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Scrolling 2 Death

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    [WEEK 6 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: A Psychologist, A Whistleblower + Plaintiff Rests Their Case

    08/03/2026 | 1h 12 mins.
    This week inside the courtroom, science took center stage — and the stakes were higher than ever.

    Dr. Kara Bagot, a psychiatrist and neuroscientist who helped develop the NIH’s landmark ABCD brain study, spent five days on the stand. She testified that to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, Kaley developed social media addiction — and that YouTube acted as the “gateway,” beginning at just six years old. She walked the jury through the platform features that fuel compulsive use: infinite scroll, autoplay, algorithms, notifications, likes, filters, Shorts, Reels, and the lack of meaningful age verification.

    Under intense cross-examination from Meta and YouTube’s attorneys, Dr. Bagot held her ground — insisting on context over yes-or-no soundbites. Jurors watched closely. When she was finally excused, there as a quiet applause.

    Then came former Meta safety executive and whistleblower Arturo Bejar. He testified that by 2019, Meta researchers had identified addiction as a serious issue — but leadership discouraged even using the word, replacing it with “problematic use.” He described internal knowledge of harmful design choices, ineffective safety tools, and what he called “dark patterns,” including the infamous “blue button” that discouraged user reporting.

    Arturo also testified that age verification is not technically difficult — and that Meta could remove millions of under-13 users if it chose to.

    Next up was child safety expert and mom, Brooke Istook. Brooke powerfully described the generational tech gap, Instagram's growth team promoting FINSTAs, misleading safety promises, and the no-win position families face trying to supervise platforms designed to outmaneuver them.

    By week’s end, the Plaintiffs rested their case and the Defense began calling witnesses in the form of video depositions.

    Meanwhile, outside this courtroom, the pressure is mounting. Big tech lobbyists have infiltrated important online safety legislation and 33 new families across 19 states have joined the consolidated JCCP litigation, with Roblox newly added to the complaints.

    Thousands of families. Dozens of states. And now jurors — everyday people — watching some of the richest companies in the world fight a single family over what caused a young girl’s harm.

    These are the tobacco trials of our generation.

    We’re inside the courtroom translating it all in real time — joined this week by Christine Almadjian, legislative consultant and courtroom observer, and Lennon Torres of Heat Initiative — bringing you the moments that mattered, the legal context behind the strategy, and what it means for families everywhere.

    Because this fight isn’t abstract.
    It’s about the apps in our kids’ pockets.
    It’s about truth, justice and accountability.
    And it’s about whether these companies will finally be forced to change.

    We stand with families.

    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.

    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.
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    [BONUS EPISODE] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Meta Whistleblower Brian Boland

    05/03/2026 | 49 mins.
    What really happens inside one of the most powerful companies in the world?

    This week, we sit down with Brian Boland, a former senior leader at Facebook (pre-Meta), who spent more than a decade helping build and scale Facebook and Instagram's advertising systems — and later testified in court about what he saw.

    Brian was in the courtroom for nearly five hours. In this candid conversation, he pulls back the curtain on:
    What it feels like to testify under oath against your former company
    How Meta’s internal culture shifted after whistleblowers like Frances Haugen spoke out
    The reality of Mark Zuckerberg’s power inside the company — and why the board can’t remove him
    How algorithms are built, tested, and optimized — and why even engineers don’t fully understand their long-term impacts
    Whether Meta is truly incentivized to limit teen usage
    The truth about ad revenue from minors
    How accurate age-estimation technology really is — and why that matters
    What whistleblowing actually costs the people who do it

    Brian doesn’t call for the end of social media. In fact, he believes these platforms could be built to strengthen communities. But he’s clear: the current incentives — profit, growth, daily active users — drive decisions that put engagement above safety.

    He also shares what he told executives, including Mark Zuckerberg, before he left — and the response he received.

    If you’ve ever wondered:
    Are these platforms intentionally habit-forming?
    Do they really know how young users are?
    Could they reduce harm if they wanted to?
    Why don’t more insiders speak out?

    This episode is essential listening.

    It’s a rare, inside look at how power, profit, algorithms, and accountability collide — and what it might actually take to force change.

    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.

    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.

    Research mentioned in the episode: Social media platforms generate billions of dollars in revenue from U.S. youth: Findings from a simulated revenue model (Raffoul article)
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    [WEEK 5 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Kaley Takes the Stand

    01/03/2026 | 1h 2 mins.
    This week, we’re joined by Meta whistleblower Brian Boland, who appeared as a witness in this trial, and law student Christine Almadjian, who has spent hours inside the courtroom watching this case unfold. Christine is also a legislative consultant with END OSEAC.

    Thousands of families, school districts, and dozens of states have filed consolidated lawsuits against TikTok, YouTube, Meta, and Snap Inc., alleging their platforms were deliberately designed to addict and harm children. Some are calling this “the tobacco trial of our generation.”

    The first case centers on Kaley — a child like yours and mine — facing the most powerful companies in the world.

    This week, YouTube’s VP of Engineering defended the algorithm as internal documents revealed research linking excessive use to addiction, sleep disruption, anxiety, depression, and body image issues — along with features like autoplay designed to increase watch time. We heard testimony that kids using YouTube while logged out are treated like adults, with no safety features enabled.

    A data expert challenged Meta and YouTube’s reported ad revenue from minors, citing “significant errors and contradictions,” followed by testimony from Kaley's therapist.

    Then Kaley took the stand.

    She described creating multiple accounts to like her own videos and posts, sneaking her phone at night, spending up to 16 hours a day on Instagram, feeling panic without her device — and still, at 20 years old, struggling to stop. When asked whether she had addiction, anxiety, depression, or body dysmorphia before social media, her answer was simple: no.

    Meta and YouTube pushed back hard, pointing to family conflict and school bullying. In just a few weeks, the jury will decide if social media was a subsantial factor in her mental heath struggles.

    This case isn’t just about one family. It’s about millions of kids — and what happens next affects all of us.

    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.

    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.
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    [WEEK 4 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Zuckerberg. A Whistleblower. The Trial Ignites.

    21/02/2026 | 59 mins.
    This week on The Heat is On…Big Tech on Trial, the spotlight was on Mark Zuckerberg — but it didn’t stay there for long.

    Nicki Petrossi and Sarah Gardner take you inside a dramatic week in court as Zuckerberg faced questioning about youth safety, platform design, and internal company practices — followed by testimony from a former insider whose statements directly conflicted with his.

    In this episode:
    The most revealing exchanges from Zuckerberg’s time on the stand
    The key claims he made — and what evidence challenged them
    A whistleblower’s testimony that told a very different story about how platforms operate
    Emotional reactions from parents watching it unfold in real time
    Why legal observers say this week could shift momentum in the trial
    A new Annual Report by Bark connecting Kaley's harm to children today

    Millions are watching because what happens here will reshape accountability for the most powerful tech companies in the world.
    This isn’t just a trial. It’s a turning point.

    Thank you to our special guest, Titania Jordan of Bark Technologies. Here's their 2025 Annual Report, referenced in the episode.

    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.

    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.
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    [WEEK 3 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Opening Statements. First Witnesses.

    14/02/2026 | 57 mins.
    Week 3 marks a turning point inside the courtroom: opening statements begin, the first witnesses take the stand, and the stakes become unmistakably real. Hosts Nicki Petrossi and Sarah Gardner (of Heat Initiative) bring you inside the proceedings as plaintiffs and defense lay out competing narratives about what happened to Kaley—and what responsibility tech giants bear.

    Plaintiff attorney Mark Lanier delivers what attendees call a “masterclass” opening, previewing internal records from YouTube and Meta suggesting early-age targeting and engineering for addiction. Defense attorney Paul Schmidt counters with a starkly different claim: that social platforms can benefit vulnerable teens and that responsibility lies elsewhere - on parents. YouTube counsel Louis Lee insists repeatedly: YouTube is not social media.

    The first expert witness, addiction psychiatrist Dr. Anna Lembke of Stanford University, author of Dopamine Nation, walks jurors through the neuroscience of compulsive use—arguing that platform design features can function like addictive stimuli, especially for adolescents. Cross-examinations grow tense as attorneys challenge her comparisons and conclusions.

    Midweek brings the highly anticipated testimony of Adam Mosseri, head of Instagram, questioned about past statements on social media addiction, teen safety, and whether growth incentives conflict with child protection. Outside the courthouse, grieving parents—including featured guest John DeMay—camp overnight for seats, hold direct actions targeting Snapchat, and remind the world what this trial is really about: children.

    You’ll hear:
    Real-time courthouse reflections
    Parent voices from the steps outside
    Key courtroom exchanges that could shape the verdict
    Legal context explaining what jurors must decide

    Next week’s witnesses raise the stakes even higher, with expected testimony from Mark Zuckerberg and Neal Mohan.

    Because this isn’t just a trial. It’s a reckoning. And we’re translating every moment that matters for families everywhere.

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Scrolling 2 Death is a podcast for parents who are worried about social media. Through interviews with parents and experts, we explore smartphone use, screen time, school-issued devices, social media use and so much more.
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