Industrial Cybersecurity Insider

Dino sits down with Matt Pike of Rockwell Automation for an honest conversation about why industrial cybersecurity still stalls out inside so many plants, and it has very little to do with technology. Matt walks through his path from onsite IT support at a large automotive manufacturer into OT security, and explains why modern security principles keep colliding with legacy systems that were built to run untouched for fifteen or twenty years. The two dig into the real reason the IT and OT gap has not closed, why CISOs often reach for a familiar tool instead of a strategy, and how Rockwell approaches visibility in a fully vendor agnostic way across Siemens, Honeywell, Emerson and everything else sitting on a plant floor. They also get practical about the pieces most teams skip: secure by design language inside RFQs and integrator contracts, response and recovery plans that almost nobody has written, and the funding question of who actually pays for security when a capital project lands. Matt shares what he is seeing from attackers using AI to speed up reconnaissance and rewrite ransomware around detection, and why the air gap most plants believe in disappears the moment data reaches a historian. His closing advice cuts through the noise: stop buying tools and start with an asset visibility strategy, because you cannot secure what you have never actually seen.
Chapters:
(00:00:00) Matt Pike's path from IT support into OT security
(00:03:00) Why the IT and OT gap still has not closed
(00:06:00) When leadership thinks a tool will fix a people problem
(00:09:30) Vendor agnostic visibility down to the asset layer
(00:11:00) Secure by design on greenfield and brownfield projects
(00:14:00) The incident response plan nobody wrote
(00:17:30) AI on the plant floor and what it actually requires
(00:20:00) How attackers are already using AI
(00:22:30) The air gap myth and east/west blind spots
(00:27:30) Funding security through the capital project

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Safety starts with a goal. So should cybersecurity.
Craig Duckworth sits down with Shankar Somasundaram, CEO of Asimily and former head of Symantec's IoT business, to explain why plant floor cybersecurity is a safety issue, not an IT expense. They cover why industrial cybersecurity programs stall after the tool is purchased, how to start with a goal instead of a solution, and why fixing the biggest risks first beats trying to secure everything at once.
The conversation also covers network segmentation mistakes, AI as both a helper and a new threat to critical infrastructure, protecting legacy OT and IoT equipment without disrupting production, watching traffic inside the plant, what drives cybersecurity maturity, and what OT security market consolidation means for manufacturers.
Shankar's three takeaways for your next budget cycle:
Cyber risk is safety risk
Start with the goal
Visibility and fixing the problem are one program, not two

Chapters:
(00:00:00) Cybersecurity is patient safety, operational safety, plant safety
(00:00:45) Meet Shankar and the four pillars behind Asimily
(00:03:50) Why OT security projects stall after the tool is purchased
(00:06:20) Start with a goal, not a solution
(00:09:20) Exposure management and the segmentation myths that slow teams down
(00:11:45) AI as enabler and attacker inside critical infrastructure
(00:15:40) Collecting data on legacy OT and IoT without disrupting operations
(00:18:20) North south, east west, and the flow data most teams skip
(00:20:00) Does maturity come from size, budget, or management
(00:24:20) Consolidation in the OT market and the advice Shankar leaves behind

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This highlight episode pulls the sharpest moments from past conversations into one continuous argument about why industrial cyber risk keeps escalating and why so many programs stall before they start.
Craig Duckworth and Dino Busalachi open with a number that should stop any executive team cold: one manufacturer lost roughly $500 million in valuation inside 60 hours, and that loss had nothing to do with lost production.
From there the conversation gets practical. They explain why a plant floor security program cannot be run entirely from the data center, why asset inventory and communication flow mapping must come before any discussion of segmentation, and what distinguishes warranted traffic from unwarranted traffic within a control system environment.
Jim Cook joins to break down the difference between a flat network and what the team calls a super flat network, where drives, flow meters, robots, and business systems all share the same space. Together, they make the case that zero trust in operational technology must be built from the bottom of the stack upward, using what they describe as the bucket approach, rather than layered over the plant with enterprise tooling that nobody on site knows how to operate.
The episode closes on ownership: who is accountable, who the plant manager actually trusts, and why the people who design and build the machines belong in the room from day one. If you are responsible for production uptime and for protecting the assets that create it, this one is a fast tour of the decisions that matter most.
Chapters:
(00:00:00) A $500 Million Valuation Loss In 60 Hours
(00:01:00) Why Industrial Cyber Risk Is More Urgent Right Now
(00:03:00) Why IT Cannot Secure The Plant Floor Alone
(00:05:00) Asset Inventory And Communication Flows Come First
(00:07:00) Building A Defensible Architecture In OT Environments
(00:09:00) Flat Networks Versus Super Flat Networks
(00:11:00) The Bucket Approach To Segmentation
(00:14:00) Vetting A Cybersecurity Partner The Right Way
(00:16:00) Tabletop Exercises With The Executive Team
(00:19:00) Who Actually Owns Industrial Cybersecurity

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Most plants are running production on infrastructure nobody wants to touch. Somebody installed it years ago, that person is long gone, and the standing rule is to leave it alone so it keeps working.
In this episode, Dino sits down with Jeff Slapp, cofounder, CTO and head of produduct development at SteelDome, to talk about what it would take to change that.
Jeff has spent almost 30 years building and running data centers, starting with VMware back in 1998, and he admits that until recently he couldn't have properly defined OT, even though control systems, safety systems, and fire suppression were around him the entire time.
They dig into why so many manufacturers still have hundreds of standalone HMIs, why a capital project is the real moment to think about security, and why IT/OT convergence rarely shows up in practice the way everyone talks about it. Jeff also walks through what it means to stand up a full production platform, complete with secure remote access, in about 90 seconds instead of nine months.
They close on the reality that this is a people problem more than a technology problem, and why AI on the plant floor will only be as good as the foundation it runs on.
Chapters:
(00:00:00) If technology is not saving time, money, or mistakes, what is the point?
(00:01:12) Jeff Slapp's 30-year journey from early VMware to co-founding SteelDome
(00:04:35) What a universal infrastructure operating system means for the plant
(00:06:24) An IT veteran admits OT was around him the whole time, and he never saw it
(00:10:03) Legacy plants, standalone HMIs, and the "nobody touches it" problem
(00:13:22) Kasm and secure application delivery: the missing third layer
(00:18:04) Time to value: a full production platform in 90 seconds, not nine months
(00:21:56) Democratizing infrastructure and where AI meets industrial security
(00:25:14) Secure by design: build cybersecurity into the capital project
(00:28:38) Asset inventory gaps, the IT/OT convergence myth, and closing thoughts

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Manufacturing cybersecurity can't succeed when IT acts as the enforcer and OT sees security as an obstacle to production.
CyberHoot founder Craig Taylor joins Dino Busalachi to explain why punishment-based awareness programs create resistance, how positive reinforcement can turn employees into an active layer of defense, and why cyber preparedness belongs beside safety, quality, uptime, and availability as a core plant metric.
They discuss the overlooked role of system integrators and machine builders, the danger of unmanaged laptops and remote access, the false comfort ofair-gappedd systems, and the growing risk that AI poses to aging industrial technology.
Craig also shares a simple framework called PAR, which means pause, assess, and report, and makes the case for short, practical training that rewards people for speaking up before a mistake becomes a shutdown.
Chapters:
(00:00:00) Why IT should empower OT
(00:05:18) Connecting cyber awareness to plant uptime
(00:10:04) The missing role of system integrators
(00:15:07) Building a culture that rewards reporting
(00:20:01) Legacy equipment, limited resources, and better incentives
(00:24:06) Vulnerable plants and the air gap myth
(00:29:07) Treating cybersecurity like plant safety
(00:34:00) The personal value of cyber literacy

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