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This Working Life
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  • This Working Life

    Simone Stolzoff wants you to be uncertain!

    13/09/2026 | 25 mins.
    It feels like we’re constantly being asked to know things, to be rock solid in our information.  
    But is this desire for control and certainty stopping us from making better decisions both at work, and about our working lives?  
    Journalist and author Simone Stolzoff has a lot of ideas about our brains and how we go to work! 
    He’s  been circling the globe hunting out people who trying to understand doubt and uncertainty for his new book How to Not Know: The Value of Uncertainty in a World That Demands Answers. 
    So, what don't you know? 
    Guest:
    Simone Stolzoff, journalist and author of How to Not Know  and The Good Enough Job
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
  • This Working Life

    You're being measured!

    06/09/2026 | 25 mins.
    Do you measure up?
    Digital and AI tools coupled with an increased desire for productivity means we’re being marked more closely than ever before. 
    New research shows that when we know how we're being measured we stop prioritising the work that isn't measured, especially if we think the systems aren't transparent or fair. 
    Lisa gets stuck into the modern map of "metricisation" to see how to defend soft skills from a passion for measurement! 
    The Radio National Top 100 Australian Books countdown is underway - make your vote count!  Our Work Book guest is ABC Business reporter Daniel Ziffer and his pick for the This Working Life book club is Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America by Barbara Ehrenreich. 
    Guests: 
    Dr Martin Edwards, Organisational psychologist and Professor in Management in the University of Queensland Business School
    Daniel Ziffer, ABC Business Reporter and author of A Wunch of Bankers: A Year in the Hayne Royal Commission
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
  • This Working Life

    Fluorescent lights burning you out?

    30/08/2026 | 25 mins.
    How does your office make you feel? Are you an open plan convert or dying under the halogen lighting? 
    We spend a lot of time in our workplaces and the way they’re designed can have a huge impact on our mental and physical wellbeing. 
    Psychologists and architects are worried we've sleep walked into a world where the standard office design is actively burning workers out quick smart. It's a problem for employees stuck in environments draining them of the will, and employers losing good staff to bad design. 
    So how do we fix it? Lisa dons a hard hat and goes looking for a smarter way to design modern workspaces. 
    And it’s the first week of the Radio National Top 100 Australian Books countdown! We kick off our series Work Book, getting the skinny on books that have changed the way people work.  Rob Kelly's pick for our Work Book reading list is The Undoing Project by Michael Lewis. 
    Guests: 
    Dr Patrick Aouad, Neurologist, neuroscientist and the CEO of healthcare company CU Health.   
    Natalie Phillips-Mason, Founder of Inclusive Change
    Michael Spinoglio, Design director of Spaceful
    Rob Kelly, Producer of This Working Life  
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
  • This Working Life

    What do you do in a crisis?

    23/08/2026 | 25 mins.
    How do you react in a crisis? Are you fight, flight, fawn or flee? 
    We all react differently to moments of panic and stress but one thing we all have in common is that they cause us to make rash and poor decisions. 
    Are we stuck like this or can we re-train ourselves to respond to panic and act or lead with a clear head? 
    Guest:
    Dr James Donald, Senior Lecturer in Work and Organisational Studies at Sydney University and co-author of The Clear Leader
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
  • This Working Life

    How to get hired in the AI age

    16/08/2026 | 25 mins.
    Artificial intelligence use in the job hunt is happening so fast it's hard to keep track and applicants and employers are feeling harassed by the speed of the change.  
    Candidates find themselves trapped in a paradox where they need to write applications that make it through the screening while also standing out when an application eventually reaches a human decision maker. 
    AI interviews are increasingly popular as well for hiring organisations which job hunters are reporting can make the process depressing and dehumanising. 
    Research on the impact of these tools in their first years also suggests that the use of AI tools for hiring runs the risk of discriminatory practices being baked into the process. There's also a concern that employers run the risk of ending up with a distinct lack of diversity of thought in their teams. 
    But employers and hiring managers love these tools and argue that they can improve the process for job candidates as well. 
    So, what do we do? 
    Lisa logs on with a legal researcher into the impact of AI hiring models and gets the goods from behind the digital curtain on how to beat the bot!  
    Guests: 
    Dr Natalie Sheard, Lawyer and McKenzie Postdoctoral Fellow at the University of Melbourne studying discrimination by AI systems, particularly those used in employment.
    Rudy Crous, Organisational psychologist and CEO of AI Human Relations firm Compono 
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    You can binge more episodes of the This Working Life podcast with your on the job correspondent Lisa Leong on the ABC listen app (Australia) or wherever you get your podcasts. 
    Please email us at thisworkinglife@abc.net.au if you would like to get in touch, we read them all and love hearing from you!
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About This Working Life
You spend so much time on work, why accept the status quo, when there are ways to do it better? Get expert advice, research and hacks that will crush your inertia. Join Lisa Leong and other This Working Lifers as we experiment and explore the latest in the world of work.   We cover policy issues, like hybrid workplaces and remote work, employee wellbeing and organisational culture, the use of AI, employee surveillance, employee engagement, diversity and inclusion. We talk about progress on wider issues that relate to work, like work life balance, organisational change, restructures, and casualisation. On This Working Life our focus is on everything related to the people in a workplace too, including culture, individual experiences, performance management and career advice.
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