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Craig and Dino dig into the widening gap between IT and OT and why the plant floor keeps getting left behind.
They break down what Dragos ' acquisition of Phosphorus signals for the future of IoT security in manufacturing, from cameras and label printers to X-ray inspection systems that ship with default passwords and almost never get patched.
The conversation gets sharp on artificial intelligence: the same models helping plants work smarter are now lowering the barrier for attackers, putting Stuxnet-style capabilities into the hands of people who lack the resources and sophistication that nation states once needed.
Craig and Dino expose the everyday habits that leave operations vulnerable, including system integrators plugging personal laptops straight into production networks, locked USB ports that solve only half the problem, and remote access so wide open that a single entry point can expose an entire plant.
They argue that nobody truly owns OT cyber hygiene, that frameworks like IEC 62443 and the NIST 800 82 series get named in RFPs but rarely enforced, and that leaders keep tripping over dollars to pick up nickels by choosing the cheapest bid over real protection.
It's a candid, experience-driven look at why industrial security moves so slowly and what plant leaders, engineers, and security teams can actually do about it.
Chapters:
(00:00:00) - AI Enters the OT Battlefield
(00:01:30) - Why IoT Is Creeping Onto the Plant Floor
(00:03:30) - Printers, Cameras, and the Default Passwords Nobody Owns
(00:06:00) - Dragos, Phosphorus, and the Managed Services Question
(00:08:00) - How AI Lowers the Bar for Attacking Control Systems
(00:09:40) - Stuxnet Then vs. AI-Powered Attacks Now
(00:12:00) - The Laptop in the Plant: Contractors, USBs, and Open Networks
(00:16:00) - Frameworks on Paper vs. Reality (IEC 62443 & NIST 800-82)
(00:19:00) - Tripping Over Dollars to Pick Up Nickels
(00:24:00) - Short-Tenure CISOs and Why You Shouldn't Go It Alone

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Craig and Dino address one of the most overlooked problems in OT security: the IIoT devices your security tools don't automatically detect.
Most OT intrusion detection platforms do a reasonable job of identifying core control-layer assets such as PLCs, drives, and motor control centers. The problem is everything else. Laptops plugged into the network, third-party devices brought in by contractors, and a growing range of connected IIoT equipment often go completely undetected. Those are the gaps where risk accumulates.
Craig and Dino explain why the belief that machines are air-gapped is a dangerous myth, how PLCs acting as gateways prevent intrusion detection platforms from seeing the devices behind them, and why an asset inventory is not the same as knowing your real risk and CVE exposure in multi-vendor environments.
They reframe OT cybersecurity as a process-integrity problem and show how unmanaged network activity, third-party remote access, and even routine IT security scans can quietly degrade OEE and trigger unplanned downtime that costs millions.
Using predictive-maintenance analogies such as thermal, harmonics, and vibration sensing, they make the case for treating digital anomalies the same way mature plants already treat mechanical ones.
They close by examining why so many OT detection tools become shelfware, how to escape alert fatigue, and the two practical paths to real IT/OT convergence: building the right relationships with OEMs, system integrators, and AEC partners, and designing security-ready facilities from the ground up.
It's a practical listen for CISOs, plant and engineering leaders, and OT/IT teams responsible for securing manufacturing and critical infrastructure.
Chapters:
(00:00:00) - Why No Industrial Asset Is Truly Air-Gapped
(00:01:08) - IoT vs. IIoT: How OT Assets Get Classified
(00:03:15) - The Control-Layer Blind Spot: Drives, Robots, and Motor Controls
(00:05:25) - How PLC Gateways Hide Assets From Intrusion Detection
(00:07:30) - Asset Inventory Isn't Risk: The CVE Gap in Multi-Vendor Plants
(00:08:55) - When Cyber Blind Spots Become Costly Downtime
(00:10:05) - Process Integrity: How Security Scans Disrupt Production
(00:11:35) - Predictive Maintenance Meets Digital Anomaly Detection
(00:17:45) - Avoiding OT Shelfware and Alert Fatigue
(00:19:45) - IT/OT Convergence: Choosing a Partner and Building Secure-by-Design

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The joint CISA, FBI, Department of War, Department of Energy, and Department of State briefing on adapting Zero Trust to operational technology landed on April 29. Has OT leadership read it?
In this episode, Craig and Dino address how the European Cyber Resilience Act is quietly forcing US plants into failed audits, why IT teams still see less than a third of OT assets, how EDR tools are taking down $100K-an-hour packaging lines, and why only a handful of integrators in North America have a real OT cybersecurity practice.
They walk through what zero trust and micro-segmentation actually look like inside a 20-year-old plant with flat layer-two networks, DLR rings, jump boxes, and Cradlepoint workarounds, and lay out the first concrete move every CISO and CIO should make to start closing the IT/OT gap.
Chapters:
(00:00:00) - Cold Open: How the European CRA Is Failing US Plants
(00:01:30) - The April 29 CISA/FBI Zero Trust in OT Briefing Nobody Read
(00:05:00) - Compliance Without Teeth: Why US Regulations Aren't Moving the Needle
(00:07:30) - When CrowdStrike Shuts Down a $100K-an-Hour Packaging Line
(00:10:30) - The Visibility Gap: IT Sees Less Than a Third of OT Assets
(00:15:30) - OEM Resistance: The Million-Dollar, Six-Month Cybersecurity Tax
(00:18:30) - The Cradlepoint Workaround: How Plant Managers Bypass IT
(00:21:30) - Layering Zero Trust onto a 20-Year-Old Plant Without Rip-and-Replace
(00:25:30) - Why Only 5–10 of 1,000 Integrators Have a Real OT Cyber Practice
(00:31:30) - Where CISOs Should Actually Be Looking (Hint: Not RSA or Black Hat)

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Most manufacturing organizations still operate with a dangerous blind spot: IT and OT teams working in completely different dimensions with no shared visibility into plant floor cybersecurity.
In this episode, Dino and Jim break down why 90% of manufacturers remain in the unaware-to-awareness phase when it comes to OT cybersecurity. They address what happens when IT tries to shoehorn enterprise security into operational environments they don't understand, and how the lack of collaboration between these two groups leads to costly unplanned downtime — sometimes at $100,000 per hour or more.
Drawing from real client engagements, they reveal why OT must take a leadership role in cybersecurity (just like safety), how OT IDS tools can deliver operational value far beyond threat detection, and what it actually takes to get IT and OT speaking the same language before a breach forces them to.
Chapters:
(00:00:00) - Why IT and OT Need to Get to the Table Now
(00:01:47) - Cats and Dogs Living Together: The IT/OT Culture Clash
(00:03:00) - 90% of Manufacturers Are Still in the Dark on OT Cyber
(00:06:00) - What Is OT and Why Don't OT People Know They're OT?
(00:08:45) - Real Client Story: The Missing OT Team on a Global Kickoff
(00:13:00) - Ask Forgiveness, Not Permission: How OT Workarounds Create Risk
(00:15:00) - The OT IDS Tool Nobody's Sharing With OT
(00:19:30) - Why Manual Discovery Assessments Are Throwing Money Away
(00:21:00) - 15 Switch Manufacturers in One Plant: The Architecture Nightmare
(00:25:30) - OT Cybersecurity Is the New Safety — Treat It Like One
(00:29:00) - Final Advice for IT and OT Teams Ready to Converge

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Craig sits down with Wil Klusovsky, a 26-year cybersecurity veteran and CRO at viLogics, to break down why asset visibility and exposure management are the foundation of any solid OT security strategy.
From the myth of the air-gapped shop floor to the real-world math behind quantifying cyber risk in dollars and cents, Will and Craig explore how manufacturers can move beyond fear-based selling, bridge the gap between IT and operations, and build programmatic cybersecurity that protects both production uptime and the bottom line.
They discuss how to frame cyber risk as business risk, why compensating controls and context matter more than raw vulnerability numbers, and why the CISO's real job is "chief inside selling officer."
Chapters:
(00:00:00) - Welcoming Will to the Podcast!
(00:02:12) - Why Asset Visibility Is the Starting Point for OT Security
(00:03:48) - The Air Gap Myth and Legacy Systems on the Shop Floor
(00:04:52) - Translating Cyber Risk Into Dollars and Cents
(00:07:05) - Quantifying Downtime: Mean Time to Recovery and True Cost of Ownership
(00:09:55) - Risk Appetite: Spend to Mitigate or Accept the Exposure?
(00:11:32) - Who Really Owns the Risk? Executives, Not CISOs
(00:13:00) - Uptime, OEE, and Why Cybersecurity Risk Is Business Risk
(00:15:45) - Remote Access Risks and Competing Priorities on the Shop Floor
(00:18:04) - The "Chief Inside Selling Officer" — Getting Buy-In Before Budget
(00:19:48) - The Get Out of Jail Free Card: Aligning Incentives Across Teams
(00:22:30) - Context Over CVE Counts: 600 Critical Vulns, Zero Exploitable
(00:25:42) - Prioritizing Remediation by Business Impact, Not Severity Score
(00:26:30) - Wrap-Up and Part 2 Preview: Business Impact Analysis

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