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Conor Byrne
That's What I Call Marketing
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    S5Ep14:  Personalisation is just good prediction with CEO James Taylor

    05/05/2026 | 38 mins.
    We talk about personalisation as if it’s about the person. It isn’t. It’s about prediction.”
    That line sits at the centre of this conversation with James Taylor, CEO & Founder of A Particular Audience and once you hear it properly, it’s difficult to go back to how most marketing teams currently think about relevance. Because for years, personalisation has been framed as something close to one-to-one messaging. The idea that if we just had enough data, we could tailor every experience to the individual. It sounds right. It feels intuitive. And yet, in practice, it has largely disappointed.

    What James lays out here is a different way of understanding the problem.
    Not who the customer is — but what they are doing.
    Not static segments — but real-time signals.
    Not demographics — but behaviour.

    Drawing on his experience building AI-driven recommendation systems used by global retailers, he explains how the most effective ecommerce experiences are not built around people, but around patterns. Around the relationships between products, actions, and intent. Around what millions of other customers have done before you, and what that makes likely next. This fundamentally changes how you think about websites, search, media, and even creativity.

    Along the way, the conversation explores why so many early personalisation efforts failed, how Amazon and Netflix approached the problem differently, and why most retailers are still playing catch-up despite having access to the same underlying data.
    There’s also a more grounded thread running through it — the reality of AI in practice. Not the version you see in product demos or LinkedIn posts, but the version that still requires constraints, rules, and human oversight. The version that gets things wrong. The version that can be incredibly powerful, but only when properly understood.
    For marketers, there’s a useful tension here, on one side, the promise of hyper-relevance and automation, on the other, the discipline required to make it actually work.

    This episode sits right in that space.
    ⏱️ Key Moments:
    00:00 – Why “you are not your demographic” changes everything
    02:15 – From investment banking to building AI products
    08:00 – The real meaning of personalisation (and why it’s been misunderstood)
    12:30 – Behaviour vs demographics: what actually drives relevance
    18:00 – Building a recommendation engine from scratch
    26:00 – Why most retailers still lag behind Amazon
    30:00 – How AI is changing marketing teams
    34:00 – The limits of AI (and why rules still matter)
    36:30 – “Personalisation is just good prediction”
    What you’ll take from this episode:
    Why most personalisation strategies fail to deliver
    How recommendation systems actually work in ecommerce
    The difference between explicit and implicit customer signals
    Why demographics are often a poor proxy for behaviour
    How AI should (and shouldn’t) be used in marketing today
    What marketers need to rethink about relevance and experience design

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    S5Ep13: Christmas in April with Pete Markey & Leanne Tomasevic powered by Electric Twin

    27/04/2026 | 37 mins.
    How Brands Should Really Be Planning Christmas Campaigns
    What happens when you start planning Christmas… in April?
    In this episode of That’s What I Call Marketing, Conor Byrne is joined by Pete Markey (former CMO of Boots, Marketing Week Marketer of the Year) and Leanne Tomasevic (Insights Lead at Electric Twin) to explore how brands should approach Christmas advertising — using real-time synthetic audience insights.
    Instead of guessing what consumers want, this episode puts Electric Twin’s platform to the test live, revealing how marketers can simulate audience reactions, test ideas, and sharpen creative briefs months before campaigns go live.
    The result is a grounded, practical look at:
    What people actually want from Christmas ads in 2026
    Why emotional storytelling still matters (but needs reframing)
    The role of celebrities, music, and consistency
    How to balance commercial pressure with authenticity
    And how AI-driven research can speed up better decisions
    If you’re working on a Christmas campaign, brand strategy, or creative development, this is a genuinely useful watch.
    ⏱️ Timestamps
    00:00 – The reality of planning Christmas in April
    01:10 – What Electric Twin actually does (synthetic audiences explained)
    03:00 – Why speed matters in modern marketing decision-making
    05:30 – Live demo: Understanding the mood of the nation at Christmas
    08:30 – What consumers really want this year (family, realism, restraint)
    12:00 – Gifting trends: practicality vs meaningful connection
    14:30 – The balance between storytelling and selling
    16:00 – What people want from Christmas ads now
    18:00 – Should brands use celebrities? (and when it works)
    21:00 – The role of consistency (Kevin the Carrot, John Lewis, Coca-Cola)
    24:00 – Realism vs escapism in Christmas creative
    27:00 – How agencies can use this to build stronger briefs
    29:00 – The most memorable Christmas ads and why they last
    32:00 – Should brands reuse ads instead of making new ones?
    33:00 – Why music is critical to Christmas advertising effectiveness
    35:30 – Final thoughts: faster insight, better decisions
    🎯 Key Takeaways
    Christmas advertising isn’t about excess — it’s about connection under constraint
    Consumers want authenticity, not performance
    Creative effectiveness improves when insight is iterative, not static
    Consistency often beats novelty in building long-term brand memory
    AI isn’t replacing research — it’s changing how quickly you can think
    🔗 Links & Resources
    Learn more about Electric Twin: https://electrictwin.com
    Listen to more episodes: That’s What I Call Marketing
    Previous episode with Dr. Ben Warner (Synthetic Research deep dive)
    🎙️ About the Podcast
    That’s What I Call Marketing features conversations with leading marketers, CMOs, and industry thinkers — focused on how marketing actually works in practice.
    If you’re working on Christmas 2026 right now, get in touch with Electric Twin

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    The Singles: The hot hits of April with McDonald’s, KitKat & Bieber

    21/04/2026 | 27 mins.
    The Singles is back with a new line-up from Tracksuit, looking at the marketing stories everyone is talking about In this episode joined by Bella & Ed we take a look at the data behind three very different moments
    McDonald’s shifts the conversation away from product and towards Gen Z employees, at a time when confidence in job opportunities for young people is low. It could easily have drifted into familiar employer-brand territory, but early signals suggest it is doing something more meaningful, with trust moving among younger audiences in a category where that is not easy to shift.
    KitKat finds itself at the centre of a global story after 12 tonnes of product are stolen, and instead of containing it, turns it into something participatory. Consumers are actively engaging, brands are joining in, and even a “KitKat” crypto coin spikes by 2000%. Most reactive marketing creates attention. Very little of it changes behaviour. This one starts to.
    Justin Bieber’s Coachella set works in a different way, stripping everything back and building the performance around YouTube. Nearly 6 million people stream it, and it splits opinion in a way that keeps it moving. It takes something familiar and presents it in a way that forces people to reprocess it, which is often where attention sustains rather than fades.

    Along the way, the conversation gets into why authenticity is showing up differently in production, how nostalgia actually works when brands get it right, and why participation is becoming more valuable than passive reach.

    05:00 – McDonald’s: trust, Gen Z and employer brand
    10:30 – KitKat: heist, participation and brand response
    15:50 – Justin Bieber: YouTube, nostalgia and polarisation
    20:30 – Nostalgia in advertising and brand memory
    25:00 – Always-on tracking and what the data shows

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    S5Ep12: Meet The Young Lions Headed to Cannes

    13/04/2026 | 31 mins.
    The first Cannes Sessions episode of That’s What I Call Marketing is here and we kick off the series by interviewing three Irish IAPI Young Lions winner teams heading to Cannes: Darragh Spain and Fardosa Flanagan (Young Marketer, 123.ie/Intact Insurance), Ciara and Niamh (Film, Droga5), and Emily and Rhea (Digital, Omnicom Media). They discuss why they entered, how they tackled the 48-hour brief, research and insight methods, time management, prototyping and AI tools for film, adapting to an older target audience, presentation pressure, reactions to winning, and how they’re preparing for Cannes through past work review, equipment planning, bootcamps, and confidence. The Cannes Sessions are brought to you by The Digital Voice.

    These interviews shine a spotlight on their exceptional talents and the creative potential that exists within the next generation of marketing leaders, lets support and celebrate these future leaders as they prepare to bring home some medals from one of the most prestigious events in the marketing world.

    01:05 Young Lions Explained
    01:40 Meet the Winning Teams
    02:43 Darragh and Fardosa Intro
    03:19 Cracking the Brief
    04:33 Research and Insights
    06:55 Teamwork Under Pressure
    08:21 Shortlist to Presentation
    10:11 Winning the Call
    11:29 Preparing for Cannes
    12:55 Niamh and Ciara Win
    13:35 Film Category Workflow
    15:45 Agency Advantage
    16:21 Why Enter Young Lions
    17:07 Choosing a Category
    17:22 Learning Film Skills
    18:06 Upskilling With AI
    18:52 Planning For Cannes
    19:35 Storytelling Edge
    21:07 Why Enter Young Lions
    22:24 Team Dynamic Under Pressure
    24:03 Choosing The Digital Route
    24:51 Cracking The Age Group
    25:39 Winning Call Reaction
    26:42 Cannes Prep And Mindset

    Sponsored by The Digital Voice, the amplification agency working with global ad tech and martech brands across press, thought leadership, content, social, events, and creative.
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    S5Ep11: Descript CEO on What Actually Grows A Product.

    31/03/2026 | 40 mins.
    Laura Burkhauser, CEO of Descript, explains the surprising truth about what actually grows a product.

    Most marketing advice assumes growth comes from better targeting, smarter funnels, or stronger loyalty. Laura sees it differently.

    In this episode, we get into what actually drives product growth — and why some of the most widely accepted ideas in marketing and SaaS don’t hold up when you look at real behaviour. From why freemium often fails, to why loyalty doesn’t grow your business (but still matters), to what AI will and won’t change — this is a grounded, operator-level view of how products actually scale.

    If you work in marketing, product, or growth, this will likely challenge a few default assumptions.

    In this episode, we cover:
    Growth doesn’t come from loyalty — it comes from penetration
    Most freemium models don’t work the way companies think they do
    “Target audiences” often aren’t real, connected communities
    AI will amplify creativity, not replace it
    Customer care is one of the last real competitive advantages

    02:00 – What Descript actually is and who it’s for
    04:30 – Product vs product marketing: the career fork that shapes everything
    07:30 – Why big tech can slow you down (and what startups get right)
    10:00 – Moving from product leader to CEO — what actually changes
    13:30 – The freemium myth: why it didn’t work the way they expected
    15:00 – “Are we dating or not?” — a better model for product growth
    16:30 – How products actually get discovered (SEO, content, and reality)
    18:00 – Why most “target audiences” aren’t real communities
    20:30 – The shift from founder-led to customer-led companies
    22:00 – What customers are actually good at telling you (and what they’re not)
    24:30 – Why customer care is a competitive advantage (and why most companies cut it)
    25:00 – Loyalty isn’t growth — but it might be your moat
    26:00 – How to actually achieve penetration in a crowded market
    28:00 – The challenge of building a product for “everyone”
    30:00 – AI, content, and the future of podcasting — what’s real vs hype
    33:00 – Why most AI-generated content won’t work
    34:30 – The “Finding Nemo” moment AI still hasn’t had
    36:00 – Scaling a company without losing creativity
    37:00 – Why “intrepid” might be the most important mindset for modern teams

    About Laura Burkhauser
    Laura Burkhauser is the CEO of Descript, one of the most widely used platforms for podcasting, video editing, and content creation. She has held senior product leadership roles at companies including Amazon and Twitter, and is known for her product-first approach to growth.

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Conor Byrne hosts That's What I Call Marketing meeting some of the most incredible marketing minds in our industry, CMO's, founders and marketing leaders from across the globe, this podcast tackles the big issues facing marketers today, as well as providing inspiration by hearing the incredible stories marketing leaders share of their journey to the top. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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