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Jennifer Zuccarini is the founder, creative director, and CEO of Fleur du Mal. Before launching her lingerie brand, Zuccarini studied at the Fashion Institute of Technology in the early 2000s. After she graduated, she worked with New York–based designers in the Garment District before briefly working in freelance trend forecasting. Then, in 2005, she cofounded her first intimate-apparel brand, Kiki de Montparnasse, and served as its creative director for three years. She then transitioned to working for Victoria’s Secret as its design director of intimates, where she worked for four years. In 2012, she returned to entrepreneurship and cofounded her second company, Fleur du Mal, a brand with a fashion-driven approach to luxury lingerie and ready to wear. Today, she serves as creative director and CEO of Fleur du Mal as it continues to grow, launching a fifth brick-and-mortar store in 2027 and maintaining a roster of dedicated celebrity fans such as Charli XCX and Dua Lipa.

This week, Hillary sits down in studio with the costume designer of Nobody Wants This, Negar Ali Kline, to dive into all things season 3. From evolving Joanne's wardrobe as she converts to Judaism to crafting Morgan's over-the-top looks to where you can shop some of the season's buzziest pieces, they get into it all. If you haven't watched season 3 yet, please be warned that this episode does contain spoilers!

You can listen to Ali Kline's previous episode covering seasons 1 and 2 here.

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Hannah Cheng is the cofounder of the frozen-dumpling brand Mimi Cheng's, but before she and her sister started their dumpling empire, Cheng was working at J.P. Morgan on the rates derivatives sales desk. While working in finance, Cheng frequently brought her mother's homemade dumplings into her office, where her coworkers begged for her to share. Upon realizing the demand for Taiwanese comfort food, Cheng and her sister decided to open a Taiwanese restaurant in the East Village in 2014, naming it Mimi Cheng's as an ode to their mom. The sisters then went on to open four more restaurants in New York City before expanding into the frozen-food space, which was their goal all along. Cheng and her sister recently made the decision to close the restaurant side of the business to focus on selling their frozen dumplings, and Mimi Cheng's is now available nationwide in Whole Foods, Bristol Farms, and many other retailers.

This month marks Who What Wear's 20th anniversary! To celebrate, we're spending all of October with guests who have left an indelible mark on the fashion-and-beauty world and grown up alongside us over the past two decades.

This week, Hillary is joined by her good friend Jen Atkin, celebrity hairstylist and founder of Ouai and Mane. Even if you're not familiar with Atkin, you've likely heard her name dropped by numerous guests on this show. Atkin has styled some of our favorite It girls' most iconic looks and founded two incredibly successful hair brands. But above all, she has been a champion of and mentor to other artists. Today, she chats all about building her hair empire; the behind-the-scenes details of some of her buzziest celeb looks, from Hailey Bieber to Bella Hadid; and the impact she has had on the hair industry.

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Monica Padman is the cocreator, cohost, and producer of Armchair Expert. In her first Second Life episode in 2021, Padman chatted about her early dreams of being an actress and how she transitioned from nanny to creative partner to Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard. Since her last episode, Padman has grown in her role as host and producer. She and Shepard continue to cohost Armchair Expert, and they were even nominated at the 2026 Golden Globes in the inaugural Best Podcast category. Padman has also been instrumental in adding numerous shows under the Armchair Umbrella, and she's even branched out into the true crime space with her podcast Beth's Dead, which is starting production for season 2. We recorded this special conversation in the studio, so if you'd like to watch this episode, make sure to check out the video version on Spotify.