I'm Collin Cadmus, a lifelong salesperson, 5x Sales & Marketing Leader, CRO, VP Sales, and industry thought leader who has hired and trained over 300 B2B salesp...
Hello and welcome back to the Collin Cadmus Podcast. Today I’m joined by Justin Otley.
Justin went to Radford University and then started his career as an SDR for Software AG where he stayed for over 10 years working his way up to Sr. Director of Sales Development, until landing his most recent and current position as VP of Global Sales Development at Talkdesk.
Sales Development is the most challenging and important aspect of any sales organization, so today’s episode is going to focus specifically on what it takes to be a great SDR and to scale a world-class sales development team.
After 13 years of leading sales development teams to great success, I’m excited to get his thoughts and learn his secret sauce. Before we get started, if you’re watching on YouTube, please take a moment to subscribe to the channel, like the video, and leave us a comment if you have questions or feedback. If you’re joining us from Spotify or Apple Podcasts, please drop us a review and let us know what you think of the episode. This is much appreciated.
Without further adieu, let’s dive in and get his thoughts.
--TOPICS:
00:00:00 Intro
00:04:45 Outbound Sales is Broken
00:21:24 Growth-at-all-Costs
00:29:57 AI in Sales Development
00:37:14 Great SDRs in 2025
00:51:30 Issue Diagnosis Framework
00:59:12 Sales Development at Talkdesk
01:07:15 Growth plan for 2025
01:16:52 Are you hiring?--QUESTIONS:1. What’s broken with B2B outbound and how did we get here?
2. What are your thoughts on the Growth-at-all-Costs model?
3. What’s your take on AI in sales development over the next 5-10 years?
4. What does a great SDR look like in 2025?
5. What is your issue diagnosis framework for coaching?
6. What is your winning outbound motion at Talkdesk?
7. What is the plan for growing and improving in 2025?
8. Are you hiring?--LINKS:Talkdesk: https://www.talkdesk.com
Collin on X: https://x.com/collincadmus
Modern Outbound System: https://www.collincadmus.com/the-modern-outbound-system
Sales Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/sales-coaching
Founder Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/founder-coaching
Collin Cadmus Podcast: https://www.collincadmus.com/podcasts/collin-cadmus-podcast
Revenue Growth Blog: https://www.collincadmus.com/blog--Sit back, relax, enjoy the episode, and thank you for listening, viewing, and subscribing.
Available on: YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.
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1:19:54
Building SaaS Without Venture Capital w/ Jordan Kennedy
Hello and welcome back to the Collin Cadmus Podcast. Today I’m joined by Jordan Kennedy.
Jordan studied finance and investment banking at Wisconsin School of Business and then started his career as a financial consultant at a financial services company and then as an investment associate at a family office. He then jumped into the tech world getting into Business Development and Revenue Leadership for companies like Wunderkind, Sawyer, and Botify until starting his most recent and current venture where he serves today as the Co-founder and CEO of Jump.
After experiencing first-hand what it’s like to scale teams through the Growth-at-all-Costs model, Jordan and his co-founders are taking a different approach to building Jump, so I’m particularly excited to get his thoughts and find out how they plan to break the status quo.
Before we get started, if you’re watching on YouTube, please take a moment to subscribe to the channel, like the video, and leave us a comment if you have questions or feedback. If you’re joining us from Spotify or Apple Podcasts, please drop us a review and let us know what you think of the episode. This stuff really helps to grow the audience.
Without further adieu, let’s dive in and get his thoughts.--TOPICS:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:11 Outbound Sales is Broken
00:09:29 Growth-at-all-Costs
00:20:02 AI in Sales
00:27:10 Sales Quota Attainment
00:33:25 Low average tenure
00:41:08 What is Jump
00:47:35 Jump’s Business Model--QUESTIONS:1. What’s broken with B2B outbound and how did we get here?
2. What are your thoughts on the Growth-at-all-Costs model?
3. What’s your take on AI in sales over the next 5-10 years?
4. What do you think is the reason for low sales quota attainment?
5. What do you think is the cause for 18 month average tenure for VP Sales?
6. What are you building at Jump?
7. How are you funding Jump and what’s the business model?--LINKS:Jump: https://jumprevenue.com
Jordan on X: https://x.com/jordanuwkennedy
Collin on X: https://x.com/collincadmus
Modern Outbound System: https://www.collincadmus.com/the-modern-outbound-system
Sales Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/sales-coaching
Founder Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/founder-coaching
Collin Cadmus Podcast: https://www.collincadmus.com/podcasts/collin-cadmus-podcast
Revenue Growth Blog: https://www.collincadmus.com/blog--Sit back, relax, enjoy the episode, and thank you for listening, viewing, and subscribing.
Available on: YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.
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1:03:34
Interviewing My First VP of Sales w/ Adam Liebman
Hello and welcome back to the Collin Cadmus Podcast. Today I’m joined by Adam Liebman, my first VP of Sales who hired me out of my retail job at CVS and trained me into becoming a top salesperson at SinglePlatform.
Adam graduated from the University of Missouri-Columbia in 2008 and then started his career in sales at Yext, which was founded by Howard Lerman who I interviewed in episode 15. He was then recruited out of Yext to become the VP of Sales at SinglePlatform, which was founded by Wiley Cerilli who I interviewed in episode 2.
Adam led sales at SinglePlatform from its infancy to being acquired for $100 million by Constant Contact and not only taught me how to prospect and sell, but then taught me how to take over the hiring and training of salespeople at SinglePlatform which launched my career into sales leadership.
After SinglePlatform Adam founded a social app called Squad, which aimed to help groups of people make plans and meet up in major cities, similar to Tinder, but for friend groups.
After Squad Adam went back to sales leadership at Flexport, Seated, and RenoFi, until landing his most recent and current position as VP of Inside Sales at Steno.
Adam has also served as a consultant, advisor, and investor to dozens of top startups. Needless to say, he’s done a lot and it’s been a long time since we last spoke, so I’m excited to catch up on his journey and get his thoughts on all that’s changing in B2B sales.
Before we get started, if you’re watching on YouTube, please take a moment to subscribe to the channel, like the video, and leave us a comment if you have questions or feedback. If you’re joining us from Spotify or Apple Podcasts, please drop us a review and let us know what you think of the episode. This stuff really helps to grow the audience.
Without further adieu, let’s dive in.--TOPICS:00:00:00 Intro
00:02:18 SinglePlatform
00:04:15 Squad
00:13:41 Back to Sales Leadership
00:21:18 Picking an Employer
00:23:57 What’s Changed in Sales
00:34:40 Growth-at-all-Costs
00:39:39 AI in Sales
00:44:34 What is Steno
00:47:01 Sales Model at Steno
00:55:48 Jobs at Steno--QUESTIONS:1. Can you give an overview of what you built at SinglePlatform and how it led to founding Squad?
2. What was it like founding a consumer app like Squad? What happened? What did you learn?
3. After tremendous success at SinglePlatform, what was it like going back to sales leadership?
4. Every company is different, how do you pick the right company to lead sales for?
5. What has changed the most in sales since the SinglePlatform days? Has your process evolved?
6. What are your thoughts on Growth-at-all-Costs vs aiming for efficiency and profitability?
7. What’s your take on AI in sales over the next 5-10 years?
8. What is Steno?
9. What’s the sales model and process look like at Steno?
10. What roles are you hiring for and who should apply?--LINKS:Steno: https://steno.com
Adam on X: https://x.com/AdamLiebman
Collin on X: https://x.com/collincadmus
Modern Outbound System: https://www.collincadmus.com/the-modern-outbound-system
Sales Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/sales-coaching
Founder Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/founder-coaching
Collin Cadmus Podcast: https://www.collincadmus.com/podcasts/collin-cadmus-podcast
Revenue Growth Blog: https://www.collincadmus.com/blog--Sit back, relax, enjoy the episode, and thank you for listening, viewing, and subscribing.
Available on: YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.
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1:04:45
Coaching Salespeople at Harvard w/ Lori Richardson
Hello and welcome back to the Collin Cadmus Podcast. Today I’m joined by Lori Richardson.
Lori finished high school at 16 and went to the University of Washington where she received her degree in education. She then became a teacher but was quickly discouraged by the limited earning potential and found her way into B2B sales where the sky's the limit.
She started at the bottom in SDR and BDR roles, became a full-cycle rep, and then worked in sales leadership for over 18 years before launching her sales strategy firm, Score More Sales, where she helps mid-sized technology, distribution, and services companies grow front-line revenues.
She’s a widely known and respected voice in the community, the host of the Women Sales Pros podcast, an advisor to many companies, and a Sales Coach at Harvard Business School, so I’m excited to get her thoughts on all that’s changing in B2B sales and find out what she thinks is working and what isn’t as we prepare for 2025 and beyond.
Before we get started, if you’re watching on YouTube, please take a moment to subscribe to the channel, like the video, and leave us a comment if you have questions or feedback. If you’re joining us from Spotify or Apple Podcasts, please drop us a review and let us know what you think of the episode. This stuff really helps to grow the audience.
Without further adieu, let’s dive in and get her thoughts.--TOPICS:00:00:00 Intro
00:01:57 Outbound Sales is Broken
00:10:33 Growth-at-all-Cost
00:18:48 AI in Sales
00:23:14 Sales Quota Attainment
00:28:11 Data for Growth
00:36:01 Tactics That Work
00:40:04 Best Sales Tools
00:41:50 Score More Sales
00:50:20 Women in Sales Scholarship--QUESTIONS:1. What’s broken with B2B outbound and how did we get here?
2. What’s happening to the Growth-at-all-Cost model?
3. What’s your take on AI in sales over the next 5-10 years?
4. What do you think is the reason for low sales quota attainment?
5. How should sales orgs be using data to fuel growth?
6. What tactics actually work today for outbound?
7. What are the best sales tools for reps today?
8. What is Score More Sales and who should check it out?
9. What is the Women in Sales scholarship you’re working on?--LINKS:Women in Sales Scholarship: https://hhs.purdue.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Barbara-Giamanco-Memorial-Scholarship-1.pdf
Sales Education Foundation: https://salesfoundation.org
Lori's Book: https://a.co/d/2F4prM8
Score More Sales: https://www.scoremoresales.com
Lori on X: https://x.com/scoremoresales
Collin on X: https://x.com/collincadmus
Modern Outbound System: https://www.collincadmus.com/the-modern-outbound-system
Sales Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/sales-coaching
Founder Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/founder-coaching
Collin Cadmus Podcast: https://www.collincadmus.com/podcasts/collin-cadmus-podcast
Revenue Growth Blog: https://www.collincadmus.com/blog--Sit back, relax, enjoy the episode, and thank you for listening, viewing, and subscribing.
Available on: YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.
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55:42
How to Win Outbound Sales w/ Jen Allen-Knuth
Hello and welcome back to the Collin Cadmus Podcast. Today I’m joined by Jen Allen-Knuth.
Jen graduated from Penn State University in 2003 and then started her career as an Account Analyst for CEB, where she spent over 14 years crushing her way up the ladder through 8 different sales positions including large enterprise.
After CEB Jen spent the next 4 years closing enterprise deals for Challenger, before founding her most recent and current venture DemandJen, where she delivers keynotes and workshops to help sales teams generate pipeline and defeat the buyer status quo.
I’ve been following her content on LinkedIn for a long time, if you’re not already, you should too, and I’m excited to get her thoughts on all that’s changing in B2B sales and find out what she thinks is working and what isn’t for generating pipeline in 2024 and beyond.
Before we get started, if you’re watching on YouTube, please take a moment to subscribe to the channel, like the video, and leave us a comment if you have questions or feedback. If you’re joining us from Spotify or Apple Podcasts, please drop us a review and let us know what you think of the episode. This stuff really helps to grow the audience.
Without further adieu, let’s dive in and get her thoughts.--TOPICS:00:00:00 Intro
00:02:46 Outbound Sales is Broken
00:05:51 Growth-at-all-Cost
00:13:51 AI in Sales
00:23:47 Sales Quota Attainment
00:34:13 Quality vs Quantity
00:43:00 Tactics That Work
00:50:28 Best Sales Tools
00:54:59 DemandJen--QUESTIONS:1. What’s broken with B2B outbound and how did we get here?
2. What’s happening to the Growth-at-all-Cost model?
3. What’s your take on AI in sales over the next 5-10 years?
4. What do you think is the reason for low sales quota attainment?
5. Should reps focus on quality or quantity for outbound?
6. What tactics actually work today for outbound?
7. What are the best sales tools in your stack?
8. What is DemandJen?--LINKS:DemandJen: https://demandjen.com
Jen on X: https://x.com/demandjenallen
Collin on X: https://x.com/collincadmus
Modern Outbound System: https://www.collincadmus.com/the-modern-outbound-system
Sales Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/sales-coaching
Founder Coaching: https://www.collincadmus.com/founder-coaching
Collin Cadmus Podcast: https://www.collincadmus.com/podcasts/collin-cadmus-podcast
Revenue Growth Blog: https://www.collincadmus.com/blog--Sit back, relax, enjoy the episode, and thank you for listening, viewing, and subscribing.
Available on: YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.
I'm Collin Cadmus, a lifelong salesperson, 5x Sales & Marketing Leader, CRO, VP Sales, and industry thought leader who has hired and trained over 300 B2B salespeople, generating over $100M in recurring revenue and over $300M in exits.
With over ten years of experience building and scaling SaaS sales teams, I now serve as a Consultant, Advisor, and Coach to top SaaS companies around the world.
If you're into sales, marketing, leadership, or technology, this podcast is for you. Available on YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.