Mamamia Out Loud

Zendaya and Robert Pattinson are on a press tour, and the Internet’s calling them ‘classy’ because they’re not pretending to be in lust. Instead, they’re giving each other high-fives like they’re at a corporate seminar. Have we just witnessed the death of the 'fauxmance'?
Plus, in the US, a 20-year-old woman has won a landmark case against YouTube and Meta. She accused the tech billionaires of 'engineering addiction' and ruining her childhood in the process. Their punishment is negligible, so why is this moment being called social media’s ‘Big Tobacco’ moment? And is it a reason for Australia to feel smug about our child social media ban?
In other business, a new biography of Queen Elizabeth II is shattering the 'cuddly grandma' illusion. Why are we so obsessed with minimising the most powerful women in history into just 'nice old ladies'?
Also, anyone want to go to the Evil Ex-Situationship Boxing Rave? Welcome to the particular hell of organised fun.
And Emily, Holly, and Clare discuss the Boomer Hospital reveal. Otherwise known as why your mum waits until five minutes into the phone call to tell you dad’s in the ER.
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What to read:
All the lies Robert Pattinson has ever told.
Queen Elizabeth II has died. Her passing marks the end of an extraordinary era.
Fellow Millenials, enough with the 'OK Boomer', already. It's embarrassing.
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We’re following The Washington Post and asking the question Clare Stephens has been quietly pondering for a while: Are boomers the real iPad babies?
Plus, it’s been celebrity facelift week on social media and it’s unclear if actress Denise Richards is being celebrated as a person or an old church in the spon-con post telling us about her “restoration”. Holly wants to know if being open about your facelift is the new vulnerability, or are we just applauding the erasure of a life well-lived?
And, if you’re tired of the "How are you?" and "What are you doing?" cycle of boring small talk, Em has some very specific (and slightly unhinged) alternatives. From questioning how many pigeons it would take in your house before you suspected a conspiracy, to identifying which kitchen utensil you feel most connected to, the woman has you covered.
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Recommendations
Em recommends Deadloch Season 2 on prime.
Clare recommends the blog Wait But Why by Tim Urban, specifically, 10 Thoughts from the Fourth Trimester
Holly recommends the Good Hang with Viola Davis & specifically Julius
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Listen to our latest episode: Mia's Babble: The Very Best Bit About Bum Checks
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Listen: Polyamory, Cheating & The Marriage No One Wants To Believe
Listen: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: Burnout & Bras & Books, Oh My!
Listen: A Dangerous Influencer Trend & Scurrilous Lip-Reading Gossip
Listen: 'Are Flaps In Or Out?' Mia's Rogue Oscars Fashion Feedback
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What to read:
Two famous women just told us what they did to their faces. Somehow, it's still not enough.
The uncomfortable truth about the reaction to Anne Hathaway's 'new face'.
We finally love Anne Hathaway again, she only had to change everything about herself.
'I thought I was bad at small talk. Turns out, I was doing it wrong.'
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Emily Vernem, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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It’s all anyone’s talking about: petrol. How much it’s costing, how much there is to go around and how much worse are things going to get? Is the panic caused by this consequence of war in the Middle East warranted, considering the humanitarian crisis unfolding at the same time? And how do we keep our cool, particularly those of us in regional areas where public transport is a myth?
Plus, Sarah Ferguson has been caught up in a controversy that is, frankly, bizarre even for the royals: she’s been approached to clone and sell Queen Elizabeth's corgis for a reality TV show. Is cloning the late Queen’s pets the ultimate side hustle or a bridge too far?
In other business, noughties fashion icon Rachel Zoe is back in the algorithm, and she’s hard launching her 'divorce era' on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Is the 'Hot Divorcee' trope actually the most empowering thing on TV right now?
And, we remember Married At First Sight expert Mel Schilling, who has passed away at 54. Her 'Why Not?' attitude and her work raising awareness of colon cancer is a legacy we’re holding close today. As Mel was passionate about telling busy women: If something doesn't feel right, please, get it checked out.
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Listen to the Quicky explainer: Tributes For MAFS Expert Mel Schilling & Explained: Petrol, Panic Buying & Price Pressure
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Listen: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
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Listen: A Dangerous Influencer Trend & Scurrilous Lip-Reading Gossip
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What to read:
We need to discuss Fergie and the alleged 'corgi cloning'.
Beloved MAFS expert, Mel Schilling, has died aged 54.
Meghan Markle is coming to Australia. And so, it seems, is her jam.
Rachel Zoe became one of the most famous faces in fashion. This is what her life looks like now.
'At 51, I know one thing. You aren't meant to be with one person for the rest of your life.'
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The death of millennial feminism. A bad marriage. Absolutely none of our business.
These are just some of the Internet’s takes on the memoir Adult Braces by millennial icon Lindy West. And of course Mia — who has met and interviewed Lindy and found her delightful and blisteringly smart — has a few opinions of her own.
Joined on this subscriber episode by Clare Stephens and Holly Wainwright, Mia asks and answers some questions about the most talked-about memoir of the moment. Questions like: If you spill all the details of your polyamorous throuple in a series of personal essays, can you actually argue that your relationship is not 'for public audit'? And: Do we just find it impossible to believe a woman can be happy in a non-monogamous relationship? And: When someone tells you they really, really don’t want to be monogamous, shouldn’t you just believe them?

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What to read:
Author Lindy West thought she had a 'perfect' marriage. Then her husband asked to open it.
Lindy West: "I was in a relationship with a guy who was embarrassed to be seen with me in public."
Lindy West: "My abortion was simple with no pain. We need to hear these stories."
He set up a fake profile of her deceased father, just to mess with her.
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Question: Why was the latest season of The Bachelorette US cancelled days before release, costing more than US$30 million? Well, it’s got something to do with stunt casting and a very disturbing video leak…
Also, millennial feminist icon Lindy West has written a memoir about being in a happily married throuple. The problem is, the Internet has seen her unvarnished honesty and unilaterally decided her book is a lie. Does West protest too much? Or do we have a problem believing a woman could ever be happy beyond the white picket fence?
Plus, nap times, little lunch and a giant TV on wheels. Things we miss from primary school that should definitely be part of the workplace, pls.
And, Chappell Roan and Coldplay kiss-cam star Kristin Cabot have some facts for us about public shaming.
Oh, and how about those Matildas? The lessons we can only learn from (almost) winning.
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Listen to No Filter: Lindy West Isn't Afraid to Take Up Space.
Listen to our latest episode: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: Burnout & Bras & Books, Oh My!
Listen: A Dangerous Influencer Trend & Scurrilous Lip-Reading Gossip
Listen: 'Are Flaps In Or Out?' Mia's Rogue Oscars Fashion Feedback
Listen: A Very Awkward Oscars & That Manosphere Doco
Listen: What We Did Before 9am
Listen: A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Very Surprising, Very Wonderful Twins Update
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What to read:
Author Lindy West thought she had a 'perfect' marriage. Then her husband asked to open it.
Lindy West: "I was in a relationship with a guy who was embarrassed to be seen with me in public."
Chappell Roan can take a stand, we apparently just need her to suffer a bit first.
Kristin was at the centre of the Coldplay kiss cam video. She just shared her side of the story.
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