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Career & Leadership Real Talk

Pamela Langan & Jacqui Jagger
Career & Leadership Real Talk
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    Ep 168 - DISC Personality Types: Building Confidence When Working with Different Styles

    20/07/2026 | 42 mins.
    Ever felt like a colleague or your boss was speaking a completely different language, even though you're both talking about the same thing? This week we're joined by Gayle Tong, confidence coach and DISC practitioner, to unpack why working with different personality types can quietly chip away at your confidence at work, and what to actually do about it.
    We get into what DISC really measures (it's not personality, whatever the name suggests), why the value isn't in the report itself but in the conversation that follows it, and how understanding your own style, and other people's, can turn "why don't they just get it?" into genuinely better working relationships.
    Key points from this episode
    Why psychometric tools like DISC measure behaviour, not personality, and why that distinction matters more than you'd think
    The DISC styles explained in plain English, plus what each one looks like on a good day versus a bad one
    Why some of the most common workplace friction comes down to two particular styles clashing, and what to do about it
    The real cost of being told to "just be more confident" without specifics
    A simple team exercise that surfaces things colleagues have never known about each other, even after years of working together

    00:00 Introduction: welcoming guest Gayle Tong
    01:00 Gayle's background in confidence coaching and DISC
    02:00 Why working with different personality types affects confidence
    03:00 How this shows up with Gayle's coaching clients
    04:00 DISC explained: behaviour, not personality
    06:00 The four DISC styles: D, I, S and C
    09:00 Why report feedback works best through discussion
    10:00 What happens when you don't recognise yourself in your profile
    13:00 Starting with self-awareness before anything else
    14:00 The strengths and challenges of each style, good day versus bad day
    18:00 Which styles clash, and which connect naturally
    21:00 A real example: adapting communication style by email
    26:00 Team exercise: the 'My DISC Profile' activity
    33:00 When you feel pressure to be more like a 'D' style
    35:00 Having the honest conversation about how you work best
    37:00 Why "just be more confident" isn't useful feedback from managers
    40:00 How to find and work with Gayle
    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Connect with Gayle
    Website: https://www.enrichmentcoaching.co.uk/
    LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/gayletong
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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    Ep 167 - Influencing Without Authority

    06/07/2026 | 25 mins.
    Ever felt unheard when trying to get buy-in from someone who doesn't report to you, or from a boss who just isn't responding to your usual approach? In this episode, we unpack influencing without authority: why it's such a common challenge in matrix organisations and cross-functional roles, and what actually works when you can't simply pull rank to get people on board.
    We explore the difference between personal power and position power, why doubling down on what isn't working rarely gets you anywhere, and share practical, actionable ways to build the kind of influence that lasts.
    Key points from this episode
    Why influencing without authority comes up so often, and why nobody ever really teaches us how to do it
    The crucial difference between personal power and position power, and what happens when you've only built one of the two
    How to spot the early signs that your usual approach isn't landing, and what to do instead
    Practical tools for building buy-in: getting curious, aligning with other people's priorities, and pre-socialising your ideas
    Why listening might be the single most underused skill when it comes to getting people on side

    00:00 Introduction: why influencing without authority matters
    03:00 What makes influencing feel so hard
    06:00 Personal power versus position power
    13:00 A simple first step: noticing frustration and getting curious
    16:00 Aligning your priorities with theirs
    18:00 Pre-socialising ideas and mapping the informal power structure
    21:00 Listening: the most underused leadership skill
    23:00 Final thoughts and how to get support

    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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    Ep 166 - Career Planning: Why the Plan in Your Head Isn't Working

    22/06/2026 | 23 mins.
    Career planning is one of those things most of us know we should do and keep putting off. In this episode, we explore why it feels so much harder than it should be, and why the version most people have in their heads doesn't actually count as a plan. Pam shares the simple, one-page approach she uses with her clients that takes an hour (or 10 minutes a day across a week) and turns vague ambition into something you can actually act on.
    If you've ever thought "I'll do that when things settle down" or "I wouldn't even know what to put in a career plan," this one's for you.
    Access Pam's Career Plan on a Page resource to work through it after listening
    Key points from this episode
    Why keeping your career plan in your head is costing you opportunities, even if you think you've got it figured out
    The biggest misconception that stops ambitious people from starting: it doesn't have to be a big formal exercise
    Why good career planning starts with looking back, not forward, and what that unlocks
    How a career plan becomes a compass when you're in a role you're not loving or you're wondering "is this it?"
    What Pam's Career Plan on a Page actually contains, and how to use it to keep moving forward

    00:00 Introduction and why career planning keeps getting put off
    01:00 The problem with keeping your plan in your head
    03:00 What stops ambitious people from committing it to paper
    05:00 The clarity gap: not knowing what to even put in a plan
    06:30 Where to start: reflection before direction
    08:00 Looking back to move forward, and what the career mapping exercise reveals
    11:00 Using your plan as a compass when things feel hard
    12:00 When a career plan leads somewhere unexpected: client stories
    14:00 Pam walks through the Career Plan on a Page process
    19:00 What the completed plan looks like and how to keep it live
    21:00 Final thoughts: treating it as an experiment, not a commitment

    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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    Ep 165 - Underselling Yourself Communication Habits That Can Stall Your Career

    08/06/2026 | 28 mins.
    In this episode, we explore a pattern Jacqui sees regularly in her coaching practice — capable, high-performing professionals who are inadvertently stalling their own careers by the way they talk about their work. Using a real client story (shared anonymously), we unpack what underselling looks like in practice, why it happens, and what you can do differently.
    If you've ever described something you achieved and immediately wondered why it didn't land the way you hoped, this one's for you.
    Key points from this episode
    Why competence alone won't get you to director level — and what needs to change in how you communicate your contribution
    The visibility paradox: how the people doing the most impressive work are often the least visible
    How deep-seated discomfort with self-promotion shows up in the language you use every day
    The difference between describing what happened and articulating what you made happen
    A simple practical exercise to reframe how you talk about your work, and where to use it

    00:00 Introduction and the client story behind this episode
    01:00 The pattern: capable professionals who let their contribution go unnoticed
    05:00 The visibility paradox and why senior leaders need to be seen, not just effective
    10:00 Why "selling yourself" creates resistance — and a more useful way to think about it
    13:00 The cost of invisibility: a real example from a Deloitte partnership decision
    19:00 Comfort zones, default behaviours, and what's really driving the pattern
    21:00 Tara Mohr's Playing Big and the language habits that keep people small
    23:00 Active versus passive framing — and why it matters beyond the interview room
    25:00 The practical exercise: write two versions and find the opportunity to use one
    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Follow the Catalyst Careers LinkedIn page for career tips and advice
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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    Ep 164 - Imposter Syndrome: Why It Gets Worse as You Get More Senior

    26/05/2026 | 28 mins.
    If you expected imposter syndrome to ease off as your career progressed, you're not alone, and you're probably wondering why it's doing the opposite. In this episode, we dig into why imposter syndrome so often intensifies at senior level, and what's actually going on in your brain when it does.
    We share practical strategies for working with imposter syndrome rather than trying to outrun it, because working harder and delivering more isn't the answer, and most people find that out the hard way.
    Key points from this episode
    Why becoming more senior makes imposter syndrome worse, not better and the brain science behind it
    The identity gap: why your internal reality struggles to keep pace with your external success
    How self-judgment fuels imposter syndrome and what to do instead
    Why positive feedback doesn't land and a simple technique to change that
    How to borrow belief from the people who already have it in you

    00:00 Introduction and Topic Overview
    00:26 Why Imposter Syndrome Intensifies With Seniority
    02:29 The Trap of Trying to Outwork It
    05:00 Your Brain, Evidence and the Confidence Gap
    08:00 Navigating Uncertainty: The Board Meeting Example
    11:00 The Identity Gap Explained
    13:30 The Self-Judgment Cycle
    16:30 What Actually Helps: Reducing Self-Judgment
    21:00 How to Internalise Positive Feedback
    24:30 Borrowing Belief From Others
    26:30 Final Thoughts and Call to Action

    Useful Links
    Connect with Pam on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangan/
    Connect with Jacqui on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
    Interested in working with us?
    Get in touch about career or leadership development, outplacement workshops or recruitment support via the Catalyst Careers website
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About Career & Leadership Real Talk
Welcome to Career & Leadership Real Talk; a weekly podcast full of guidance and advice for ambitious managers who are ready to take ownership of their career. It’s hosted by Pamela Langan, a job search coach and c.v. writing expert, and Jacqui Jagger, a mindset and leadership coach. We’re here for you if you want to have more impact, land a new job or get the promotion you know you deserve. There’s no high level, intellectual theory here – it’s a fluff-free zone We’ll be talking about how to stand out in your job search, how to hit the ground running in a new role and how to cope when things aren’t going *quite* the way you want at work In our career clinic section we’ll answer real questions from listeners and our clients, and we’ll also share our take on books on the topics of careers, leadership, & management so you can decide which are worth your time You can connect with us on LinkedIn – feel free to DM us with any questions you’d like us to answer on the show! https://www.linkedin.com/in/pamelalangancoaching/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacqui-jagger/
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