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  • Season 9 | Ep3 Matt Fox achieved a life-changing exit and walked away in 90 days!
    Matt Fox achieved a life-changing exit and walked away in 90 days!Matt Fox was 72 hours from a multi-seven-figure exit when COVID killed the deal.What followed: a complete breakdown, 2 years of therapy, and a total rebuild.But he did it differently the second time.Cut from 30 stressed employees to 10 people he loved. Stripped costs. Turned it into a cash machine. By 40, he'd cleared his mortgage and bought Spanish properties with cash.Then, in November 2024, he sold the business and walked away in 3 months.In this episode:Why scaling to 30 people nearly destroyed himThe "cash cow" strategy that made him wealthy before the exitHow to build a team that doesn't need youWhat selling a business actually feels like (the bit nobody warns you about)Why 80% of recruitment founders get exits wrongThis isn't your typical scale-and-sell story. This is what it really takes to lose everything, rebuild on your terms, and exit with your sanity intact.For recruitment founders running 5-30 person agencies, wondering what happens next.Chapters00:03:00 Building Dynamite Recruitment00:09:00 Challenges and Resilience00:15:00 Restructuring for Profitability00:21:00 The Sale Process00:27:00 Lessons Learned and Future Plans__________________________________________Episode Sponsor: AtlasAdmin is a massive waste of time. That’s why there’s Atlas, the AI-first recruitment platform built for modern agencies.It doesn’t only track CVs and calls. It remembers everything. Every email, every interview, every conversation. Instantly searchable, always available. And now, it’s entering a whole new era.With Atlas 2.0, you can ask anything and it delivers. With Magic Search, you speak and it listens. It finds the right candidates using real conversations, not simply look for keywords.Atlas 2.0 also makes business development easier than ever. With Opportunities, you can track, manage and grow client relationships, powered by generative AI and built right into your workflow.Need insights? Custom dashboards give you total visibility over your pipeline. And that’s not theory. Atlas customers have reported up to 41% EBITDA growth and an 85% increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform.No admin. No silos. No lost info. Nothing but faster shortlists, better hires and more time to focus on what actually drives revenue.Atlas is your personal AI partner for modern recruiting.Don’t miss the future of recruitment. Get started with Atlas today and unlock your exclusive RAG listener offer at https://recruitwithatlas.com/therag/__________________________________________Episode Sponsor: HoxoEvery recruitment founder is investing in LinkedIn.Spending thousands on Recruiter licences.Building connections. Posting content. Growing networks.But here’s the question almost no one can answer:How much revenue is LinkedIn actually bringing into your business?Most founders have thousands of connections but no clear process to turn that attention into cash.That’s the problem we solve.At Hoxo, we help recruitment founders build predictable revenue systems on LinkedIn, not just noise or vanity metrics.Our clients are turning LinkedIn into £100K–£300K in new billings within months, using their existing networks and a simple repeatable process.To show you how it works, we’ve created a short training video exclusively for RAG listeners.In less than 10 minutes, you’ll learn:- Why most recruiters are getting zero measurable ROI from LinkedIn- How small, niche teams are generating...
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  • Season 9 | Ep2 Nick Hoadley on scaling Insurance Search to 7-figures at 50% plus profit
    This week on The RAG Podcast, I’m joined by Nick Hoadley, founder of Insurance Search, a specialist executive search practice in the global insurance market.Nick quit a successful broking career nine years ago and launched a recruitment business with zero agency experience. Since then, he has shifted from 100% contingent to 100% retained, built a lean team, and maxed out a seven-figure practice while holding 50 to 60% profit margins. He is now expanding in the US with a partner model designed to scale without fixed overheads.We talk about:- How he went from insurance broker to founder with no prior agency experience- The playbook for moving from 100% contingent to 100% retained- Why a podcast and thought leadership now drive executive mandates worldwide- Building a lean delivery engine, research and board search that sustains 50% plus margins- The US partner model that scales without headcount or fixed overhead- What to productise next, from human capital research to peer forums- Practical advice on letting go of delivery to win bigger workIf you are aiming to grow an executive search practice while protecting profit, this is the episode to watch.Chapters00:00:30 Nick Hoadley's Journey00:01:00 From Contingent to Retained00:01:28 Impact of Podcasting00:01:57 Aligning Personal and Professional Goals00:02:27 AI and the Future of Recruitment00:02:57 Building Client Trust00:03:27 Scaling with a Partner Model00:03:59 The US Market Expansion00:04:28 Conclusion and Future Outlook__________________________________________Episode Sponsor: AtlasAdmin is a massive waste of time. That’s why there’s Atlas, the AI-first recruitment platform built for modern agencies.It doesn’t only track CVs and calls. It remembers everything. Every email, every interview, every conversation. Instantly searchable, always available. And now, it’s entering a whole new era.With Atlas 2.0, you can ask anything and it delivers. With Magic Search, you speak and it listens. It finds the right candidates using real conversations, not simply look for keywords.Atlas 2.0 also makes business development easier than ever. With Opportunities, you can track, manage and grow client relationships, powered by generative AI and built right into your workflow.Need insights? Custom dashboards give you total visibility over your pipeline. And that’s not theory. Atlas customers have reported up to 41% EBITDA growth and an 85% increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform.No admin. No silos. No lost info. Nothing but faster shortlists, better hires and more time to focus on what actually drives revenue.Atlas is your personal AI partner for modern recruiting.Don’t miss the future of recruitment. Get started with Atlas today and unlock your exclusive RAG listener offer at https://recruitwithatlas.com/therag/__________________________________________Episode Sponsor: HoxoEvery recruitment founder is investing in LinkedIn.Spending thousands on Recruiter licences.Building connections. Posting content. Growing networks.But here’s the question almost no one can answer:How much revenue is LinkedIn actually bringing into your business?Most founders have thousands of connections but no clear process to turn that attention into cash.That’s the problem we solve.At Hoxo, we help recruitment founders build predictable revenue systems on LinkedIn, not just noise or vanity metrics.Our clients are turning LinkedIn into £100K–£300K in new billings within months, using their existing networks and a simple repeatable...
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  • Season 9 | Ep1 Samm Green on rebuilding Few & Far towards £1m EBITDA in 2025, despite serious burnout and two years of losses
    This week, on episode 1 of season 9 of The RAG Podcast, I’m joined by Samm Green, co-founder of Few & Far, a UK-based product management recruitment business with 22 people and a powerful story of resilience.Samm was the very first guest I ever recorded on The RAG back in 2019, and at that time, he had big plans to scale to 40 staff and eventually exit. While some of that came true, the road since has been far from smooth.In this episode, Samm opens up about: - The financial and emotional toll of losing over £350,000 during the market downturn. - How burnout and stress led to physical illness and a trip to A&E. - The decision to rebuild and focus on profit, not just growth. - Why transparency and community have been key to recovery. - How he’s turned the business around to be on track for £1m EBITDA in 2025.This is one of the most honest conversations I’ve ever had on The RAG. It’s a story about resilience, leadership and learning what success really means when the pressure hits hardest.Chapters00:00 Sam Green's Journey02:53 The Growth and Challenges of Few&Far05:55 Navigating the Post-COVID Landscape09:00 The Impact of Financial Loss on Mental Health11:27 Lessons Learned from Redundancies and Business Cuts14:36 Rebuilding and Regaining Profitability17:20 The Importance of Mental Health in Business20:17 Strategies for Business Development and Community Building23:16 The Future of Recruitment in a Changing Market26:00 Personal Reflections and Future Aspirations28:48 Conclusion and Final Thoughts__________________________________________Episode Sponsor: AtlasAdmin is a massive waste of time. That’s why there’s Atlas, the AI-first recruitment platform built for modern agencies.It doesn’t only track CVs and calls. It remembers everything. Every email, every interview, every conversation. Instantly searchable, always available. And now, it’s entering a whole new era.With Atlas 2.0, you can ask anything and it delivers. With Magic Search, you speak and it listens. It finds the right candidates using real conversations, not simply look for keywords.Atlas 2.0 also makes business development easier than ever. With Opportunities, you can track, manage and grow client relationships, powered by generative AI and built right into your workflow.Need insights? Custom dashboards give you total visibility over your pipeline. And that’s not theory. Atlas customers have reported up to 41% EBITDA growth and an 85% increase in monthly billings after adopting the platform.No admin. No silos. No lost info. Nothing but faster shortlists, better hires and more time to focus on what actually drives revenue.Atlas is your personal AI partner for modern recruiting.Don’t miss the future of recruitment. Get started with Atlas today and unlock your exclusive RAG listener offer at https://recruitwithatlas.com/therag/__________________________________________Episode Sponsor: HoxoEvery recruitment founder is investing in LinkedIn.Spending thousands on Recruiter licences.Building connections. Posting content. Growing networks.But here’s the question almost no one can answer:How much revenue is LinkedIn actually bringing into your business?Most founders have thousands of connections but no clear process to turn that attention into cash.That’s the problem we solve.At Hoxo, we help recruitment founders build predictable revenue systems on LinkedIn, not just noise or vanity metrics.Our clients are turning LinkedIn into £100K–£300K in new billings within months, using their existing networks and a simple...
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  • Anthony Webster on authenticity, inclusion and leading DVF Recruitment to success
    This week on The RAG Podcast, I am revisiting my episode with Anthony Webster, Managing Director of DVF Recruitment and board member at Career Legal.Anthony and I go way back - we worked together for five years and even planned to launch Hoxo together before his journey took a different turn. At that point, Anthony made a life-changing decision: he came out as gay after years of hiding his true self.We talk about:The challenges of coming out in a male-dominated industryWhy authenticity and inclusion are vital for culture and growthHis journey from recruiter to MD and board memberThe impact of living openly on his career and leadership styleHow DVF has grown under his leadership as part of the Career Legal groupAnthony’s story is powerful, personal, and incredibly inspiring. It’s about resilience, honesty, and the importance of creating safe and inclusive spaces in recruitment.Chapters00:00 Introduction to the RAG Podcast and Guest Introduction01:28 Anthony's Journey: Coming Out and Career Choices03:36 Career Path: From Recruitment to Managing Director08:25 The Drive for Success: Personal Background and Motivation11:19 Building Relationships in Recruitment: The Importance of Consistency15:28 The Decision to Come Out: Personal Struggles and Growth19:03 Navigating Life After Coming Out: Personal and Professional Changes22:51 Integrating into the LGBTQ Community: New Experiences and Friendships33:00 The Future of DVF Recruitment: Growth and Inclusion48:58 Creating an Inclusive Environment in Recruitment01:00:01 Looking Ahead: Future Plans for DVF and Personal Life__________________________________________Episode Sponsor: AtlasYour memory isn’t perfect. So Atlas remembers everything for you. Atlas is an end-to-end recruitment platform built for the AI generation. It automates your admin so you can focus on the business tasks that matter. How many conversations do you have every day? With clients. Candidates. Your team. Service providers.Now how many of those conversations can you recall with 100% accuracy? How many hours a week do you spend making notes to try and retain as much as possible? And how much is still getting lost along the way? Traditional CRM systems weren’t built for the type of recruitment business you’re running right now. They were built to rely on the structured, tagged, categorised, and formal data you could feed it. Manual processes that needed you to input specific information, based on specific questions and answers. But what about all the other conversations you’re having every single day? Atlas isn’t an ATS or a CRM. It’s an Intelligent Business Platform that helps you perform 10X better than you could on your own. How? By removing all your low value tasks, acting as your perfect memory, and providing highly relevant recommendations to impact your performance. Learn more about the power of Atlas – and take advantage of the exclusive offer for The RAG listeners – by visiting https://recruitwithatlas.com/therag/ __________________________________________Episode Sponsor: HoxoRecruitment agency founders - this one’s for you.What’s your plan for the rest of 2025?If it’s based on more cold outreach, referrals, or hiring more recruiters… we’ve got news for you. That’s not where the smart money is going.The market has changed. AI is everywhere. Noise is louder than ever.So if you want to scale profitably this year, you need to do things differently!It starts with what you already have.Your experience. Your network. Your voice.And we are showing you...
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  • Laura Clark on taking over OA Group from her mum and leading it into the future
    This week on The RAG Podcast, we are revisiting my episode with Laura Clark, CEO of OA Group.Laura’s journey is one of the most unique I’ve ever shared on the show. She grew up watching her mum build Osborne Appointments (now OA Group), joined the business at 19, and earlier this year bought it from her mother to take over as CEO.We talk about:What it was like growing up with an entrepreneurial mother as inspirationJoining the business at 19 and proving herself in recruitmentNavigating four children while building her own career and leadership styleThe emotional and strategic process of negotiating the buyout with her mumHer vision for OA Group, balancing legacy with innovationThis was the first time I’ve had a guest who has bought their business from a parent, and it raises so many relatable themes for any founder, from negotiating long-term relationships to building a business that truly reflects your values.Chapters00:00 Introduction to The Rag Podcast and Laura Clark02:21 Laura's Journey in Recruitment and Family Dynamics12:03 Early Career Challenges and Growth in Recruitment18:19 Transitioning to Management and Leadership28:38 Taking Over the Family Business32:44 Navigating Business Challenges34:37 The Emotional Dynamics of Family Business38:35 Reflections on Business Exits41:30 Post-Acquisition Vision and Growth49:54 Balancing Remote Work and Team Dynamics55:03 Gender Equality in Leadership59:43 Juggling Work and Family Life__________________________________________Episode Sponsor: AtlasYour memory isn’t perfect. So Atlas remembers everything for you. Atlas is an end-to-end recruitment platform built for the AI generation. It automates your admin so you can focus on the business tasks that matter. How many conversations do you have every day? With clients. Candidates. Your team. Service providers.Now how many of those conversations can you recall with 100% accuracy? How many hours a week do you spend making notes to try and retain as much as possible? And how much is still getting lost along the way? Traditional CRM systems weren’t built for the type of recruitment business you’re running right now. They were built to rely on the structured, tagged, categorised, and formal data you could feed it. Manual processes that needed you to input specific information, based on specific questions and answers. But what about all the other conversations you’re having every single day? Atlas isn’t an ATS or a CRM. It’s an Intelligent Business Platform that helps you perform 10X better than you could on your own. How? By removing all your low value tasks, acting as your perfect memory, and providing highly relevant recommendations to impact your performance. Learn more about the power of Atlas – and take advantage of the exclusive offer for The RAG listeners – by visiting https://recruitwithatlas.com/therag/ __________________________________________Episode Sponsor: HoxoRecruitment agency founders - this one’s for you.What’s your plan for the rest of 2025?If it’s based on more cold outreach, referrals, or hiring more recruiters… we’ve got news for you. That’s not where the smart money is going.The market has changed. AI is everywhere. Noise is louder than ever.So if you want to scale profitably this year, you need to do things differently!It starts with what you already have.Your experience. Your network. Your voice.And we are showing you exactly how to use it in a brand-new, FREE Masterclass - built specifically
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