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Margaret Salty
Behind the Latch
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  • Behind the Latch

    What Counts as Low Milk Supply? Measurement, Biomarkers, and What's Next with Dr. Katie Kivlighan

    02/07/2026 | 43 mins.
    Low milk supply might be the most common concern we field—and one of the hardest things in lactation to actually measure. In this episode I sit down with researcher Dr. Katie Kivlighan to separate what we can quantify from what we're guessing at, and to look at the tools and technologies that are about to change how we assess it.
    Episode Summary
    "Low milk supply" gets used as a catch-all, but it isn't one thing—and treating it like one thing is part of why families get the wrong support. Dr. Katie Kivlighan, co-author of Measuring Low Milk Supply: Methods and Implications for Lactation Research and Clinical Practice (Journal of Human Lactation, 2026), joins me to walk through the difference between primary, secondary, and perceived low supply, and why our measurement methods have never fully caught up with the problem.
    We get into what the evidence actually supports right now: test weights, milk transfer, and biomarkers like sodium and conductance—plus the emerging technologies (bioimpedance, at-home milk sodium testing) that could give us objective data we've never had at the bedside. We also talk honestly about the flip side: how devices and social media can feed parental anxiety, how normal infant behavior gets misread as a supply problem, and where clinical judgment still has to lead. If you support families navigating supply concerns, this one is about sharpening how you assess, how you reassure, and how you decide when a number actually matters.
    What You'll Learn
    The real difference between primary, secondary, and perceived low milk supply—and why the distinction changes your entire plan of care
    Why milk supply is so hard to measure accurately, and what that means for how we interpret research
    What biomarkers like sodium and conductance can (and can't) tell you about secretory activation
    Where bioimpedance and at-home milk sodium testing are headed, and how to think about them before they land in your practice
    The infant behaviors that get misread as low supply—so you can spot them and reframe them for families
    How feeding technology and social media are driving parental anxiety, and your role in cutting through the noise
    Why milk intake "standards" deserve a second look, and how normal supply variability fits in
    When to bring in a breastfeeding medicine provider, and how that collaboration strengthens care
    How to hold objective tools and clinical judgment together instead of letting one override the other

    Chapters
    00:00 — Introduction and Dr. Kivlighan's research background
    05:53 — Low milk supply: types and challenges
    08:12 — The role of perception in supply concerns
    10:31 — Evaluating milk supply: tools and techniques
    13:11 — Common misinterpretations of infant behavior
    15:46 — How technology feeds parental anxiety
    18:16 — Collaborating with lactation professionals
    20:40 — Reassessing milk intake standards
    26:39 — Understanding milk supply variability
    27:20 — Emerging technologies in lactation
    32:23 — Bioimpedance and milk measurement innovations
    34:58 — Addressing delayed secretory activation
    41:27 — The case for comprehensive lactation support
    43:02 — Closing thoughts

    Resources Mentioned
    Kivlighan, K. T., & Demirci, J. R. (2026). Measuring low milk supply: Methods and implications for lactation research and clinical practice. Journal of Human Lactation, 42(1), 126–134. https://doi.org/10.1177/08903344261426744
    Dr. Katie Kivlighan:
    Faculty page
    Research profile

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    Music: The Magnifiers — "My Time Traveling Machine"
  • Behind the Latch

    Inside the Milk Bank: Donor Milk, NEC Prevention, and the Myths That Hold Us Back with Dr. Lisa Stellwagen

    17/06/2026 | 1h 5 mins.
    In this episode, Dr. Lisa Stellwagen shares the journey of establishing a hospital-based milk bank, the science behind donor milk, and the future of infant nutrition and milk banking. Discover how policies, safety standards, and community efforts are transforming neonatal care and supporting vulnerable infants.
    Chapters:
    00:00 Introduction to Milk Banking and Its Importance
    04:07 The Journey to Establishing a Milk Bank
    05:24 The Supporting Premature Infant Nutrition Program
    08:43 The Need for More Milk Banks in California
    11:45 Building a Milk Bank: Challenges and Triumphs
    16:52 Understanding Hambana and Milk Bank Structures
    20:14 Pasteurization Standards and Safety in Milk Banking
    23:58 Fortification of Human Milk and Its Implications
    30:18 The Importance of Accreditation and Safety Standards
    34:39 The Donor Process: Ensuring Safety and Efficiency
    35:33 Processing Milk: From Donation to Quality Control
    37:27 Nutritional Targeting: Tailoring Milk for Tiny Patients
    40:11 Analyzing Milk: Understanding Composition and Quality
    43:23 Raising Awareness: The Importance of Milk Donation
    44:30 Barriers to Access: Challenges in Milk Banking
    46:16 The Role of Nonprofit Milk Banks: A Community Approach
    51:58 The Cost of Donor Milk and NICU Decisions
    57:21 Vision for the Future of Milk Banking
    1:00:21 Honoring Bereaved Donors: The Cherry Blossom Program
    1:04:49 Outro

    Resources
    Human Milk Banking Association of North America (HMBANA)
    Promoting Human Milk and Breastfeeding for the Very Low Birth Weight Infant: Clinical Report
    Find a Milk Bank
    Guest Links
    HMBANA-Dr. Stellwagen
    UC Health Milk Bank
    Connect with Margaret
    Email: hello@margaretsalty.com
    Instagram: @margaretsalty
    Facebook: Margaret Salty
    Music by: The Magnifiers – My Time Traveling Machine
  • Behind the Latch

    What COVID and the Formula Shortage Taught Us About Breastfeeding Support with Dr. Elizabeth Kar

    28/05/2026 | 39 mins.
    In this conversation, Dr. Elizabeth Kar discusses her research on breastfeeding promotion and the challenges faced by breastfeeding families during the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly the impact of reduced lactation support and the infant formula shortage. She emphasizes the importance of lactation consultants and community support in successful breastfeeding, critiques the marketing strategies of formula companies, and calls for better policies to protect and promote breastfeeding. In this conversation, Margaret Saltysiak and Elizabeth Kar discuss the complexities surrounding infant feeding choices, particularly the challenges of breastfeeding and formula feeding. They highlight the fragility of the infant feeding infrastructure in the U.S., the lessons learned from the pandemic regarding breastfeeding support, and the critical need for paid family leave to support new parents. The discussion also emphasizes the importance of addressing the needs of vulnerable populations and ensuring equitable access to breastfeeding support and resources.

    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to Elizabeth Kar and Her Work
    03:03 Exploring the Triple Threat to Breastfeeding Families
    06:00 The Impact of COVID-19 on Lactation Support
    09:02 The Role of Lactation Consultants
    11:59 The Formula Shortage and Its Effects
    14:58 The Marketing Influence of Formula Companies
    18:06 The Need for Better Infant Feeding Policies
    21:43 The Challenges of Infant Feeding Choices
    24:15 Fragility of Infant Feeding Infrastructure
    27:20 Lessons from the Pandemic on Breastfeeding Support
    30:25 The Need for Paid Family Leave
    33:48 Addressing Vulnerable Populations in Breastfeeding Support

    Guest
    Elizabeth Kar, RDN, PhD, IBCLC
    Triple Threat or Mere Inconvenience? Exploring the Effect of COVID-19
    Precautions, Lack of Access to Lactation Care, and the Infant Formula
    Shortage on Breastfeeding Behavior of Parents in the Midwest of the
    United States

    Connect with Margaret
    📬 Email: hello@margaretsalty.com
    📸 Instagram: @margaretsalty
    📘 Facebook: Margaret Salty
    Music by: The Magnifiers – My Time Traveling Machine
  • Behind the Latch

    Informal Milk Sharing in the U.S. with Molly Waymouth

    06/05/2026 | 21 mins.
    Margaret interviews, Molly Waymouth, a senior policy analyst at RAND, and they discuss her research on informal milk sharing, its prevalence, risks, and policy implications. They explores how systemic barriers and economic factors influence families' choices and what can be done to improve access to safe, affordable donor milk and lactation support.
    Chapters
    00:00 Introduction to the Conversation
    05:37 Molly's Background and Research Focus
    07:10 Exploring Milk Sharing Practices
    09:35 The Economics of Donor Milk
    11:23 Understanding the Support Gaps
    13:48 Equity and Access in Milk Sharing
    16:27 Risks of Informal Milk Sharing
    16:50 The Need for Comprehensive Support
    18:34 Innovative Approaches to Milk Sharing
    18:50 Designing an Ideal Support System
    20:27 Conclusion and Future Directions
    21:22 outro.mp3

    Resources
    JAMA Open Network Publication - https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2841048
    RAND Corporation - https://www.rand.org/
    LinkedIn Profile of Molly Waymouth - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mollywaymouth/

    Connect with Margaret
    mail: hello@margaretsalty.com
    Instagram: @margaretsalty
    Facebook: Margaret Salty
    Music by: The Magnifiers – My Time Traveling Machine
  • Behind the Latch

    Rethinking Elimination Diets in Breastfeeding: What the Research Actually Shows with Dr. Trillitye Paullin

    22/04/2026 | 1h
    In this episode of Behind the Latch, Margaret Salty interviews Trillitye Paullin, CEO and co-founder of Free to Feed, who shares her groundbreaking work translating emerging research on food reactivity in breastfeeding into practical clinical guidance.
    Together, they unpack one of the most misunderstood topics in lactation: how dietary proteins transfer into breast milk and what that actually means for managing elimination diets. Trillitye explains why the long-standing belief that proteins remain in breast milk for weeks is not supported by current evidence—and how confusing “transfer timing” with “healing timing” has led to unnecessary dietary restriction and early weaning.
    They also explore the realities of non-IgE-mediated food allergies, why traditional allergy testing often fails these families, and how IBCLCs can more effectively assess, manage, and refer these cases.
    This conversation offers a practical, evidence-based framework that has the potential to change how clinicians support breastfeeding dyads navigating food reactivity.
    Key Takeaways for Clinicians
    Food proteins transfer into breast milk quickly—often within minutes—and typically clear within hours, not weeks
    The timeline we see clinically is often driven by infant healing, not ongoing exposure
    Elimination diets should be reassessed early (around 5 days) to determine effectiveness
    Not all symptoms warrant elimination—rule out more common causes first
    Most infants with food reactivity will have symptoms emerge between 2–4 months
    Cow’s milk and soy are the most common triggers, but other foods may be involved
    Reintroduction is critical to avoid unnecessary long-term restriction
    Severe symptoms or lack of improvement beyond dairy/soy elimination should prompt referral
    Non-IgE-mediated allergies cannot be diagnosed with standard allergy testing
    Supporting parental mental health is essential—elimination diets are a significant burden

    Guest
    Trillitye Paullin, PhD, CEO & Co-Founder, Free to Feed
    Free to Feed
    Supporting Families as They Navigate Infant Food Allergies
    Connect with Margaret
    📬 Email: hello@margaretsalty.com
    📸 Instagram: @margaretsalty
    📘 Facebook: Margaret Salty
    Music by: The Magnifiers – My Time Traveling Machine
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About Behind the Latch
The Behind the Latch with Margaret Salty is your essential companion for lifelong growth in the field of lactation consulting. Whether you're a student, a newly certified IBCLC, or an experienced consultant, this podcast is designed to support your ongoing journey. Each episode brings you expert interviews, real-world case studies, and the latest research updates—giving you practical insights you can apply directly to your work with breastfeeding families. Hosted by Margaret Salty, an experienced IBCLC, educator, and mentor, this podcast is here to guide you as you build your knowledge, sharpen your skills, and continue to evolve in your practice. The field of lactation is dynamic, and learning never stops. Behind the Latch will help you stay inspired, stay informed, and stay connected to your purpose.
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