast and co-founder of Pure Bookkeeping and The Successful Bookkeeper. He started this work because of his father — a brilliant electrical contractor who worked twice as hard as he should have had to, because nobody on the financial side was in his corner. That gap is what The Successful Bookkeeper exists to close. His view: bookkeepers are the most undervalued force in small business — and every bookkeeper who builds a real business changes two families: theirs, and their clients'.

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Anne Napolitano started her firm a decade ago as a solopreneur with an accounting degree, a background as a controller for Hermès of Paris, and a stint as a personal chef. Today she runs a 10-person firm with a specialty niche in food and beverage — and she has learned, often the hard way, how to charge what her work is actually worth. This episode is a practical, honest conversation about building advisory services into a bookkeeping firm, pricing with confidence, and communicating value so clients never have to wonder what you do for them.

Chapters

[00:00] Anne's Background and Firm Journey

[05:03] Early Mistakes and Hard Lessons

[09:07] Building Advisory Into the Practice

[12:24] Tools, Confidence, and Clean Data

[14:33] Selling Advisory to Skeptical Clients

[18:20] Segmenting Clients for Higher-Tier Work

[20:42] Packaging and Proposals That Work

[23:34] Pricing Courage and Recovering from Undercharging

[28:19] Communicating Value Before Clients Leave

[30:29] Pivotal Moments and What She'd Do Differently

From Bookkeeping to Advisory: It Takes Time to Grow Into It

Anne didn't launch as a full advisory firm on day one — the advisory side evolved as her confidence and team grew. She credits closing the books fast (her target is the 10th–15th of each month) as the foundation that makes advisory possible. "The faster we can get the bookkeeping done, that allows us 2 weeks at the end of the month to meet with clients and to do the advisory type of work that we really enjoy." Without clean, timely data, there's nothing to advise on.

Selling Advisory When Clients Don't Know They Need It

Many clients assume advisory is bundled into their basic bookkeeping fee. Anne's approach is to start with bookkeeping, build trust, and then show — not tell — what advisory can do. She uses dashboards, charts, and graphs in prospect calls, sometimes pulling analysis directly from a prospect's QuickBooks file before they've even signed. "We have found that that has been a game changer." Visual tools lower the barrier for clients who tune out a P&L but respond immediately to a trend line.

Segmenting Clients for Higher-Tier Services

Not every client is ready for advisory, and Anne stopped pretending otherwise. She segments roughly the top 15–30% of her client base into higher-tier engagements based on revenue size, reporting complexity, or multi-entity structures — not just headcount. Clients who don't start there often grow into it. "Some of the other clients move themselves into advisory over time. Either they grow or become more complex, or we've shown them what we can do for them — and by then we have a relationship, so they trust us."

The Pricing Trap: Being a Recovering Underpricer

Anne is direct about the pricing mistakes she's still working through. She uses value pricing (no hourly billing), offers three-tier proposal packages, and spells out scope precisely to avoid scope creep and client assumptions. But the real obstacle is internal. "I'm a recovering underpricer. You need to be willing and able for them to walk away. Because if they're not going to pay your price, it's not a good client for you." She also anchors pricing against the cost of a full-time hire — converting monthly fees to an annual figure so clients can compare apples to apples.

Communicating Value Before Clients Drift Away

Losing clients not because of bad work, but because clients didn't understand what was being done for them, was one of Anne's hardest lessons. Her fix: overcommunicate. Her team now sends monthly summaries through their client portal covering what was done, errors caught, fraud signals flagged, and money saved. "We don't always communicate to a client, and we found that that was a big mistake." She describes it as an iceberg — clients see the surface, but the firm's job is to make the work below the waterline visible.

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Links Mentioned

Anne Napolitano on LinkedIn

Anne Napolitano on Instagram: search Anne Napolitano

The Balance Sheet — Anne's monthly newsletter (contact her via social media to subscribe)

The Successful Bookkeeper Summit — this year's theme: Owning Your Authority

PureBookkeeping.com — episode sponsor

Woodard conferences and education (mentioned as a resource for advisory skill-building)

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About the Guest

Anne Napolitano is the founder of Anne Napolitano Consulting, a modern accounting and advisory firm she has grown over 10 years from a solo practice to a 10-person team. With over 30 years in accounting — including a role as U.S. controller for Hermès of Paris — Anne specializes in bookkeeping and CFO-level advisory services for food and beverage businesses, nonprofits, and general small business clients. She is based in the United States and is active on LinkedIn and Instagram.

"There were times I remember having to pull money out of our retirement savings to cover payroll. We weren't sleeping, we were stressed. We didn't know where to turn, and it was so stressful. It was not a good scenario." -Teresa Slack In this episode, Canadian bookkeeping expert and million-dollar firm builder Teresa Slack shares the hard truth about pricing and what it really costs when you get it wrong. She breaks down her journey from charging $18/hour and burning out to building a profitable, scalable firm using value pricing and better systems, along with the key mistakes to avoid and what actually drives growth. In this episode, you'll learn:
The difference between fixed pricing & true value pricing

How to raise your prices without losing your best clients

Why identifying your ideal client changes everything

To learn more about Teresa, click here. Connect with her on LinkedIn. Time Stamps 01:05 – Teresa's journey from struggling firm to success 04:00 – Early pricing mistakes & mindset challenges 07:01 – How poor pricing led to financial stress 09:42 – The turning point: systems & value pricing 17:36 – Where most bookkeepers go wrong with pricing 19:28 – How to raise prices the right way 21:42 – What happened after repricing clients 24:08 – The compounding effect of better pricing 28:10 – Finding your niche & ideal clients 36:09 – Why action builds confidence
Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!

" When you start speaking to yourself with more precise and definitive language, it changes how you show up for yourself. Think about how your clients and the people that you work with, it impacts how they see you." –Justin Atherton In this episode, former law enforcement detective, SWAT operator, and leadership coach, Justin Atherton breaks down a skill most bookkeepers overlook: precise communication. He explains how the words you use every day either build trust or quietly destroy it, and shares how vague language creates confusion, missed deadlines, and weak client relationships. If you've ever felt frustrated by clients not following through, this episode will change how you speak, write, and lead. In this episode, you'll learn:
How "stop action verbs" sabotage your results
How to replace "I'll try" with language that drives action
How to communicate deadlines clearly & avoid confusion
To learn more about Justin, click here. Connect with him on LinkedIn. Watch Justin's TEDx Talk: The Suspect Within.
Buy his book, How To Get To The Damn Point at this link.
Time Stamps
01:03 – Justin's background in law enforcement & leadership 05:06 – Why communication problems exist in every industry 06:25 – The danger of vague, abstract language 14:32 – The Wave Method explained 15:27 – Stop action verbs & how they weaken your message 19:10 – Awareness & catching your language in real time 30:06 – How to write clearer emails that get results 36:18 – Using accountability to change communication habits 41:30 – Justin's book & practical tools Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!