Things Musicians Don't Talk About
Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toal

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- What happens when two young musicians decide to create the opportunities they can't find elsewhere? Sinead and Hannah, founders of Empower, join us to talk about building a platform for women in music from the ground up – from a student concert during the pandemic to a growing organisation supporting performers and composers. They discuss ambition, advocacy, funding, burnout and the challenge of building a sustainable career on their own terms.
Explore Empower!
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. - Ending careers or enhancing performance, where will AI lead us next and who will monitor its impact?
We speak to experts Daniel Lewis and Florian Koempel about their thoughts and observations on the boom of AI, including how it will affect commissioning and programming in the future.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. - We couldn't be more pleased to be releasing this interview with legendary journalist Jessica Duchen. Hosted in her beautiful home, we speak about her path into writing, how personal challenges have affected her outlook on life and journalism, and her decision to no longer be "muzzled". Her commitment to uncovering classical music's uncomfortable truths has resulted in some iconic articles, including her coverage of Ilan Volkov's 2025 Proms pro-Palestinian statement, the Simón Bolívar Youth Orchestra and El-Sistema, and sexism in classical music. A true TMDTA hero.
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Things Musicians Don't Talk About is supported by the Royal Society of Musicians! Follow RSM on Instagram, X and Facebook.
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Hosts: Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toal
Editor: Emma Werner
Music: Katy Ehrlich
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. - This was never going to be a fun episode to make. After some months of sitting on this decision, we are sharing with you the news that TMDTA will come to an end in June after six years of beautiful conversations. In this episode, Becca and I discuss the reasons why and look back over the six years. Thank you thank you for all your incredible love and support – we are so grateful for this community and always will be. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
- What REALLY goes on in the world of ballet and specialist ballet schools? And how different is it to the world of classical music and what can we learn from ballet dancers as musicians?
Louise Bennett is a former ballet dancer and Artistic Director of the London Vocational Ballet School. She Hattie and Becca about the current climate within ballet, experience at the Royal Ballet School, as well as taking us through her struggles with injury and leaving the industry.
More about Louise: https://www.louisebennett.info/about
The London Vocational Ballet School
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Things Musicians Don't Talk About is supported by the Royal Society of Musicians! Follow RSM on Instagram, X and Facebook.
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Hosts: Hattie Butterworth & Rebecca Toal
Editor: Hattie Butterworth
Music: Katy Ehrlich
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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About Things Musicians Don't Talk About
Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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