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The Iranian women’s team has been in Australia playing in the AFC Asian Cup and displaying extraordinary bravery in the face of significant pressure from their home country’s regime. Why have they been criticised and what might happen next?
Plus, the Kyle and Jackie O “divorce” has entered its ‘it’s complicated’ era, and Jackie is finally setting the record straight on those quitting stories. There are reports her next gig might have something to do with Meghan Markle, with the Duchess heading to Sydney for some high-profile speaking gigs which are definitely not a royal tour. But hold on, last time Meghan was here, didn’t she hate it?
In other business, Daryl Hannah is calling out the "crazy ex-girlfriend" trope in the new JFK Jr. series, Love Story, and it’s making us rethink our weekend binge-watch. And David and Victoria Beckham are posting "earnest" birthday tributes to Brooklyn, completely ignoring his legal threats to leave him blocked. Is this a sweet parental olive branch, or does someone need to confiscate Vicky’s phone?
And Timothée Chalamet might have just lost himself an Oscar and it’s Harry Styles week all over the world. It’s unlikely those things are related but you never do know.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone
Listen: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Listen: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Listen: The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover
Listen: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
Listen: "I'm A Working Mum & I Just Want To Quit"
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
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Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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What to read:
From Kate Moss to the park fight: 6 wild things in Love Story that actually happened.
Timothée Chalamet, Taylor Swift, and the age of the ego.
'I did not quit.' Jackie O just shared an update on leaving KIIS radio show with Kyle Sandilands.
The latest Beckham update is just deeply sad.
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Mascara is over. Yes, it’s joined side parts as beauty cringe, according to the ghost lashes trend that Em Vernem has embraced. We’re unpacking: Are bare eyes cool or do they leave some of us looking like 'elderly babies'?
Plus, the fear of public speaking has morphed into something else: the fear of speaking in public, full stop. So why is small talk dying, and does it matter? We’re asking: Is a quick chat about the weather actually the secret to a happier life?
And, meet the internet’s new favorite literal girlboss — a 13-year-old skincare CEO who edits her COO mom’s 'cringe' captions. While Em feels like a failure by comparison, Holly Wainwright is fascinated by the 'corporatisation of kids' and brand-building curriculums. But is it smart? In an AI world, has 'building a business' become more important than actually knowing things?
In other business, Clare Stephens wants to know why the word 'matrescence' isn't in the dictionary yet?
And, of course, recommendations:
Holly recommends The Walkers podcast by Tortoise Media & The Observer — a wild investigation into the author of The Salt Path.
Emily recommends the book Half His Age by Jennette McCurdy.
Clare recommends Hometown Boys, a six-part investigative podcast from ABC’s Background Briefing.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Listen: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Listen: The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover
Listen: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
Listen: "I'm A Working Mum & I Just Want To Quit"
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:
'I thought I was bad at small talk. Turns out, I was doing it wrong.'
'After having my daughter, motherhood was not what I thought it would be. Then I discovered matrescence.'
'For the first 5 years of motherhood, I thought something was wrong. Then I discovered matrescence.'
If your teen's skincare stash is growing, here's what to keep (and what to toss).
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Emily Vernem, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman on today's subscriber episode. Listen to the full conversation — Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat— at 5 pm TODAY. What do you mean, you're not a subscriber yet? Solve that problem HERE.
When an Outlouder named Vanessa sent in a dilemma asking if she should quit her job, she did something risky: she name-checked Mia Freedman.
Vanessa has been a listener for seven years and has Mia’s voice on a loop in her head — the one that says women should always keep working to protect their super and their sanity. But with a second kid, a husband who has "signed a deal with the devil" for his career, and a workload that feels like a full-body squirm, Vanessa's wondering if it’s time to 'Nup' out of the workforce entirely.
On today’s subscriber episode, Mia is joined by Amelia Lester to unpack the 'breastfeeding brain trap', the 'childcare cheat code', Amelia's trailing wife era, the big career myth — and the cold, hard reality of the working-mother math.
Remember, this is your free sample of today's subs episode. The full debrief drops for subscribers at 5pm.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Listen: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Listen: The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover
Listen: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
Listen: "I'm A Working Mum & I Just Want To Quit"
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
Listen: The New Dating Rule That Blew Up A Comments Section
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube
What to read:
'I was finding being a working mum impossible. One decision changed it.'
'When they raced out at 4:30pm, I felt annoyed.' The misconceptions I had about working parents.
VIRGINIA TAPSCOTT: What I really hear when you say 'I could never be a stay-at-home mum.'
'I'm a stay-at-home mum, and I'm scared my husband is losing respect for me.'
THE END BITS:
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Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
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Australia’s most profitable partnership is over. Kyle and Jackie O, commercial radio’s ratings juggernaut for 25 years now, have officially imploded, apparently over an on-air clash about… astrology.
Plus, Jim Carrey is in Paris looking different and people are convinced he’s been replaced by a sophisticated clone. Which is interesting, because when female movie stars ‘look different’, we just call them sad.
And, if you’ve ever been called "too much," a Harvard psychologist wants you to know that oversharing is actually your secret career superpower. Apparently, telling your colleagues about your therapy appointments or your colonoscopy makes you 85% more likable. So, when is "painful transparency" a shortcut to intimacy, and when is it a very awkward HR meeting?
As the conflict in Iran widens, why are we seeing headlines about influencers stranded in Dubai? Among the many people stranded in the “Influencer Capital of the World”, content creators are finding themselves citizen journalists in a territory targeted by missiles.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen to Jackie O on No Filter: Mia Interviews Jackie O About The Addiction That Almost Ended Her
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Listen: The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover
Listen: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
Listen: "I'm A Working Mum & I Just Want To Quit"
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
Listen: The New Dating Rule That Blew Up A Comments Section
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:
Jackie O just quit her KIIS radio show with Kyle Sandilands. Here's what we know.
'What did I do?' One story Jackie O didn't include in her book.
Maggie Gyllenhaal, Jim Carrey, and the ageing conversation we're too afraid to have.
A 5-minute explainer on what's happening in Iran.
The cutest homewares to shop for your hosting era.
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Outlouders, enjoy this free nibble of Mia Freedman. Listen to the full conversation — Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene— at 5 pm TODAY. What do you mean, you're not a subscriber yet? Solve that problem HERE.
Mia & Amelia are (still) obsessed with Carolyn Bessette Kennedy (CBK) so they’re back for Part 2 of their deep dive into the TV series Love Story.
From Naomi Watts’ depiction of real-life icon Jackie O to the complex roles of Darryl Hannah and the Kennedy matriarchs, they’re unpacking what it must have been like to marry into the complicated Kennedy family.
Plus, Mia and Amelia examine the toxic dynamics that defined the couple’s public life and break down that infamous Central Park fight scene. Was it a moment of passion, or was it "emotional dysregulation"?
They also discuss the poignant newsletter from the couple’s close friend Carole Radziwill, who explains why she refuses to watch the show and the unsettling question of whether why the dead are never allowed to rest in peace in the age of AI.
It’s a raw and slightly uncomfortable look at how we consume the tragedies of the past as modern entertainment.
Remember, this is your free sample of today's subs episode. The full debrief drops for subscribers at 5pm.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to Part 1: Mia & Amelia On CBK: The Clothes, The Curse, The Love Story
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Listen: The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover
Listen: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
Listen: "I'm A Working Mum & I Just Want To Quit"
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
Listen: The New Dating Rule That Blew Up A Comments Section
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube
What to read:
Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy became one of the most famous women in the world. She hated it.
This new series tackles the complicated legacy of the '90s hottest couple.
JFK cheated on his wife Jackie for years. She was 'paid to keep it quiet'.
'My first salary was $12k.' Working in magazines was like the real-life Devil Wears Prada.
THE END BITS:
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