The Deep View: Conversations

In a labor market being rewired by AI, CodeSignal is betting that skills, not resumes, will decide who thrives.

For this episode of The Deep View: Conversations, I talked with Tigran Sloyan, CEO and co-founder of CodeSignal, the company building a new standard for hiring and career mobility in the age of AI.

CodeSignal’s mission starts with a simple but painful truth: resumes and interviews are a flawed way to hire talent. Countless candidates have the skills to thrive in high-paying tech roles but never get a fair shot, while others with polished credentials sometimes land jobs they’re not prepared to do. 

CodeSignal is flipping that equation with skills-based assessments that help employers discover candidates with real ability, and a free learning platform that helps candidates level up for the next opportunity.

In my conversation with Tigran, we talked about:
+ Why resumes haven’t meaningfully changed in 100 years, and why it's breaking hiring
+ How CodeSignal measures skills, and why simulation beats multiple-choice
+ What AI unlocks for assessing non-technical roles such as sales and support
+ The dark side of AI: what CodeSignal’s research shows about cheating attempts
+ Why entry-level jobs are turning into tasks, and what that means for training
+ How CodeSignal makes free learning content work economically
+ The future of re-skilling at scale, and why AI tutoring changes everything

We also dig into what’s changing fast right now: the rise of AI-assisted work, the surge in fraud in hiring assessments, and why foundational skills still matter even when AI can do the task.
Tigran shares his background from Armenia to MIT to Google, his most contrarian leadership advice, and the AI tool he'd recommend you start using every day. If you want to understand how AI is being used to fix the problems that AI is causing in the job market, this is the podcast for you.
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In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we talked with Wasim Khaled, CEO of Blackbird AI, to explore a provocative idea: What happens when reality itself becomes hackable?

Long before generative AI went mainstream, Wasim and his cofounder launched Blackbird to tackle disinformation and narrative manipulation. Their thesis was bold: that part of modern cybersecurity conflict had shifted from infrastructure to information, from networks to narratives.

It turned out to be prescient.

As AI supercharges the speed, scale, and realism of malicious content — from deepfakes to coordinated influence campaigns — Blackbird has emerged as the leader in combating narrative attacks. In fact, Gartner recently named Blackbird the company to beat in disinformation narrative intelligence in its report on the AI Vendor Race.

In our conversation, we explore:
+ What “narrative attacks” really are and why they’re so hard to detect
+ How AI has fundamentally changed the disinformation battlefield
+ Reactive vs. proactive defense strategies in cybersecurity
+ How Blackbird evolved from a lab experiment into a national security player
+ Why leaders relying on chatbots instead of AI agents are already falling behind

Wasim also shares how he optimizes his time for maximum leverage, and offers his advice for founders navigating fast-moving technology shifts.

If you care about cybersecurity, AI, information warfare, or the future of leadership in the age of intelligent agents, this is a conversation you'll want to hear.

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What does it actually take for enterprises to adopt AI at scale? 

In this episode of Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Shibani Ahuja, Senior Vice President of Enterprise IT Strategy at Salesforce. Over the past year, Shibani has met with 587 C-suite leaders to understand how Salesforce can evolve into an agentic AI platform for the world’s largest organizations. 

We unpack what she’s learned from those conversations, including the real blockers to AI adoption, how leading enterprises are progressing, and why shared context and trust matter more than raw model capabilities. 

Shibani also breaks down Salesforce’s Agentic Maturity Model, a framework designed to help organizations assess their current AI readiness and chart a path forward. 

We also explore:
+ How AI is reshaping the banking and financial services industry, where Shibani spent a good part of her career
+ The story of how Shibani joined Salesforce after challenging Marc Benioff and his leadership team as a customer
+ Why clear, jargon-free communication is one of the most underrated skills in AI, and how to do it well in high-stakes settings 

Shibani is one of the most cogent communicators in tech today, and this conversation is packed with practical insights for anyone leading, building, or communicating about AI inside an organization or in public settings. 

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AI agents in business aren't something that will happen in the future. They’re already here, and they're scaling a lot more rapidly than we expected.
In this episode of The Deep View: Conversations, Editor-in-Chief Jason Hiner talks to Matt Yanchyshyn, who leads AWS Marketplace at Amazon Web Services. Yanchyshyn's team helps organizations discover, buy, and deploy software on AWS, and one of the biggest shifts they’ve seen over the past six months is the explosion of AI agents in real-world use cases.
When AWS unveiled its agent marketplace in mid-2025, the internal goal was initially to launch with 50 agents. By early 2026, that number had surged past 2,600 agents, making it the fastest-growing category in the history of the world’s largest cloud platform.
So what’s driving that surge? Yanchyshyn breaks it down.
In this conversation, we cover:
+ Which types of AI agents are seeing the fastest enterprise adoption
+ The industries and use cases leading the charge
+ How companies are handling data security and sovereignty concerns
+ The role of multi-model orchestration in agent effectiveness
+ How AWS is using agents internally to drive lots of different wins
If you're trying to understand where AI agents are actually being deployed — not the hype, but the reality — then this conversation will reset your expectations. It will help you see where agentic AI is already delivering business value, and where it’s heading next.
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AI could change the way we remember, and the way we pay attention. 

In this episode of The Deep View: Conversations, Editor-in-Chief Jason Hiner sits down with Bobak Tavangar, CEO of Brilliant Labs, one of the most intriguing startups in AI hardware today. 
While trillion-dollar giants like Meta and Google race to define the future of AI glasses, Brilliant Labs is taking a radically different path: building in public, going open-source with both software and hardware, and centering their next product, the Halo glasses, around something deeply human. 
The focus? A conversational AI agent for your long-term memories and conversations. 
This isn’t just about smarter wearables. It’s about a bigger idea: 

+ Can AI help us be more present, not less? 
+ Could technology support memory, reflection, and intention instead of distraction? 
+ What does privacy look like when AI can recall your life? 
Jason and Bobak also explore: 
+ What he learned during his time at Apple 
+ Why AI hardware is one of the hardest frontiers in tech 
+ The challenging process of finding a co-founder 
+ Bobak’s philosophy on communicating on social media with purpose, not hype 
Bobak is one of the most thoughtful founders in the AI space, consistently elevating the conversation beyond features and into questions of values, agency, and human experience. 
If you care about where AI, wearables, memory, and attention intersect, this is a conversation you don’t want to miss. 
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