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  • #428: Andragogy in MedTech: Why Adult Learning Principles Beat Traditional Training
    This episode of the Global Medical Device Podcast, hosted by Etienne Nichols with guest Shannon Decker, CEO of VBC1 and an expert in healthcare transformation, dives deep into the science of how adults learn, contrasting pedagogy (child-centered learning) with andragogy (adult-centered learning). The discussion reveals why traditional training methods, like handing new hires 40 SOPs to read, are often ineffective for experienced professionals in the MedTech industry.Shannon explains the core principles of andragogy: adults are self-directed, problem-centered, and bring a vast reservoir of experience to the table (schema theory). They are less motivated by sequential, externally guided learning and more by what is relevant, timely, and what is in it for them. This self-directed approach means successful training in MedTech requires catering to intrinsic motivation and providing tactile, real-world practice rather than just videos or documentation.The conversation pivots to practical applications across the medical device lifecycle. Shannon shares compelling examples, like improving physician adoption of a medical device by shifting the focus from extrinsic financial rewards and regulatory compliance to the intrinsic motivation of improving patient health outcomes. By making users part of the development process and using performance feedback to tap into a professional's competitive spirit, organizations can achieve significantly higher engagement and successful adoption of new technologies.Key Timestamps[03:20] What is Andragogy? How adults learn differently than children.[04:45] The role of schema theory and existing experience in adult learning.[05:40] Why the traditional "drop 40 SOPs" on a new hire’s desk fails adults.[07:15] Case Study: The challenge of low medical device adoption and the missing education piece.[08:50] The power of tactile practice and addressing user confidence (e.g., misusing the device).[11:00] Contrasting Andragogy (self-directed) vs. Pedagogy (directed/sequential).[14:10] Applying adult learning to device development: solving the user's problem.[16:45] How to boost adoption: Intrinsic motivation and making users part of the process.[18:20] The key physician motivator: Desire to help people over money or administrative requirements.[21:10] Behavior science: Focusing on influential champions and mid/top performers for diffusion.[22:45] The "Gold Star" effect: Using competitive spirit and relevant KPIs for motivation.Quotes"The way we come to learning with adults is different... The best way that they learn is coming up with things that are relevant to them, things that are timely, things that they need. They want to be interested." - Shannon Decker"I don't talk about the money that they're going to make... What I talk to them about is by paying attention and doing these screening exams, you're going to have an impact on the overall health of your patient." - Shannon DeckerTakeawaysStop Relying on Documentation for Training: Adult learners need tactile input and practice. Replace or supplement large volumes of SOP reading with project team involvement, practical exercises, and hands-on use to build confidence and retention.Focus on the "What's In It For Me" (WIIFM): When designing a medical device or a training program, identify the user’s intrinsic motivations. For clinicians, this is often the desire to improve patient outcomes—lead with this message rather than revenue or regulatory burden.Build Champions, Not Just Compliance: Instead of solely focusing energy on low performers or the loudest voices, identify respected, influential leaders (champions) to pilot and advocate for new technology. Their positive experience drives the Law of Respect and encourages wider...
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  • #427: Medical Device Reimbursement - Pitfalls to Avoid
    This episode tackles the often-overlooked but critical topic of medical device reimbursement. Host Etienne Nichols speaks with Haley King, co-founder and CEO of Paxos Health, about why this process is just as vital as FDA approval for a device's commercial success. They explore the journey a medical device takes, highlighting the distinction between FDA approval and securing reimbursement from payers.Haley explains the three key pillars of reimbursement: coding, coverage, and payment. She delves into the complexities of CPT codes and the significant difference between a temporary Category 3 code and the gold-standard Category 1. The discussion also covers the immense challenges medical device companies face, including the lengthy timeline—sometimes years—to secure payer coverage, which can be a make-or-break factor for startups. The conversation wraps up with a look at how artificial intelligence is beginning to streamline the cumbersome, manual process of patient access and appeals.Key Timestamps1:45 - The initial challenge of making coverage match medical need.3:30 - The three-part reimbursement pathway: coding, coverage, and payment.5:50 - Navigating CPT codes and the difference between Category 1 and Category 3.10:15 - Common challenges for medical device companies seeking payer coverage.13:20 - The multi-year timeline to achieve Medicare coverage for innovative devices.15:00 - Advice for regulatory and quality professionals on speeding up reimbursement.20:10 - How AI is currently being used in patient access and reimbursement.24:45 - Debating the accuracy of AI and its role in replacing human expertise.Quotes"A lot of times patients are not going to be able to pay out of pocket for expensive medical treatments, and a lot of times providers are not going to be able to write off those treatments on their side. So somebody needs to pay for this. And that's usually the health insurance companies..." — Haley King"I think that for this sort of a use case [AI], you're always going to want some human in the loop... AI has the potential to be super, super powerful in this space, but I think you're always going to want to have human experts involved." — Haley KingTakeawaysIntegrate reimbursement strategy early: Unlike FDA approval, which focuses on safety and efficacy, payers also demand evidence of a device's clinical and economic value. Medical device companies, particularly startups, should integrate reimbursement planning into their pitch decks and product development timelines from the outset.Recognize the two-step process: FDA approval is not a golden ticket to reimbursement. Companies must understand the subsequent and often lengthy process of securing coding, coverage, and payment from payers like CMS and private insurance companies, which can take several years.Enhance clinical trials for payers: Regulatory and quality professionals can speed up the reimbursement process by designing clinical trials that not only meet FDA requirements but also generate robust data to prove a device's clinical and economic value. This may involve including additional endpoints to justify the cost.Harness AI for efficiency, not replacement: AI is a powerful tool for automating the tedious parts of reimbursement, such as sifting through patient records and payer policies. However, it should be viewed as a way to enhance, not replace, the work of human experts who can handle complex edge cases and appeals.Be aware of coding complexities: The distinction...
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  • #426: Software as a Medical Device: Securing Your Digital Future
    In this episode, host Etienne Nichols sits down with Jose Bohorquez and Mohamad Foustok from CyberMed to dissect the complex world of Software as a Medical Device (SaMD) and cybersecurity. They emphasize that SaMD is first and foremost a medical device and should be treated as such from the very beginning of the development process. The conversation highlights the most common mistakes companies make, like treating security as an afterthought and jumping straight into coding without a solid architectural plan.Mohamad Foustok introduces the concept of "zero trust" and the critical importance of designing for security across the entire product lifecycle, from initial concept to post-market surveillance. The discussion clarifies that cybersecurity is not limited to network-connected devices but applies to any medical device with a software function, regardless of its connectivity. They also touch on the historical context of FDA guidance, noting a significant shift in recent years that has raised the regulatory bar and put a greater emphasis on robust cybersecurity documentation.The guests provide actionable advice for MedTech professionals, stressing the value of a balanced approach that integrates security and functionality from day one. They explain that a well-thought-out process, though seemingly slower at the outset, ultimately saves time and resources by preventing costly and time-consuming redesigns later on. This episode serves as a vital guide for anyone looking to build a secure and compliant medical device in today's evolving regulatory landscape.Key Timestamps[01:50] Common pitfalls in developing SaMD, including overlooking regulatory guidance like IEC 62304.[03:20] The critical mistake of treating cybersecurity as an afterthought in product development.[05:00] Who cybersecurity applies to beyond software, including patients, manufacturers, and supply chains.[06:30] The FDA's stance on cybersecurity for any device with a software function, even if not network-connected.[08:00] A discussion on "reasonable assurance of cybersecurity" and what it means for manufacturers.[10:00] The "zero trust" principle and why you should never assume a network is secure.[14:00] How hospitals and other stakeholders are demanding more rigorous cybersecurity standards.[15:40] The ideal process for a "security-first" development lifecycle.[21:00] Why rushing development without a proper architecture can lead to significant delays and cost overruns.[23:00] A brief history of FDA's cybersecurity guidance and the major shift in 2023.Quotes"Software as a medical device ultimately is a medical device, and so you want to be developing it from the get-go with that mindset." — Jose Bohorquez"Security can't be an afterthought. You have to consider security at the inception of your approach to a product." — Mohamed FustokTakeawaysA "Security-First" Mindset is Essential: Integrate cybersecurity from the initial architectural phase of your project. This proactive approach saves significant time and money by avoiding costly redesigns and delays later in the development process or after an FDA submission.Cybersecurity is for All Software-Driven Devices: Don't assume that only cloud-connected devices need cybersecurity documentation. The FDA requires documentation for any device with a software function, including embedded systems and programmable logic, even if it's not connected to a network.Regulatory Compliance is a Process, Not a...
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  • #425: The "Front End" of Medical Device Innovation: From Idea to Market
    This episode with Stuart Grant of Archetype MedTech demystifies the "front end of innovation," a critical yet often overlooked phase of medical device development. Stuart, a seasoned MedTech veteran with over two decades of experience at Johnson & Johnson, shares insights from his doctoral research on this topic. He breaks down the process, defining the front end as the crucial period between applied science and new product development, where teams identify unmet clinical needs and shape a product concept. This conversation offers a clear roadmap for balancing creativity with structure, using the Design Council's Double Diamond model and Stuart’s 10 key insights for observing user behavior.Stuart Grant’s discussion on the front end of innovation highlights the importance of deeply understanding the user and the environment in which a device will be used. He introduces a number of tools and techniques, such as the Pugh Matrix and the NVivo software, to help teams transition from a broad exploration of ideas to a focused, viable product concept. Stuart explains that while the front end may seem "fuzzy," it can be a systematic process that uncovers the true clinical and market needs that will determine a product's success. He emphasizes that the most successful devices aren't just incrementally better, but are born from a deep understanding of customer insights.This episode is an essential guide for anyone involved in MedTech innovation, from academic researchers to seasoned engineers. Stuart's insights challenge the conventional reliance on key opinion leaders and provide a framework for a more holistic, user-centric approach. He outlines how to identify and interpret subtle user behaviors, from workarounds and unconventional uses to unspoken frustrations, all of which are critical for developing a truly impactful and user-friendly medical device. Whether you're at the very beginning of a project or looking to improve your current innovation process, this episode provides actionable strategies to bridge the gap between a great idea and a marketable product.Key Timestamps(2:00) Defining the "Front End": Stuart explains what the front end of innovation is and why its name has evolved from the "fuzzy front end."(8:00) The Double Diamond Model: An explanation of the UK Design Council's Double Diamond, illustrating the divergent and convergent phases of problem-solving.(12:30) Common Pitfalls: Discussing the three critical questions to answer: Is there a market (viability)? Is the technology possible (feasibility)? Do users want it (desirability)?(15:00) Balancing Creativity and Structure: The roles of different team members and how to manage the creative (divergent) and critical (convergent) phases of innovation.(21:00) 10 Ways to Find User Insights: Stuart breaks down the specific techniques and red flags to look for when observing users, including workarounds, affordances, and areas of disjuncture.(26:00) The Problem with KOLs: Why relying solely on key opinion leaders can be a mistake and the importance of observing a wider range of users.(30:00) Triggers of Use: How unconventional uses of a device can reveal new product opportunities.Standout Quotes"A craftsman will build you exactly what you ask for. An artist will build you what you didn't know you need." - Etienne Nichols"You don't just do what the customer says because that could lead to a terrible product." - Stuart GrantTakeawaysObservation is Key: Go beyond interviews. The most valuable insights come from observing users in their natural environment,...
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  • #424: The MedTech Startup Survival Guide with Steve Bell
    In this episode, host Etienne Nichols sits down with seasoned MedTech entrepreneur Steve Bell to discuss the critical lessons for starting and scaling a medical device company. With over 30 years of global experience, Steve shares insights from his work with major corporations like Johnson & Johnson and his role in building Europe’s largest MedTech unicorn. He reveals how a conversation with his wife led him to develop an extensive course and a new MedTech AI tool to help founders navigate the complex and often unforgiving startup landscape.Steve emphasizes the importance of moving beyond a great idea to build a viable business. He outlines the foundational mistakes that sink over 75% of startups, from emotional attachment to non-viable concepts to underestimating the time and financial commitment required. He introduces his “greenhouse score” system, an objective, data-driven tool designed to help founders evaluate their business idea against global competition, urging them to "kill their ideas early" if they aren't built for success.The conversation also touches on the unique challenges facing first-time founders, including the critical decision of who should lead the company. Steve advises against a "have-a-go-hero" mentality and highlights the value of bringing in experienced leadership to avoid costly mistakes. He stresses that true success lies in being "needs-based, not product-based," focusing on solving a core problem rather than becoming overly attached to a specific solution. The episode concludes with a warning about protecting intellectual property (IP) and the costly mistake of sharing proprietary information prematurely.Key Timestamps00:02:13 The origin story of Steve's MedTech startup course.00:04:58 The #1 reason MedTech startups fail: A good idea isn't always a good business.00:08:54 The greenhouse score and MedTech AI advisor for objective business idea validation.00:11:09 Why entrepreneurship is a "wide open field" and how to find a path.00:12:00 The importance of "Location, Location, Location" for MedTech startups.00:13:58 The MedTech Survival Guide book and life lessons learned.00:17:02 Should a first-time founder be the CEO?00:18:10 How to find and compensate an experienced CEO.00:20:45 Why you must be needs-based, not product-based.00:22:47 The difference between a business and an orphan or philanthropic project.00:23:53 The risk of destroying your IP before you even get started.Quotes"Every idea is good, but not every idea is a good business... some of them are just really interesting tech that's trying to look for a home." - Steve Bell"Most likely thing for most companies is the idea you go in with is not the idea you come out with... You need to be needs-based, not product-based." - Steve BellTakeawaysValidate Your Idea Objectively: Don't rely on gut feelings. Use data-driven tools to assess your business idea's viability. If your "greenhouse score" is low, don't abandon the need—pivot the solution or fix the weaknesses.Stack the Deck in Your Favor: Simple, logical choices can significantly increase your odds of success. This includes selecting a strategic business location and prioritizing a strong team over a lone "have-a-go-hero" founder.Hire Experienced Leadership: A first-time founder should rarely be the CEO. Bringing in a seasoned professional with C-suite experience can save millions of dollars and years of development, as they bring invaluable scar tissue and a network of investors.Protect Your...
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