Song Revolution with John Chisum

• JOHN CHISUM: Developing The Skill of Rewriting

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: The Skill of Rewriting   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down with NCS Vice President of A&R and Production, Bryant Urich, to dive deep into the art and discipline of rewriting songs. As part of the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge, they explore why rewriting is essential to crafting powerful, lasting songs—and how humility, skill, and intentionality play key roles in the process.   From Clark Beckham's new songwriting courses to the band Eauclaire's latest release, John and Bryant also share exciting NCS updates and practical encouragement for songwriters at every level. Whether you're polishing your next worship anthem or trying to take your lyric from good to great, this episode offers real-world insights that will elevate your songwriting craft.   Key Topics & Highlights: The importance of rewriting month in the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge How professional songwriters approach rewriting and editing Balancing inspiration with skill and craft Why "writing is rewriting" — the mindset that separates hobbyists from pros Overcoming false humility and defensiveness about your work Pre-writing and research as essential steps toward great songs Strengthening your hook and title through rhyme and alliteration Keeping focus on the "One Big Idea" (OBI) in every song The emotional power of songs—why listeners remember how you made them feel Upcoming NCS resources, courses, and community updates   Final Thought: Rewriting isn't about undoing your inspiration—it's about refining it. Every great songwriter knows that inspiration starts the fire, but skill shapes it into something lasting. When you're willing to revisit your work with humility and fresh eyes, you give your songs the chance to truly speak to others.   Resources & Links:   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

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• Steele Crosswhite & Caleb Yetton: From Rock to Redemption

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: Steele Crosswhite & Caleb Yetton: From Rock to Redemption   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with Steele Crosswhite and Caleb Yetton from The Rock Church in Salt Lake City, Utah. Once a rock musician sharing stages with artists like the Foo Fighters, Sheryl Crow, and Maroon 5, Steele encountered the grace of Jesus and traded the spotlight for a life of ministry and songwriting rooted in the local church. Together with Caleb, a fellow pastor and musician, Steele shares how God transformed his music and mission—leading to Captured by Grace, a record originally released twenty years ago and now beautifully reimagined for a new generation. The conversation dives into faith, creativity, and how great songs can grow from obedience and community within the local church.   What You'll Learn: How Steele's encounter with Jesus radically changed his life and music The story behind Captured by Grace and its 20-year anniversary re-release Why The Rock Church's music ministry is thriving in a challenging cultural landscape How songwriting can serve as a tool for mission and discipleship The importance of local church creativity and community-driven worship How music from Utah is impacting lives far beyond the state's borders   Key Topics & Highlights: From rock and roll to ministry – Steele's transition from touring with major acts to leading music at The Rock Church. Captured by Grace – the inspiration, writing process, and new arrangements for the 20th anniversary project. Partnership and vision – how Caleb and Steele co-pastor, co-create, and lead a thriving creative community. Local church as a creative hub – empowering artists to make excellent music that reaches their own communities. Utah as a mission field – ministering in one of the least evangelical states in the U.S. through authentic worship. Timeless songwriting – how songs like "Matters" continue to resonate 20 years later with new life and production. Collaboration and legacy – involving new musicians and worship leaders in revisiting classic songs.   Final Takeaway: Steele Crosswhite and Caleb Yetton remind us that when we give God our gifts, He gives them back refined with purpose. Whether on a stage or in a small church, great music begins with obedience, community, and a heart fully captured by grace.   Resources & Links: Listen to Steele Crosswhite, Caleb Yetton, and The Rock Music! https://open.spotify.com/artist/1EqgZg4Y6LDJPlkbi7mWcF?si=cSrldCtmSyy_luV8KxNipw https://open.spotify.com/artist/27zD09dXJnOpZ3qfeXpzu8?si=KVnMeqm7RGKU3HcQxufi6w https://open.spotify.com/artist/0c8xYlEYETimOaLlGZcMVk?si=AjZJ1QwzTKiVrzv8jP2zpg   Visit therockmusic.org for updates, music, and church information.   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

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• DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum turns the tables and welcomes longtime radio hosts Dawn Ray May and Steve Hiller, formerly of Moody Radio and now co-hosts of the Dawn and Steve Plus podcast. With decades of experience in Christian radio, Dawn and Steve share stories of their broadcasting journeys, memorable interviews with iconic artists, and the lessons they've learned about faith, resilience, and community. The conversation also dives deep into mental health, soul care, and why creating safe spaces for healing is central to their new podcast ministry.   What You'll Learn: How Dawn and Steve built careers in Christian radio. Memorable stories from interviews with artists like Stephen Curtis Chapman, Jeremy Camp, and Twila Paris. The shift from radio to podcasting and the freedom it brings. Dawn's personal journey through grief, trauma, and healing after her father's death. Why mental health and soul care are at the heart of their podcast. The importance of safe community, counseling, and practical soul care for Christians today.   Key Topics & Highlights: The power of radio and music ministry – how songs and interviews shaped their years at Moody. From radio to podcasting – navigating the challenges and new freedoms of digital media. Personal story of loss and healing – Dawn's testimony of finding hope through counseling after trauma. Breaking stigma in the church – honest conversations about counseling, mental health, and faith. Addiction, connection, and boundaries – insights from their counselor guest, Phil Herndon. The mission of Dawn and Steve Plus – encouraging, inspiring, and pointing listeners to Jesus through honest, hope-filled dialogue.     Final Takeaway: Dawn and Steve's story is one of resilience, faith, and obedience. From years in radio to launching a podcast focused on soul care and the gospel, they remind us that God can use every part of our story—our gifts, our pain, and our healing—to encourage and build up others.     Resources & Links:   Keep up with Dawn & Steve www.dawnandsteveplus.com   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

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• CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender   Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum welcomes singer-songwriter, musician, and American Idol finalist Clark Beckham. Known for his soulful voice and authentic artistry, Clark shares his journey from small-town beginnings to national recognition and beyond. The conversation dives deep into the balance between ambition and surrender, the lessons learned from rejection and waiting, and how faith anchors him through every season of the creative process. Clark opens up about his experiences in the spotlight, the realities of the music industry, and how staying grounded in God's timing has reshaped his approach to songwriting. He also discusses how true artistry comes from honesty, craftsmanship, and humility rather than chasing trends or fame.   What You'll Learn: Clark's journey from church musician to American Idol finalist How fame and faith intersect in a culture of instant success Why patience and humility are essential in the creative process The importance of writing songs that come from truth, not pressure Lessons learned about identity, calling, and creative stewardship How to balance musical ambition with spiritual contentment   Key Topics & Highlights: Early beginnings – discovering music in the church and learning multiple instruments The American Idol experience – highs, challenges, and how it shaped Clark's character Faith through waiting – trusting God's timing when dreams seem delayed Songwriting as honesty – why vulnerability and craft outweigh hype and algorithms Navigating the industry – what Clark learned about labels, fame, and staying authentic Spiritual maturity in art – how surrender leads to stronger songs and deeper peace Creating from overflow – writing songs from what God is doing in your life, not for validation   Final Takeaway: Clark Beckham's story is a reminder that success in music—and in life—isn't about speed or visibility but about faithfulness. God's timing is perfect, and the songs that last are born from honesty, surrender, and a heart that trusts Him fully.   Resources & Links: Follow Clark Beckham on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/clarkbeckham/ Visit Clark's website: clarkbeckham.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training   NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

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• MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation

  Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3   Host: John Chisum   Episode Title: MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation   Episode Summary In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with acclaimed songwriter and worship leader Mia Fieldes, whose songs have been recorded by artists like Lauren Daigle, Zach Williams, Phil Wickham, Kim Walker-Smith, and many more. From growing up in poverty and seasons of homelessness to becoming one of the most prolific voices in modern worship, Mia shares how faith, perseverance, and gratitude have shaped her journey. With honesty and humor, she opens up about her songwriting process, contending for miracles, and the importance of stewarding your gifts with diligence.   What You'll Learn: How Mia overcame early hardships and developed unshakable faith. Why gratitude is a key to unlocking God's promises. The story behind writing Chain Breaker with Zach Williams. Why being a specialist is vital for songwriters. How to balance inspiration, discipline, and co-writing partnerships. Why faith should sometimes feel "offensive" in a culture of self-reliance.   Key Topics & Highlights: Gratitude as a lifestyle – learning to thank God as an access point to His promises. Developing your craft – why excellence and hard work matter more than talent alone. Writing from revelation – how songs like Fierce and Tremble were born from real-life moments and prayers. Faith as a muscle – how persevering through trials strengthens belief. Stewardship in songwriting – becoming a "specialist" rather than a generalist. Miracle stories – contending for healing, children, and breakthrough despite impossibility. The bigger calling – why your life mission goes beyond music and how to carry faith into every moment.   Final Takeaway: Mia's story is a testimony of resilience, faith, and the power of stewarding your gifts well. Her journey reminds us that God can, He will, and He wants to—and that our agreement with His promises can change everything.     Resources & Links: Follow Mia Fieldes on Instagram  https://www.instagram.com/miafieldes/reels/?hl=en   Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com   Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community   Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025   Sign up for Free First Monday Songwriting Training https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/training     NCS Collective: Check out our artists! https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

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