The Delighted Customers Podcast with Mark Slatin

• #141 Designing for Trust: Building Confidence from First Click to Last Mile

  What if you could close the gap between what you think your customers experience and what they actually feel—using raw, unfiltered feedback you can see and hear for yourself? In a constantly evolving digital landscape, the journey from a customer’s very first click to their final interaction is more complex—and crucial—than ever before. But many leaders believe that their customer experience is far better than it really is—a costly blind spot that leads to missed opportunities for building trust and loyalty. How can organizations truly see their products and services through their customers' eyes and outpace the competition in building brand confidence? You won’t want to miss this week’s Delighted Customers Podcast, where Mark Slatin sits down with Baran Erkel, Chief Strategy Officer at User Testing. Baran’s rich background—from developer to consulting to enterprise SaaS leadership—gives him a unique 360-degree view on why empathy at scale is the new differentiator and how User Testing’s platform enables businesses to bring the authentic voice of the customer into every decision. If you’re a leader who wants to turn insight into action, streamline feedback loops, and future-proof experiences in the age of AI, Baran’s expertise is essential listening. Here are three compelling questions Baran Erkel answers on this episode: Why is traditional customer feedback (like NPS surveys) not enough for truly understanding and closing the customer experience gap? How does User Testing enable organizations to “get out of the building” and immerse themselves in real-time, video-based customer feedback—even at scale? What is the transformative role of AI in the future of human insights, feedback, and designing for trust? Tune in to this insightful conversation and discover how to proactively bridge blind spots in your customer journey. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts and Spotify—or catch Delighted Customers on all of your favorite podcast platforms so you never miss an episode! Meet Baran Erkel Baran Erkel is the Chief Strategy Officer at User Testing, where he leads strategy, corporate development (including mergers and acquisitions), and product management for their industry-leading platform. With over 15 years in enterprise software and a career foundation in computer science and consulting, Baran’s passion lies in helping businesses harness human insights to drive innovation and deepen customer trust. User Testing, founded in 2008, now serves over 3,000 clients—including global enterprises in financial services, tech, and retail—by enabling rapid, actionable feedback through both digital and physical customer experiences. Baran is committed to equipping organizations with the tools and mindset shifts needed to close the “experience gap” and thrive in today’s competitive landscape. Connect with Baran on LinkedIn. Show Note References Coupa Café anecdote illustrating the powerful impact of real-time, direct customer feedback The Bain & Company “CX Gap” statistic User Testing’s role in transitioning from reactive to proactive customer listening The future of AI-powered feedback and its integration with human insights Don’t forget to listen and subscribe—transform your approach to customer experience starting today!

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• #140 Measuring the True Cost of Negative Customer Experiences

  What if negative customer experiences matter more than you think—impacting your bottom line far beyond any single complaint or glowing review? In the latest episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, we dive into why negative experiences carry outsized influence on customer loyalty and business revenue. Many leaders mistakenly chase the most frequent irritants, but as our guest explains, it’s not about quantity—it’s about which problems have the greatest financial impact. If you're a CX leader struggling to prove the ROI of your work, you’ll want to tune in for innovative strategies that bridge the gap between customer insights and business results. Why listen to this episode? Paula Courtney, President of the Verde Group, is a global authority on customer retention and quantifying the financial risk of customer experience missteps. With over 30 years of research published in BusinessWeek, Forbes, the Wall Street Journal, and Harvard Business Review, Paula brings a unique, science-backed approach to identifying the most consequential pain points in your customer journey. Her team’s methods have helped organizations around the world—across 35 countries—focus investments where they count and avoid common CX measurement pitfalls. Here are three engaging questions Paula answers on this episode: Why do negative experiences have a disproportionate effect on customer behavior—and what psychological principles drive this phenomenon? What critical missteps do organizations make by relying on “applause meter” surveys and chasing the wrong metrics? How can leaders accurately quantify the financial risk of negative experiences and build a rock-solid business case for CX investment in the boardroom? Don’t miss this essential conversation for anyone seeking to transform their customer experience—and get buy-in from the C-suite. Listen to the episode now and subscribe so you never miss insights from top industry leaders. Listen & Subscribe: Delighted Customers on Apple Podcasts Delighted Customers on Spotify Available on all your favorite podcast platforms! Meet Paula Courtney Paula Courtney is the President of the Verde Group, a global market research consultancy specializing in customer retention and the quantification of customer experience ROI. For over three decades, she has led the development of research methods that help organizations not only identify but truly measure the economic impact of customer experiences—especially the negative ones most likely to drive churn. Paula’s expertise has been featured in prominent outlets such as BusinessWeek, Forbes, the Wall Street Journal, and Harvard Business Review. Her work is rooted in psychology, utilizing principles like negativity bias and loss aversion, and grounded in data science to separate “noise” from actionable insights. An international leader, Paula and her team have supported customer-centric transformation in over 35 countries, providing business leaders with tools to prioritize investments and foster real, financially measurable change. Learn more about Paula and the Verde Group at https://verdegroup.com Connect with Paula Courtney on LinkedIn: Paula Courtney LinkedIn Show Notes & References Verde Group: Website and Resources Monthly newsletter, research blogs, and case studies: Available on Verde Group’s website Be sure to subscribe and leave a five-star review to support the podcast and spread the word!

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• #139 Client Onboarding and The Trust Equation - Part 2 of 2

  What’s the secret to building unshakeable trust with your customers—especially when you’re not face-to-face and your product passes through layers before it ever reaches the end user? That question has been top of mind for me, and it’s exactly why I was so excited to sit down with Lisa Schwartz, Chief Operating Officer of Mathematica, on the latest episode of the Delighted Customers podcast. If you’ve ever wondered how trust really forms—not just in simple transactions, but in complex relationships where intermediaries stand between your company and your customers—you’re not going to want to miss this conversation. The little things we do, and the way we handle nuanced moments, can echo throughout an entire organization and set the tone for customer loyalty and business success. I invite you to join me and Lisa as we explore the real-world power of trust. Lisa brings together an incredible mix of deep research, operational leadership, and street-smart experience (from her PhD in Developmental Psychology to her days as a bartender, practicing personalization long before it was a business buzzword). I learned so much from her perspective—she simply “gets it,” blending science, practical application, and genuine emotional intelligence in a way that makes it easy to apply to any customer relationship, no matter your industry or selling channel. Here are three powerful questions we tackle together on the show: How can you demonstrate credibility and reliability when you don’t actually control the front-line customer interactions? What are best practices for creating intimacy and lowering self-orientation in situations where direct access to the end user isn’t possible? What kinds of small gestures truly move the needle in building lasting customer partnerships and loyalty? If these are questions you wrestle with—or you want to elevate trust inside and outside your organization—I hope you’ll listen in. Subscribe to Delighted Customers on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, or find us on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback and support mean the world to me, and I can’t wait for you to experience what Lisa has to share! Meet Lisa Schwartz Lisa Schwartz, Ph.D., is the Chief Operating Officer of Mathematica, a leading research and data consulting firm committed to improving public well-being through evidence-based solutions. With academic roots in developmental psychology (PhD, University of Maryland, College Park), Lisa spent years progressing from project leadership to executive management at Mathematica. Since 2019, she has driven the company’s customer experience strategy across all divisions, spearheading initiatives that blend data-driven objectivity with a client-centric approach. Lisa’s expertise lies in translating academic research into actionable, scalable business practices, all while championing relational trust as the cornerstone of every client journey. Catch Part 2 of 2 with Lisa on Episode #139! Connect with Lisa Schwartz on LinkedIn. Show Notes and References Learn more about Mathematica: mathematica.org Explore the Gottman Institute’s work on emotional bank accounts: gottman.com Read about the Trust Equation from “The Trusted Advisor”: trustedadvisor.com Meet Lisa Lisa Schwartz brings 20 years of research and leadership experience to her role as COO at Mathematica, where she guides operational strategy and advances customer experience initiatives. A passionate proponent of evidence-based solutions, Lisa is recognized for blending the objectivity of research with the empathy required for impactful client relationships.

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• #138 Client Onboarding and The Trust Equation-Part 1 of 2

   Note: This is Part 1 of a 2-part series What does it take to create an onboarding experience so powerful that clients can’t imagine working with anyone else? For executives and customer experience leaders, the onboarding process is much more than an administrative formality—it's the first date, the pivotal moment when a client decides whether to pursue a deeper relationship or walk away. In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, Mark Slatin sits down with Lisa Schwartz, COO of Mathematica, to unpack the psychology and structure behind onboarding experiences that build trust, foster loyalty, and drive business results. Lisa draws from her unique blend of research expertise and executive experience to reveal why onboarding is critical for long-term client engagement and how intentional, personal touches can transform a standard process into lasting advocacy. Why listen to Lisa Schwartz? With a PhD in psychology from the University of Maryland and two decades at Mathematica, Lisa bridges academic rigor with operational excellence. She’s led the company’s customer experience transformation since 2019, skillfully adapting evidence-based practices to real-world client relationships. Lisa's passion for humanizing business, her practical analogies, and her research-backed strategies ensure takeaways for leaders seeking meaningful change in their organizations. Here are three provocative questions Lisa addresses in this insightful conversation: Why does the typical “welcome email” fall drastically short of what true onboarding should accomplish? What are the most common myths and pitfalls organizations fall into when designing onboarding experiences? How can customer experience leaders use psychological principles—like trust building and emotional “deposits”—to foster client relationships that last for years? Don’t miss out! Listen to Lisa’s episode of the Delighted Customers podcast and subscribe to get every new insight. Find the show on Apple Podcasts and Spotify, or on any of your favorite podcast platforms. Meet Lisa Schwartz Lisa Schwartz, Ph.D., is the Chief Operating Officer of Mathematica, a leading research and data consulting firm committed to improving public well-being through evidence-based solutions. With academic roots in developmental psychology (PhD, University of Maryland, College Park), Lisa spent years progressing from project leadership to executive management at Mathematica. Since 2019, she has driven the company’s customer experience strategy across all divisions, spearheading initiatives that blend data-driven objectivity with a client-centric approach. Lisa’s expertise lies in translating academic research into actionable, scalable business practices, all while championing relational trust as the cornerstone of every client journey. Catch Part 2 of 2 with Lisa on Episode #139! Connect with Lisa Schwartz on LinkedIn. Show Notes and References Learn more about Mathematica: mathematica.org Explore the Gottman Institute’s work on emotional bank accounts: gottman.com Read about the Trust Equation from “The Trusted Advisor”: trustedadvisor.com Meet Lisa Lisa Schwartz brings 20 years of research and leadership experience to her role as COO at Mathematica, where she guides operational strategy and advances customer experience initiatives. A passionate proponent of evidence-based solutions, Lisa is recognized for blending the objectivity of research with the empathy required for impactful client relationships.

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• #137 From Oprah to Branson: 5 Celebrity Archetypes Every CX Leader Needs

  What if you could unlock executive buy-in—and real alignment—by channeling the breakthrough strategies of world-famous celebrities in your customer experience approach? In this episode of the Delighted Customers podcast, guest Ania Rodriguez flips the script on how CX leaders can influence their C-suite and drive transformative change. By drawing on the archetypes of iconic figures like Oprah, Lady Gaga, Richard Branson, Mark Cuban, and Taylor Swift, Ania reveals how leaders can meaningfully connect with stakeholders, avoid the "hero's trap," and move from mere buy-in to active organizational alignment. The impact? A more dynamic, emotionally intelligent, and business-savvy customer experience program that gets noticed—and gets results. Listeners should tune in to hear from Ania Rodriguez, an award-winning CX and UX advisor to Fortune 500 companies—and the founder behind both Key Lime Interactive and JourneyTrack. Ania’s hands-on experience helping brands like Google, Cisco, Amazon, Meta, and Disney achieve double-digit growth brings practical, actionable insight for customer experience leaders at every stage. Here are three big questions Ania answers on this episode: What’s the difference between passive buy-in and active alignment—and how do CX leaders get to the latter? Which “celebrity archetype” do you need to channel when working with key executives on journey mapping and change management? How can AI-powered tools like JourneyTrack help organizations synthesize data, spot emotional inflection points, and make smarter, faster CX decisions? Don’t miss this episode—it’s packed with memorable analogies, real-world case studies, and Ania’s expert playbook for leading change. Listen and subscribe now on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, or find Delighted Customers on all your favorite podcast platforms! JourneyTrack is a proud sponsor of The Delighted Customers Podcast Learn more about how JourneyTrack can help you leverage AI to improve CX.   Meet Ania: Ania is a self-made entrepreneur who has made a name for herself, serving as a CX/UX advisor to Fortune 500 companies around the world for over two decades. Known for her focus on actionable results and quality,  Ania’s leadership has resulted in double-digit growth for her first company, Key Lime Interactive, over the past decade. The company has emerged to become one of the leading user experience research firms in the United States. Her work as a CX/UX strategist and researcher demonstrated to her the need for a platform that could take her journey mapping vision to the next level. JourneyTrack is the tool that meets that vision. Ania's LinkedIn Email Ania mentioned: [email protected] Contact Sales form Book a Demo form JourneyTrack website Journey Impact feature Workshops feature Blog post: How to Get Started with Customer Journey Mapping Blog post: Understanding Journey Mapping, Orchestration, and Journey Management Blog post: How a Journey Mapping Workshop can Drive Business Growth    

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