Top Class: The OECD Education Policy Podcast | Teachers, PISA, Students

What does it take to lead one of the world’s highest-performing education systems? In this episode of Top Class, OECD Editor Duncan Crawford speaks with Estonia’s Minister of Education and Research, Kristina Kallas. Drawing on Estonia’s experience with digital learning, teacher professionalism and long-term student well-being, Kallas reflects on the pressures facing education leaders today, including rapid technological change and teacher shortages. The conversation also explores how Estonia has sustained strong outcomes over time, which lessons may (and may not) translate to other countries and the recent International Summit on the Teaching Profession, which was held in Tallinn.

You can find the OECD’s latest publication for the International Summit on the Teaching Profession – Reimagining Teaching in an Accelerating World – here: https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/international-summit-on-the-teaching-profession_23127090.html

Working with young children can be a tough job, so what can be done to ensure staff want to stay in their jobs? This episode of Top Class delves into the world of creches, kindergartens and nurseries. While most early childhood education and care staff report high job satisfaction, around half don’t feel valued by society, according to the OECD’s TALIS Starting Strong survey. OECD Editor Duncan Crawford is joined by two experts to discuss workplace conditions, societal recognition and the policies that can strengthen staff retention in the sector.
• Elizabeth Shuey, OECD analyst and co-author of the Starting Strong survey
• Anne-Marie Brooks, Assistant Secretary at Ireland’s Department of Children, Disability and Equality

You can learn more insights about this subject by viewing the OECD’s Insights and Interpretations brochure: https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/support-materials/2025/12/results-from-talis-starting-strong-2024_763cbc56/talis3s2024-insights-interpretations.pdf

And check out the full TALIS Starting Strong survey results here: https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/results-from-talis-starting-strong-2024_20af08c0-en.html

Can alternative pathways into teaching help tackle teacher shortages and strengthen the profession? With traditional teacher preparation programmes struggling to keep pace with demand in some countries, especially in underserved areas, some are turning to non-traditional routes to attract new talent.

Drawing on insights from the OECD paper Alternative Pathways into Teaching: Broadening Access and Expanding Diversity, this episode of Top Class takes a close look at one model - Nexus, an Australian programme that allows participants to earn a teaching qualification while working in schools. Professors Joanna Barbousas and Miriam Tanti from La Trobe University in Melbourne, who work on the Nexus programme, as well as Barbara O’Brien, Principal of Greater Shepparton Secondary College in Victoria, who has welcomed Nexus trainee teachers into her school, explain how alternative pathways work in practice and why others should consider them.

Generative Artificial Intelligence is rapidly emerging as one of the most debated forces in education today. Tools such as ChatGPT and Claude are widely predicted to reshape how students learn and how teachers teach. Advocates argue that GenAI could democratise access to high quality education, offering personalised learning at scale while reducing administrative burdens for educators. Critics warn of significant risks, from undermining student learning to eroding teacher autonomy.

In this episode of Top Class, we explore the latest emerging evidence shared in the OECD’s Digital Education Outlook 2026. Senior OECD Analyst Stéphan Vincent Lancrin speaks to OECD Editor Duncan Crawford about the latest research, the potential and the risks of GenAI, and what this means for the future of teaching and learning.

Nine in ten teachers are satisfied with their jobs, yet one in five report a lot of stress. Just two of the findings from the new OECD TALIS report, the largest survey of teachers and school leaders in the world.
TALIS captured the perspectives of 280,000 teachers across over 50 education systems. In this episode of Top Class, OECD project manager Ruochen Li, who led the TALIS team, and Antonia Wulff, Director of Research, Policy and Advocacy at Education International, tell the OECD’s Duncan Crawford about the findings.