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Career & Leadership Real Talk

Pamela Langan & Jacqui Jagger
Career & Leadership Real Talk
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    Ep 172 - Low Confidence at Work: The Four Things Killing Yours

    21/09/2026 | 32 mins.
    Confidence, self-doubt and imposter syndrome are some of the topics you listen to most, and there's a reason we keep coming back to them. In this episode we step back from the individual stories and look at what's driving low confidence at work, because we'd argue it's usually a symptom rather than the problem itself.
    We walk through four things that quietly erode confidence, from an environment that strips it away to the odd lag that hits when your title changes but you don't feel any different. Most of us are dealing with two or three at once, and that's completely normal. We've also pulled together a playlist of five episodes from the back catalogue, so you can go deeper on the one that fits you best.
    Key points from this episode
    Why low confidence is often a symptom, and what it might be pointing to
    The many ways low confidence shows up, and why so many of us hide it
    Why you can't build confidence in an environment that strips it from you
    The identity gap: what happens when your title changes but you don't feel any different
    Why imposter syndrome so often arrives as a package deal with the others

    Go deeper: the confidence playlist
    Listen to the full playlist here
    Ep 27: Overcoming Self-Doubt: Practical Strategies for Building Confidence at Work
    Ep 67: The Difference Between Confidence and Self Belief
    Ep 90: 6 Confidence Myths that Hold Leaders Back
    Ep 110: Imposter Syndrome with Aoife O'Brien
    Ep 164: Imposter Syndrome: Why It Gets Worse as You Get More Senior

    00:00 Introduction and How the Playlist Works
    01:00 Why Low Confidence Is a Symptom, Not the Problem
    02:00 How Low Confidence Shows Up
    05:00 The Overthinking Cycle
    06:00 When Caring What People Think Is Rational, and When It Drains You
    08:00 Cause 1: Your Environment
    14:30 Cause 2: Finding Something Difficult
    18:00 Cause 3: The Identity Gap
    23:00 Cause 4: Imposter Syndrome
    29:00 Coaching and Imposter Syndrome
    30:30 Why Most of Us Have Two or Three Stacked, and Wrap Up

    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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    Ep 171 - CV Positioning: How to Apply for Roles Above Your Current Title

    07/09/2026 | 32 mins.
    We've both had this come up constantly in coaching conversations lately: talented people who are already operating above their job title, but who rule themselves out of applying for that next-level role because they haven't got the title (or the box-ticked experience) to "prove" it yet. In this episode, we break down exactly how to position yourself on paper and in interview when you're going for a role you haven't technically done before, and why waiting for permission is costing you opportunities right now.
    We cover the CV rewrite that actually gets you noticed, the one interview question you need to have properly rehearsed, and how to handle the gaps you're dreading being asked about, without sounding like you're making excuses.
    Key points from this episode
    Why staying in a role you've outgrown often feels safer than going for the promotion you actually want, and why that logic doesn't hold up
    The CV shift that stops you blending in with every other candidate (hint: it's not about listing more responsibilities)
    A simple framing technique you can use in your CV or cover letter to be upfront about the gap between your title and your actual level
    How to prepare for "tell me about yourself" so it doesn't derail your entire interview
    Why the energy you bring to an interview might matter more than how many boxes you tick

    Timestamps
    00:00 Introduction: applying for roles above your current title or experience level
    01:00 Why ambitious people stay stuck, waiting for the "right" experience before applying
    04:00 Step one: positioning your CV to get picked for interview in the first place
    06:00 Rewriting bullet points around scope and impact, not job description tasks
    09:00 The "ready for" framing technique for your CV or cover letter
    11:00 Why job titles mean less than you think, and what recruiters actually look for
    14:00 Ignoring the "tough market" echo chamber and focusing on your own positioning
    17:00 Interview prep: nailing the "tell me about yourself" question
    21:00 Handling the gaps you're most worried about being asked
    24:00 Finding leadership evidence outside your job title, including outside work entirely
    25:00 Why energy and authenticity outweigh ticking every box at interview
    29:00 Final advice: stop waiting for permission and start applying now

    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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    Ep 170 - How to Get Out of the Weeds and Think Strategically

    17/08/2026 | 31 mins.
    In this episode, we're tackling a topic we know lands hard for so many of you: how to be strategic when your operational workload keeps dragging you back into the weeds. It's one we've covered from different angles before, but it kept coming up in client conversations, so we thought it was time to revisit it properly.
    Rather than focusing on time management tips you've probably already tried, we dig into why this is so often about habits and identity rather than a lack of hours in the day. We share five reasons this keeps happening, then three practical steps you can start using straight away to create genuine thinking space.
    Key points from this episode
    Why "just block out time in your diary" so rarely works, and what's really going on underneath
    The five hidden drivers keeping you stuck in the weeds, from the escalation loop to the relentless optimism trap
    Why being the person with all the answers might be quietly holding your career back
    A simple question to ask before you jump in and solve someone else's problem for them
    The three Ds framework for working out what you can stop being involved in

    00:00 Introduction and why this topic keeps coming back
    06:00 It's not just a practical problem, it's about habits and identity
    07:00 Driver one: the escalation loop
    12:00 Driver two: the addiction to being needed
    14:00 Driver three: the expertise trap
    17:00 Driver four: diary space isn't head space
    19:00 Driver five: the relentless optimism trap
    22:00 Acknowledging your part in it
    23:00 What to do: catch yourself before you jump in
    26:00 What to do: find the pattern, not the instance
    28:00 What to do: the three Ds - ditch, delegate, design differently
    30:00 Final thoughts and where to find the playlist

    Useful Links
    Strategic Thinking Episodes Playlist
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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    Ep 169 - Preparing for Promotion Conversations

    03/08/2026 | 32 mins.
    You're doing brilliant work, you know you could probably do your boss's job, and you're still waiting for someone to notice. Sound familiar? In this episode, we unpack why performing well and waiting for the tap on the shoulder rarely gets you promoted, and what to do instead.
    We talk through the very British discomfort with "shouting about yourself," why recognition for your current role doesn't automatically translate into being seen as ready for the next one, and how to have promotion conversations that feel like advocacy rather than an ultimatum. We share a real client example of how raising the conversation months in advance completely changed the outcome, plus practical advice on timing, who to actually speak to, and how to reframe a knockback into a clear, strategic next move.
    Key points from this episode
    Why being a "reliable pair of hands" can quietly work against your chances of promotion
    The very British instinct that's stopping you asking for what you want
    Why your manager praising your work doesn't mean they see you at the next level
    A real client story of how starting the conversation early changed everything
    Who you should actually be having this conversation with (hint: it's not always who you think)

    Timestamps
    00:00 Introduction and why this topic matters
    01:00 Why performing well isn't a promotion strategy
    06:00 The British discomfort with self-promotion
    09:00 Why being noticed doesn't mean being seen as ready
    12:00 A client's story: raising the conversation months ahead
    17:00 Why timing beats waiting for the annual appraisal
    19:00 Choosing who to have the conversation with
    21:00 Reminding people of your impact
    29:00 Turning a "no" into a clear next move
    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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    Ep 168 - DISC Personality Types: Building Confidence When Working with Different Styles

    20/07/2026 | 42 mins.
    Ever felt like a colleague or your boss was speaking a completely different language, even though you're both talking about the same thing? This week we're joined by Gayle Tong, confidence coach and DISC practitioner, to unpack why working with different personality types can quietly chip away at your confidence at work, and what to actually do about it.
    We get into what DISC really measures (it's not personality, whatever the name suggests), why the value isn't in the report itself but in the conversation that follows it, and how understanding your own style, and other people's, can turn "why don't they just get it?" into genuinely better working relationships.
    Key points from this episode
    Why psychometric tools like DISC measure behaviour, not personality, and why that distinction matters more than you'd think
    The DISC styles explained in plain English, plus what each one looks like on a good day versus a bad one
    Why some of the most common workplace friction comes down to two particular styles clashing, and what to do about it
    The real cost of being told to "just be more confident" without specifics
    A simple team exercise that surfaces things colleagues have never known about each other, even after years of working together

    00:00 Introduction: welcoming guest Gayle Tong
    01:00 Gayle's background in confidence coaching and DISC
    02:00 Why working with different personality types affects confidence
    03:00 How this shows up with Gayle's coaching clients
    04:00 DISC explained: behaviour, not personality
    06:00 The four DISC styles: D, I, S and C
    09:00 Why report feedback works best through discussion
    10:00 What happens when you don't recognise yourself in your profile
    13:00 Starting with self-awareness before anything else
    14:00 The strengths and challenges of each style, good day versus bad day
    18:00 Which styles clash, and which connect naturally
    21:00 A real example: adapting communication style by email
    26:00 Team exercise: the 'My DISC Profile' activity
    33:00 When you feel pressure to be more like a 'D' style
    35:00 Having the honest conversation about how you work best
    37:00 Why "just be more confident" isn't useful feedback from managers
    40:00 How to find and work with Gayle
    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Connect with Gayle
    Website: https://www.enrichmentcoaching.co.uk/
    LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/gayletong
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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About Career & Leadership Real Talk
Welcome to Career & Leadership Real Talk; a weekly podcast full of guidance and advice for ambitious managers who are ready to take ownership of their career. It’s hosted by Pamela Langan, a job search coach and c.v. writing expert, and Jacqui Jagger, a mindset and leadership coach. We’re here for you if you want to have more impact, land a new job or get the promotion you know you deserve. There’s no high level, intellectual theory here – it’s a fluff-free zone We’ll be talking about how to stand out in your job search, how to hit the ground running in a new role and how to cope when things aren’t going *quite* the way you want at work In our career clinic section we’ll answer real questions from listeners and our clients, and we’ll also share our take on books on the topics of careers, leadership, & management so you can decide which are worth your time You can connect with us on LinkedIn – feel free to DM us with any questions you’d like us to answer on the show! https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangancoaching/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
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