The Home Service Expert Podcast

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Tommy Mello does $410 million a year and admits he is still chasing the next thing. Tal Ben-Shahar taught the most popular course in Harvard's history, built the world's first master's and PhD in happiness studies, and won Israel's national squash title at 16 only to feel nothing three hours later. Together they break down the arrival fallacy that runs every entrepreneur, why happier companies post better margins, the SPIRE model, minimum viable interventions you can do in 60 seconds, why New Year's resolutions die by January 17, the phone-in-a-box rule, the accountability buddy that raises follow-through by 200 percent, the good enough life, and what it means to give yourself permission to be human.
Connect with Tal ⟶ https://talben-shahar.com
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00:00 - Introduction
01:27 - The unhappiness that started 30 years of research
03:23 - National champion at 16, satisfied for three hours
05:40 - What is the arrival fallacy?
06:30 - Unhappy versus depressed and quiet desperation
08:11 - Enough is never enough and the $3 billion regret
09:38 - Two schools of thought and turning goal theory on its head
13:43 - SPIRE: the five elements of wellbeing
17:20 - Minimum viable interventions
18:34 - Five things you can do in the next 60 seconds
22:31 - Vision boards and the environment that primes you
25:04 - The six-week challenge and why resolutions die on January 17
26:51 - Keystone habits and islands of sanity
28:16 - Would you sleep next to a bottle of whiskey?
30:45 - Habits belong on the calendar
31:39 - The age of distraction and being bored with dignity
35:43 - Zero startup cost and the 200 percent accountability buddy
37:54 - Commitment bracelets and the letter N
42:53 - Stress is fine, recovery is what's missing
43:51 - Does happiness lead to success or the other way around?
45:01 - Six Fs, balance and fitting 48 hours into 24
48:59 - Wearables, step counts and building happiness into a blue collar culture
52:49 - Speed round: the biggest misconception high achievers have
53:46 - Live every day as if it's your first
57:27 - Rate it 1 to 10: cold plunge, sauna, sleep and reading
1:00:39 - Permission to be human
1:02:02 - Learn to fail or fail to learn
1:03:47 - Advice for your 20s and the 90-minute sprint
1:05:34 - $10 million and the Happiness Studies Academy
1:06:35 - Five books, one for each SPIRE element
1:08:19 - How to reach Tal and his closing message
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Jason Feifer has run Entrepreneur Magazine for 10 years, and his message to owners is the opposite of what you'd expect: the title you hold is rented, press won't save you, and the only safe ground is something you own. He and Tommy get into being singular instead of interchangeable, the billionaire mentor he walked away from, why he tells businesses to stop chasing coverage, and the arbitrary yes that keeps life interesting.
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00:00 - Introduction
02:05 - Singular or interchangeable
05:33 - Accessible vs available
06:51 - The title you rent
10:37 - Who should actually be an entrepreneur
16:20 - Why he ditched his own framework
18:50 - Ryan Reynolds: willing to be bad
21:05 - The Mailchimp all-hands story
25:43 - The Gary Vee focus debate
28:05 - The billionaire's list
30:46 - An interesting life
31:40 - The Dan Martell exchange
35:28 - How the speaking career started
37:50 - Don't bother with press
39:40 - Google zero
41:57 - What matters most: brand trust
43:01 - Awards, rankings, and recruiting proof
46:00 - The rapid-fire round
47:34 - No meetings before 11
52:40 - The Dave Eggers sellout screed
59:01 - Where to find Jason
1:01:00 - The arbitrary yes
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Tommy sits down with Mark C. Winters, co-author of Rocket Fuel and author of the new book Visionary, to name the seat most founders never see: the integrator. They get into why four visionaries exist for every one integrator, why founders who sell rarely last a year, the 2017 hire that set Tommy free, and the one question every owner should answer before they ever think about selling.
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Follow Mark C. Winters ⟶ https://markcwinters.com
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00:00 - Introduction
00:43 - Mark's Origin Story
04:11 - Predictable Visionary Patterns
06:55 - Small Shops To $400M
08:20 - Is "Founder" A Risk?
09:40 - Why Founders Leave After The Sale
12:18 - Who Becomes The Integrator
16:10 - What Getting Stuck Looks Like
20:11 - Five Abilities To Break Ceilings
23:50 - Can Your Spouse Be The Integrator?
27:58 - The Seat Founders Can't See
31:15 - The Thankless Number Two
34:09 - The Three-Piece Puzzle
39:33 - The First Sign It's Failing
42:38 - Four Visionaries, One Integrator
43:34 - The Bottleneck At The Top
46:57 - The Ski Resort CEO
49:00 - How To Find Your Integrator
51:09 - The Hard Truth
55:01 - The One System To Install Now
1:02:40 - Would You Give It All Back?
1:08:48 - Where To Find Mark
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Tommy Mello sits down with two returning guests: Aaron Gaynor, founder of Eco Plumbers, Electricians, and HVAC Technicians, fresh off crossing $100 million and pacing $113M this year, and Zac Dearing, co-founder of Mantel, the AI-powered sales platform behind some of the sharpest shopping data in home services. No rehashed stories, just what is working right now: why recruiting beats leads, the new hire who sold $1M of HVAC in his first month, the labor burden number every tech should know, why 60 to 70% of deals are still alive after you leave the home, the 15% market share rule that tells you when to grow, and the marketing math that separates maintaining from grow-grow.
Follow Aaron Gaynor and Eco: https://geteco.com
Follow Zac Dearing and Mantel: https://usemantel.com
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00:00 - Introduction
01:03 - Aaron's $100M Milestone And The New Headquarters
06:23 - Where Homeowners Spend Their Decision Time
08:46 - Two Years On Mantel: Eco's Close Rate Now
10:37 - 69% Shop For Pricing Online And Most Find Nothing
12:23 - The Options Formula And The Sunday Effect
14:55 - Recruiting Beats Leads: Who Not How
17:09 - The New Hire Who Sold $1M In One Month
18:46 - Loyalty, Labor Burden, And The 24% Line
24:33 - The One Truck Exercise And What A Call Really Costs
29:01 - Private Equity, Labor, And Who Really Benefits
34:04 - What Contractors Actually Adopt In AI
35:43 - Charging More Than The Average Bear
42:27 - Sales Is Not A Dirty Word
44:53 - Shopping Beats Selling
49:33 - When Homeowners Actually Read Your Proposal
51:31 - Buy Or Build: The Greenfield Answer
56:30 - Marketing Math: Maintain, Grow, Or Grow Grow
01:00:21 - The 15% Rule: When To Enter A New Market
01:06:30 - Closer Hats, Next Missions, And Final Advice
01:12:40 - Stop Assuming The Deal Is Dead
01:16:09 - The Apollo 11 Close
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Danny Morel built a Southern California real estate machine he describes as $1B a year in sales with 400 agents, then answered no to happy, in love, and loving his work in the same breath. One night the questions he'd been avoiding caught up with him, and he walked away to teach entrepreneurs how to heal instead. He and Tommy Mello get into why the drive you brag about might be the thing to fix, the energy ladder from shame to enlightenment, the 4:30 AM lie all over your feed, and the mentor's rule that ran a billion-dollar company on 20 hours a week: split your day in thirds, delegate everything else, and never trade your peace for the next milestone.
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More from Danny ⟶ https://dannymorel.com
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00:00 - Introduction
03:10 - The Billion-Dollar Empire
03:40 - Three Questions He Feared
04:58 - Tommy Asks Them Back
06:14 - Loving Yourself First
08:37 - Tommy Opens Up
10:14 - Why Enough Is Never Enough
13:33 - From Judgment To Healing
15:48 - "You Learned To Be Driven"
17:41 - Fear And Victim Consciousness
20:20 - The Energy Ladder
23:13 - Bob Marley And Vibration
25:26 - Purpose Isn't Doing
30:17 - The 4:30 AM Lie
32:25 - The 20-Hour Rule
33:00 - A Day In Thirds
36:24 - Game-Changing Advice
41:08 - Life Happens For You
42:31 - The Book
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