The Other 22 Hours

This week, we dive into our archives for this special reissue of our conversation with GRAMMY-nominated singer-songwriter, producer, activist, and chef Ruby Amanfu. Known for her profound collaborations with H.E.R., Brandi Carlile, Alicia Keys, and Beyoncé, Ruby has navigated the highest peaks of the music industry while fiercely protecting her inner peace. In this episode, we explore the structural collisions that force us to speak our truth, the reality of reclaiming your identity outside of financial validation, and what happens when we finally release our death grip on how we thought our lives would look.
In This Episode:
Ruby Amanfu
Sam and Ruby
Porter’s Call
Andy Little
MusiCares
Lee Ann Womack
Willie Nelson
Love Rising Concert

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The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).
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Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

What happens when creative people stop looking for a seat at the table and build a table of their own? For generations society has treated an artist's life as an economic sideline, a romanticized piecemeal struggle. Today, we are witnessing a structural revolution. With Colorado recently passing the nation's first Artist Corporation legislation (the Colorado Artist Company Act) in June 2026, we are reissuing our definitive conversation with the architect of that very movement, Yancey Strickler.
As the co-founder of Kickstarter, Metalabel, and the Artist Corporations Foundation, Yancey has dedicated his life to equipping creators with the structural tools to act as real entrepreneurs. In this expansive conversation, we trace the line between blue-collar artistry and private equity, explore why the industry trades meaning for convenience, and look closely at how interdependent networks can finally break the cycle of artistic exploitation.
In This Episode:
Yancey Strickler
A-Corps
Colorado Legislation, June 2026
MetaLabel
The Creative Independent
Hipgnosis
Nirvana
The Royal Alberta Advantage
Ep 68 - Evan Honer
“All The King’s Men”
Virgil Abloh
Bentoism
CS Lewis - “The Inner Ring”

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The Hosts:
The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).
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Credits: 
Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

We often treat our creative identities like lanes, fearing that branching out looks like simple dilettantism. This week, we explore the delicate balance of identity and creative output with singer-songwriter Hrishikesh Hirway, the brilliant mind behind hit podcasts The West Wing Weekly and Home Cooking, as well as the globally-acclaimed Netflix series and podcast 'Song Exploder,' which features the likes of Paul McCartney, Billie Eilish, REM, and Lin-Manuel Miranda.
Despite a decade of monumental success in the podcast and broadcast worlds, Hrishikesh found himself battling a quiet, profound depression born from leaving his primary identity as a singer-songwriter behind. He recently returned to music with his first album in 15 years and joins us for a beautifully tender conversation on breaking through a 10-year writer's block, navigating the vulnerability of cold-calling collaborators, and learning to sit comfortably within a "queer divine dissatisfaction."
In This Episode:
Hrishikesh Hirway
Song Exploder (Podcast / Netflix Series)
Alison Russell
Linda Ronstadt
Talking Heads
The Band
The Grateful Dead
Bob Dylan
Phil Weinrobe
Ep 117 - Maia Friedman
Jeff Tweedy - How to Write One Song (Book)
Carl Jung / Depth Psychology
The West Wing Weekly (Podcast)
Home Cooking (Podcast)
Samin Nosrat
Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat (Book)
Josh Malina
Allison Janney
Jenny Owen Youngs
Yep Roc Records
John Mark Nelson
Matt Ross Spang (Memphis TED Talk)
Agnes de Mille
Martha Graham

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The Hosts:
The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).
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More about Michaela Anne’s work.

Credits: 
Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

What does it mean to inhabit a creative life when that container itself changes? We sit down with GRAMMY-nominated, multi-platinum crossover superstar Amy Grant. Having shaped the landscape of pop and contemporary Christian music for over four decades, Grant found herself navigating an unexpected wilderness following a series of medical setbacks – including a traumatic bike accident – and a rewritten relationship with her own processing speed. In this soulful, luminous conversation, she explores the deliberate art of slowing down, the creative sanctuary of "Craftopia," and why she now views aging not as a loss of identity, but as a continual invitation to let go.
In This Episode:
Amy Grant
Vince Gill
Eagles
Mac McAnally
Jimmy Buffett
Coral Reefer Band
Barefoot Republic
NPR’s Wildcard podcast
Ray Charles
Cicely Tyson
Roots (miniseries)
Franklin Graham
Viktor Frankl
Man's Search for Meaning
Gene Miller
Dr. Jim Netterville
Suleika Jaouad

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The Hosts:
The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).
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More about Michaela Anne’s work.

Credits: 
Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.

How do you build a sustainable life around your art when the traditional definitions of success feel increasingly narrow? In this conversation, we sit down with musician, songwriter, and educator James Gardin. While his joyous, infectious music has found a global audience through major sync campaigns for brands like Apple, Tommy Hilfiger, and Saks Fifth Avenue, James’s core creative philosophy is anchored in something much more grounded: community, education, and the refusal to second-guess the spark. Together, we explore the nuts-and-bolts realities of the licensing world, the absolute humility required to teach songwriting to eight year olds, and how letting go of the industry's arbitrary rules allows us to finally blaze our own paths.
In This Episode:
James Gardin
Lizzo
Marshmello
J Dilla
Proof
Elzhi
Slum Village
Liza Garza
Def Poetry Jam
SZA
Chance the Rapper
Marmoset
Musicbed
iSpot.tv
TuneFind
Western States Center
Eric Ward
All of the Above Hip Hop Academy
Trails End Camp
Brooklyn Philharmonic
Sinners
Ryan Coogler

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Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.
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The Hosts:
The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).
More about Aaron’s work.
More about Michaela Anne’s work.

Credits: 
Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.