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    Gemini 4 Changed How Google Builds Products | Jaclyn Konzelmann

    01/11/2026 | 33 mins.
    Jaclyn is a product director at Google Labs and we had a great chat about how Gemini 4 changed her product job, how she keeps AI slop out of her team's docs and products, and how she's raising three kids with AI's help. Gemini 4 Carbon is currently the best model in the world based on benchmarks, and it was fun to get a sneak peek into how Google's own product leaders use it internally.

    Jaclyn and I talked about:

    (00:00) How Gemini 4 changed the PM job at Google
    (02:11) Should it even exist? How Google Labs picks what to build
    (09:16) The doc rule that keeps AI slop out of Google Labs
    (10:45) Which Labs experiments graduated into the Gemini app
    (12:53) Why Google Labs never treats a killed experiment as failure
    (17:43) Code is free, so what's actually worth building?
    (24:00) Her 5-year-old is the creative director of their AI podcast
    (26:30) Best screen time for kids: Creation, not consumption

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    šŸ“Œ Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/gemini-4-changed-how-google-builds-products-jaclyn-konzelmann

    Where to find Jaclyn:

    X: https://x.com/jacalulu
    Substack: https://substack.com/@jacalulu

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    We Built an AI CFO to Help You Grow Your Net Worth | Anthony Pompliano

    18/10/2026 | 41 mins.
    Pomp and I worked together at Facebook a decade ago before he became an investor, best-selling author, and public company CEO with an audience of 3.3M. We had a great chat about how to build an extraordinary career and life and how he's building Silvia, an AI CFO for independent investors, to take on the AI labs.

    Pomp and I talked about:

    (00:00) Why Pomp never had a career plan
    (04:43) Why an audience is the best way to win deal flow
    (10:33) Paid work trials instead of job interviews
    (18:35) Hire for revenue, not margins
    (20:32) Silvia: An AI CFO for independent investors
    (25:00) How AI found a tax strategy worth $100Ks a year
    (32:05) How a team of under 10 plans to compete with the AI labs
    (35:58) Pomp’s latest take on Bitcoin
    (39:21) How Pomp teaches his four kids to solve problems

    Thanks to our sponsors:

    Riverside: All-in-one AI studio for podcasts and video https://creators.riverside.com/PeterYang

    šŸ“Œ Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/we-built-an-ai-cfo-to-help-you-grow-net-worth-anthony-pompliano

    Where to find Pomp:

    X: https://x.com/APompliano
    Silvia: https://www.cfosilvia.com/

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    The 4-Step Agentic Engineering Workflow I Use to Ship Real Apps | Ras Mic

    11/10/2026 | 47 mins.
    Micky is a full-stack engineer who has taught 100K+ people how to build with AI. In our episode, he walked me through his 4-step agentic engineering workflow to avoid pumping out slop: Isolate every task, build to a clear structure, prove via validation loops, and ship after agents review your PRs or escalate to you for a manual look.

    Micky and I talked about:

    (00:00) Why most software factories pump out slop
    (02:06) Step 1 (Isolate): How to run multiple agents at once
    (07:18) Step 2 (Build): Give agents a structure to build on
    (10:44) Step 3 (Prove): Build agentic validation loops
    (16:48) The one step Micky never hands to agents
    (21:30) Step 4 (Ship): Getting agents to review PRs reliably
    (28:20) Why Micky doesn't write specs
    (33:08) Comparing Astra and Fable for coding
    (43:08) Are AI skills obsolete with today's models?

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    šŸ“Œ Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/agentic-engineering-workflow-ras-mic

    Where to find Micky:

    X: https://x.com/Rasmic
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@RasMic
    Skills: https://github.com/michaelshimeles/skills

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    How to Use AI to Survive (and Even Enjoy) Meetings | Sam Stephenson

    04/10/2026 | 33 mins.
    Sam is the co-founder of Granola, the AI meeting notes app now valued at $1.5B. Granola has helped me survive (and even enjoy) countless meetings, so I was excited to learn how Sam uses AI to show up prepared. We also talked about building an AI-native company without the 996 grind and what design means when agents skip your app entirely.

    Sam and I talked about:

    (00:00) The AI brief Sam now relies on before every new meeting
    (01:27) ā€œWhat did I miss?ā€: Granola’s most used recipe
    (03:45) Why Granola hides the transcript despite user complaints
    (09:37) A Granola recipe to get feedback from founders
    (13:54) Why Sam feels a pang of sadness when agents skip your UI
    (19:30) Why Sam’s Figma use fell to 20% and how Granola stops slop
    (26:14) Nacho: The agent every Granola employee asks first
    (30:58) Why most people stop improving their product way too early

    Thanks to our sponsors:

    Linear: The AI agent platform for modern teams https://linear.app/behind-the-craft
    Riverside: All-in-one AI studio for podcasts and video https://creators.riverside.com/PeterYang

    šŸ“Œ Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/how-to-use-ai-to-survive-meetings-sam-stephenson

    Where to find Sam:

    X: https://x.com/samstphenson
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephensonsam/

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    We Built Grok Bot. Here Are Our 14 Best Bots | Peng Zheng & Lauren Tan

    27/09/2026 | 45 mins.
    Copy my best AI workflows to save time and automate busywork: https://www.behindthecraft.com
    šŸ¤ Subscribe to my practical AI newsletter read by 150K+ professionals: https://creatoreconomy.so

    Peng and Lauren are the lead designer and engineer for Grok Bot at SpaceXAI. In our interview, they showed me 14 bots that they use for work and life, from a design bot that helps Peng mock up designs to an entire team of engineering bots that help Lauren ship faster.

    Peng, Lauren, and I talked about:

    (00:00) The bots that the Grok Bot team actually uses
    (01:23) Peng’s chief of staff bot buys supplies and lists gear
    (06:31) Putting PM, design, and eng bots in the same room
    (10:07) Turning a street photo into a diorama on Peng’s website
    (14:16) How Lauren’s bots test their own work before merging
    (17:59) Dr. Eggbot, Lauren’s bot that designs and audits your bots
    (21:27) The assistant bot that booked Lauren’s multi-city trip
    (25:22) Eng bots that sometimes land PRs before Lauren reads them
    (38:59) How to trust your bots with more work, one skill at a time

    Thanks to our sponsors:

    Granola: AI meeting notes that don’t suck https://granola.ai/peter
    Riverside: All-in-one AI studio for podcasts and video https://creators.riverside.com/PeterYang

    šŸ“Œ Get the takeaways: https://creatoreconomy.so/p/grok-bot-team-14-best-bots-peng-zheng-lauren-tan

    Where to find Peng Zheng:

    X: https://x.com/pengzheng_
    Website: https://www.pengzhe.ng/

    Where to find Lauren Tan:

    X: https://x.com/poteto
    Dr. Eggbot: https://x.ai/bot/marketplace/bots/dr-eggbot-v2

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