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The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

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The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
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  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    Maria Gorinova: Feedback Loops That Fix Your Codebase

    13/10/2026 | 37 mins.
    Agent feedback loops are how a software factory maintains itself: agents mining their own session logs, PR comments and production signals, then fixing what they find. Maria Gorinova, member of technical staff at Tessl, explains how to build them, and why vague intent turns a loop into a mess.

    What we cover:
    – What a software factory is: repeatable workflows, a shared execution environment and agent feedback loops
    – Why agent context alone isn't enough, and where harness engineering comes in
    – The three stages of a feedback loop: analyze a data stream, find the problem, request the fix
    – Inner, middle and outer loops, from verifiers on every PR to self-healing in production
    – How Tessl's "comment diet" loop catches drift that no single PR causes
    – Operators and stewards: the human roles in a software factory

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:02:36 - What is a software factory?
    00:05:38 - From agents to context to harness engineering
    00:09:15 - The three stages of an agent feedback loop
    00:13:16 - Inner, middle and outer feedback loops
    00:18:35 - Why vague intent breaks agent feedback loops
    00:21:50 - Comment bloat, drift and the rule of three
    00:25:48 - The software factory mindset
    00:27:45 - Loops, feedback loops and meta feedback loops
    00:32:45 - Operators, stewards and building your first loop

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    Which agent feedback loop would you build first in your own software factory? Tell us in the comments.
  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    Legora CTO: Why AI Agents Need More Than a Chat Window

    06/10/2026 | 44 mins.
    AI coding agents now write almost all of Legora's code, with engineers running up to ten in parallel. Yet the CTO behind that shift thinks measuring adoption by tokens burned is a mistake. Jacob Lauritzen, CTO of Legora, joins Simon Maple to unpack what actually scales when agents do the typing, and where human judgment still has to stay in charge.

    What we cover:
    – How Legora's engineers orchestrate many AI coding agents at once, from shared local dev resources to cloud agent setups
    – An agentic loop that reproduces, fixes and tests bugs straight from Slack
    – Why token maxing is a bad way to drive AI adoption, and what to measure instead
    – Agent evaluation: regression testing the harness as models and prompts change every week
    – Decision models, the verifier's rule, and where autonomy ends and human judgment begins
    – Why AI agents need more than a chat interface

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:01:47 - Legora's growth from $100M to $200M ARR
    00:03:44 - Parallel coding agents and bug-fix loops
    00:07:15 - Senior engineers vs AI-first engineers
    00:10:10 - Why token maxing is the new lines of code
    00:14:13 - What AI can and can't verify in legal work
    00:17:30 - Decision models vs autoregressive LLMs
    00:24:22 - Weekly model benchmarks and harness evals
    00:26:58 - Why AI agents need more than a chat interface
    00:35:03 - The verifier's rule and litigation strategy

    Build your software factory, one workflow at a time, with Tessl:
    https://tessl.co/lpg

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    Is token count telling you anything real about how your team uses AI coding agents? Tell us in the comments.
  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    Liz Fong-Jones: 2x the PRs, 1.5x the Incidents

    29/09/2026 | 49 mins.
    Honeycomb went from 30 to 70 merged pull requests a day in three months. The catch: automated code review, not code generation, became the real bottleneck of software automation. Liz Fong-Jones, Technical Fellow at Honeycomb, explains why incidents still rose 1.5x, how their internal bot Autobot now reviews every PR, and why AI amplifies whatever org you already have.

    What we cover:
    – How automated code review lets humans focus on design, not trivial bugs
    – Using a decision model like Jev to decide which PRs are safe to auto-merge
    – What makes a codebase ready for AI coding agents
    – When to trust AI agents with production incidents, and when they're just throwing darts
    – Why "Claude did it" isn't an excuse, and what ownership means with AI
    – How open source maintainers can handle a flood of AI slop pull requests

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:06:41 - Why AI amplifies dysfunctional engineering orgs
    00:10:45 - What makes a codebase AI ready
    00:14:01 - Honeycomb's Autobot and automated code review
    00:19:06 - Using Jev to decide which PRs are safe to merge
    00:26:51 - Trusting AI agents during production incidents
    00:30:40 - Least privilege and guardrails for coding agents
    00:33:25 - If your name's on it, you own it
    00:38:55 - AI slop pull requests and open source
    00:45:56 - Will observability engineering survive as a role?

    Build your software factory, one workflow at a time, with Tessl:
    https://tessl.co/nlr

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    Is your team's review capacity keeping up with your AI coding agents? Tell us in the comments.
  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    Dexter Horthy: Why We Stopped Trusting AI to Write the Plan

    22/09/2026 | 56 mins.
    HumanLayer CEO Dexter Horthy on why his team's bet on spec driven development nearly wrecked their own codebase, and what changed his mind about reviewing AI-written code. Dexter walks through the "YOLO pull request" experiment that ran for months before the codebase became unusable, the "dumb zone" that limits how much context you can hand a model, and why he now believes there will always be alpha in reviewing something.

    What we cover:
    – How HumanLayer's "read the plan, skip the code" experiment quietly broke their own codebase
    – Why context windows have a "dumb zone," and what that means for context engineering
    – Sean Grove's idea that specs, not code, are becoming the durable artifact
    – Building overnight agents that review and fix code before a human ever sees it
    – Why treating software development like a factory changes how bugs compound
    – What Dexter thinks his advice on reviewing AI-written code will look like in 12 months

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:02:15 - Meet Dexter Horthy, CEO of HumanLayer
    00:06:03 - The "dumb zone": why more context makes models dumber
    00:06:40 - Sean Grove's "the spec is the new code"
    00:09:22 - The YOLO pull-request experiment that broke their codebase
    00:11:09 - Letting the model own the architecture
    00:17:03 - Planning as expected-pain management
    00:28:15 - Slop Code Bench and the maintainability oracle problem
    00:37:59 - Why software factories aren't like car factories
    00:42:49 - "There will always be alpha in reviewing something"

    Build your software factory, one workflow at a time, with Tessl:
    https://tessl.co/4ep

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    Where do you land on the determinism-to-adaptability slider — plan tightly, or let the agent run? Tell us in the comments.
  • The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

    AWS's Marc Brooker: Specs, Not Code, Are the Hard Part

    16/09/2026 | 56 mins.
    Spec-driven development is reshaping what software engineers actually do all day, and Marc Brooker, VP and Distinguished Engineer at AWS, has read 3,000 to 4,000 postmortems that convinced him the code was never the hard part. In this episode of The AI Native Dev, Marc explains why testing and specification are now the real engineering work, why metastable failures keep taking down systems that look perfectly healthy, and why he still won't let AI write a single word of his blog.

    What we cover:
    – Why spec-driven development is turning testing into the hardest part of software
    – What metastable failures are, and why they keep taking healthy-looking systems down
    – How agentic coding tools can learn from postmortems and build their own memory
    – Why classic authorization breaks down once you're writing agentic policy
    – Why Marc won't let AI write his blog, but is fully comfortable with AI-generated code
    – What it takes to bring junior engineers up to speed in an AI-native industry

    Chapters:
    00:00:00 - Introduction
    00:02:17 - Marc Brooker: 18 years at AWS building agentic dev tools
    00:04:36 - Inside Strands, AWS's open source agent SDK
    00:06:44 - Fifteen years on call, and what agents still can't debug
    00:11:23 - Metastable failures and the humility of 4,000 postmortems
    00:14:32 - Teaching agents to learn from postmortems and build their own memory
    00:20:14 - Why agentic policy needs more than classic authorization
    00:32:14 - The agentic software development hypothesis: spec-driven development, oracles, and testing
    00:39:56 - Why Marc won't let AI write his blog (but will let it write code)
    00:46:37 - Advice for leveling up junior engineers in the AI era

    Build your software factory, one workflow at a time, with Tessl:
    https://tessl.co/[SLUG]

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    Do you trust an agent to run its own on-call rotation yet? Tell us in the comments.
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About The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow
Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.Our target audience includes developers and development leaders eager to stay ahead of the curve. If you're passionate about the future of software development and curious about how to leverage AI to build effective teams and groundbreaking software, this podcast is for you.Each week, we bring you insights into the latest AI tools and best practices, keeping you up-to-date with the cutting-edge advancements in the industry. Additionally, every two weeks, we present deep dives with experts and leaders in the AI and software development space, offering a glimpse into the future of AI development.Tune in to discover how AI will revolutionize your workflows, roles, and organizations. Get inspired by the latest tools and best practices, and prepare to be part of the next generation of software development.
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