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Dan Haylett
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  • Ep 80 - The 10 Commandments of Retirement with Fritz Gilbert
    What really matters in retirement? After the spreadsheets are done, the portfolio’s in place, and the paycheque has stopped, what's left? In this powerful and deeply human conversation, I sit down with Fritz Gilbert, author of Keys to a Successful Retirement and founder of The Retirement Manifesto, to explore the non-financial side of life after work. We dive into the real questions: How do you stay fulfilled? Where do you find purpose? And how do you avoid the emotional pitfalls so many retirees never see coming? Fritz shares his “10 Commandments of Retirement”, a personal code he created before stepping away from corporate life and how each one has guided his journey. From “Make No Obligations” to “Keep Eternity in Mind,” these principles offer a practical, heartfelt framework for anyone who wants to retire with intention, freedom, and joy. What You’ll Learn Why mindset matters more than money in retirement How to create your own guiding principles for life after work The 90/10 Rule: Why most people focus on the wrong things before retiring How Fritz skipped the “retirement depression” so many experience Why giving yourself space and grace in your first year can change everything How to find (or rediscover) your purpose in the second half of life The surprising power of legacy, contribution, and shared purpose Key Topics Discussed Fritz’s “10 Commandments of Retirement” and how they’ve held up over time The emotional challenges many retirees face and how to prepare for them What it means to shift from saving to spending, from doing to being The founding story of Freedom for Fido and how it brought deeper meaning to retirement The role of mindset, curiosity, and experimentation in building a rich post-career life Why “retirement planning” must include much more than your finances How to craft your own post-career mission, values, and personal compass Resources & Mentions The Retirement Manifesto Blog Keys to a Successful Retirement by Fritz Gilbert – Buy on Amazon Fritz’s article: The 10 Commandments of Retirement Freedom for Fido Charity Your Next Step Want to retire well? Start by writing your own commandments. Define your values, your purpose, and what a great life looks like before you leave work. Let’s Keep the Conversation Going Follow & connect with Fritz: LinkedIn Subscribe to Humans vs Retirement on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts Connect with Dan: LinkedIn Leave us a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review if this episode helped shift your perspective!
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  • Ep 79 - What Will I Do All Day? with Patrice Jenkins
    In this uplifting and thought-provoking episode, I sit down with Patrice Jenkins, author of What Will I Do All Day?, to explore the real heart of retirement beyond financial plans. Together, we dig into why retirement is not simply about staying busy, but about rediscovering meaning, purpose, identity, and joy. Patrice shares insights from her decades of counseling and interviews with retirees, offering a compassionate, practical guide to navigating the messy, magical transition into post-career life. What You Will Learn Why financial readiness alone doesn’t guarantee a happy retirement. The emotional stages of transitioning into retirement and why patience is crucial. How to rediscover passions, build social portfolios, and embrace “space.” Why successful retirements often include a form of meaningful "work." How to avoid the trap of being "busy but unfulfilled." Simple frameworks to plan your next two years, not just your next thirty. Key Topics Discussed The difference between hiding out and holding out when nearing retirement. The importance of purpose, agency, and intention in retirement planning. Why internal validation matters more than external praise after leaving work. How relationships - spouses, adult children, friendships - evolve post-retirement. Embracing play, experimentation, and curiosity in later life. Strategies to transition through the inevitable “messy middle” of change. How to think differently about work as part of a fulfilling retirement. Resources Mentioned What Will I Do All Day? by Patrice Jenkins Patrice’s Website — patricejenkins.com Richard Leider’s The Power of Purpose  Book Mention: Die With Zero by Bill Perkins Memorable Quotes "Retirement is not about keeping busy. It’s about living meaningfully and purposefully every day." — Patrice Jenkins "Work gave you structure, identity, and purpose — but your next chapter can too. It just takes intention." — Patrice Jenkins "Perhaps work kept you so busy that you forgot what you used to love. It's time to remember." — Patrice Jenkins "You don't have to figure out your whole retirement — just the next two years." — Dan A Takeaway Exercise The 'What Lit You Up?' Reflection Grab a pen and a notebook. Reflect and jot down: What activities made you lose track of time when you were 10 years old? What hobbies or interests did you abandon during your working years? What would you do with a free afternoon if no one was watching? Circle one that sparks excitement and design a small experiment to try it out in the next two weeks! A Final Thought Retirement isn’t the end of the story, it’s the beginning of a new one. The key isn’t to stay busy; it’s to stay true. Stay curious. Stay purposeful. Whether you're months away from retirement or years in, there’s always an opportunity to dream, to experiment, and to build a life you’re excited to wake up to. Stay Connected If you enjoyed this episode, please: Subscribe to The Humans vs Retirement Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts Leave a rating and review, it really helps! Share this episode with someone who’s thinking about (or struggling with) their retirement journey. Download for free my whitepaper - The Skill of Spending Money in Retirement Follow me on LinkedIn for more insights and updates. Subscribe to my weekly newsletter - The Retirement Fix
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  • The Four Phases of Retirement with Dr. Riley Moynes
    Summary In this powerful and insightful episode, I sit down with Dr. Riley Moynes, author, speaker, and creator of the viral TED Talk on "The Four Phases of Retirement," which has amassed nearly 5 million views. Together, we unpack why retirement is far more of a human problem than a financial one, and why so many retirees struggle despite having "enough" money. Riley shares the emotional, psychological, and personal transitions that retirees face and offers an actionable framework to help listeners navigate their post-work lives more meaningfully. What You Will Learn The Four Phases of Retirement and why most people will experience them. Why retirement is not just a financial challenge but a deeply human one. The common emotional and psychological struggles retirees face. How retirees can proactively prepare for the non-financial aspects of retirement. The importance of purpose, identity, relationships, and service to others in retirement. How to avoid becoming a "statistic" in retirement dissatisfaction. Key Topics Discussed Dr. Riley Moynes' personal career journey and how he developed the Four Phases of Retirement. Why traditional financial services fail to prepare people for the real challenges of retirement. A deep dive into each of the Four Phases: The Vacation Phase – The early, carefree, "holiday" phase of retirement. The Loss and Lost Phase – The period of disillusionment marked by loss of purpose, identity, relationships, and routine. The Trial and Error Phase – The experimental stage of trying new activities, facing failures, and re-finding purpose. The Reinvent and Rewire Phase – The fulfilling phase where retirees give back, often through service, and thrive with renewed purpose. The emotional impact of retirement and why depression, divorce, and dissatisfaction spike for many retirees. The predictable pattern of retirement struggles and why awareness is key. Why simple joys and purposeful service are at the heart of a successful retirement. Books and Resources Mentioned The Four Phases of Retirement: What to Expect When You're Retiring by Dr. Riley Moynes Dr. Riley Moynes’ viral TED Talk — "The 4 Phases of Retirement" Mention of Fritz Gilbert’s blog, The Retirement Manifesto Kübler-Ross Change Curve (Grief & Loss framework referenced in discussion) A Takeaway Exercise Your Unique Ability Reflection Dr. Moynes recommends this simple but powerful exercise: Write down the top 5 things you love to do and know you do really well. Reflect on 5 key wins, successes, or achievements in your life so far. Look for patterns and connections between the two lists. Ask yourself: Can I apply these skills, passions, or experiences to new areas in retirement? How can I use these to serve others and find fulfillment? This introspection can help you transition into the most meaningful phase of retirement. A Final Thought Retirement is not a finish line, it’s a transition into one of the most complex and potentially fulfilling stages of life. But it requires intentionality, emotional awareness, and often hard inner work. As Dr. Moynes reminds us, it’s not about endless vacations or financial spreadsheets; it’s about redefining purpose, reconnecting with joy, and ultimately serving something bigger than yourself. Retirement is a human challenge, not a maths problem. The sooner you embrace that, the smoother and more fulfilling your transition will be. Humans vs Retirement The Super Sunday Retirement Roundup Newsletter The Skill of Spending Money in Retirement Whitepaper The Humans vs Retirement Sketchstore Book in a Time For us to Chat About Your Retirement Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube 📩 Enjoyed the episode? Leave a review and let us know your biggest takeaway!
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  • The Ikigai Way: How to Uncover Your Purpose with David Marlow
    Episode Summary In this inspiring and heartfelt episode, I sit down with David Marlow, veteran leader, coach, and author of The Ikigai Way to explore how the ancient Japanese concept of Ikigai can powerfully guide us into a more fulfilling and purposeful retirement. From personal stories of career transitions to uncovering identity after work, David shares how aligning our inner essence with what we do can transform our experience of aging, retirement, and meaning in life. What You’ll Learn What Ikigai really means (beyond the Instagram-friendly Venn diagram) How to align your essence and purpose with daily life, before and after retirement The power of experimenting, curiosity, and continuous self-discovery How to reframe retirement from “ending” to “uncovering” Practical tools and reflections to help you discover your own Ikigai Key Topics Discussed David’s winding journey from disc jockey to Marine to transformation leader, and how Ikigai was always there Redefining purpose outside of career or job titles The emotional transition into retirement and how to handle the "grief" of identity loss Why older adults are uniquely primed for deep reflection and discovering Ikigai The mental and physical health benefits of having a clear sense of purpose How to use Ikigai as both a lens and a mirror in your second half of life Shifting from rigid goals to aspirational living The importance of community, relationships, and intergenerational mentoring Books & Resources Mentioned The Ikigai Way by David Marlow – A modern guide to discovering your essence and purpose David’s newsletter: IkiQuest on Substack – Daily reflections and community around Ikigai Falling Upward by Richard Rohr – Discussed in reference to life’s two halves and spiritual maturity Harvard Study on Adult Development – Cited as supporting evidence for the power of purpose and connection Blue Zones research – Referenced regarding community, longevity, and purpose in Okinawan culture Memorable Quotes “Ikigai is expressing your essence in harmony with whatever you’re doing—whether that's career, relationships, hobbies, or just life.” – David Marlow “You don’t find your Ikigai—you uncover it.” “Ask yourself: What’s your tennis ball? What makes you forget to eat?” “Retirement isn't about leaving something behind. It's about leaning into what’s always been within you.” Takeaway Exercise Ask yourself two powerful questions: When was the last time you had a truly great day? What were you doing? Who were you with? What’s one thing you do that makes you forget to eat? Use your answers to start mapping out the threads of your own Ikigai. Connect with David Marlow IkiQuest Newsletter on Substack davidmarlow.com David on LinkedIn The Ikigai Way  Final Thought Whether you’re five years away from retirement or already navigating the transition, this episode reminds us that purpose doesn’t end when work does. With small steps and deep reflection, you can uncover a life of fulfillment, alignment, and joy—your Ikigai. Humans vs Retirement The Super Sunday Retirement Roundup Newsletter The Skill of Spending Money in Retirement Whitepaper The Humans vs Retirement Sketchstore Book in a Time For us to Chat About Your Retirement Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube 📩 Enjoyed the episode? Leave a review and let us know your biggest takeaway!  
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  • The Retirement Mindset Shift with Lindsay Troxell
    Episode Summary Retirement isn’t just a financial transition, it’s a psychological and emotional one, too. In this episode of Humans vs. Retirement, I sit down with Lindsay Troxell, a coach and life planner who has been at the forefront of shifting the financial industry’s focus toward a more human-first approach. Lindsay shares powerful insights on mindset, identity, and habits, and why most people unknowingly experience an identity crisis in retirement. Lindsay and I explore how to reshape your beliefs, redefine purpose, and build new habits for a fulfilling second half of life. If you’ve ever asked yourself: Who am I without my job title? How do I retire with meaning? or Why does retirement feel like a letdown?, this episode is for you. What You’ll Learn in This Episode Why retirement isn’t just about money—and why financial security alone won’t make you happy. How habits and mindset shape your retirement experience (and how to rewire them). The common identity crisis retirees face—and how to navigate it with confidence. Why traditional financial planning treats retirement as a math problem, when it’s actually a human challenge. How to develop purpose, fulfillment, and structure in retirement. The importance of coaching and why having a financial plan isn’t enough. How Lindsay’s business, Discretionary Inc., helps child-free entrepreneurs create a unique life plan that reflects their values and goals. Key Topics Discussed [00:02] – Introduction & Catching Up Lindsay’s background in financial coaching and life planning. The shift from numbers-focused planning to a holistic, human-first approach. [00:10] – The Mindset Shift for Retirement Why people treat retirement as a math problem (and why that’s wrong). The emotional journey of retirement—why so many people feel lost after stopping work. The three-dimensional approach to retirement: wealth, health, and identity. [00:25] – Identity & Purpose in Retirement The biggest identity crisis retirees face (losing structure, title, and purpose). Why your identity is more than your job title. The "retire with" framework: What are you bringing into retirement? [00:40] – Mindset, Habits & Breaking Old Patterns How beliefs shape our retirement experience. The role of growth mindset and beginner mindset in reinvention. The importance of failure and experimentation in building a fulfilling retirement. [00:55] – Retirement & Relationships: The Gray Divorce Trend How retirement impacts marriages and partnerships. The rising trend of gray divorce (and why couples struggle post-retirement). The three journeys: Your individual path, your partner’s path, and your shared path. [01:10] – The Future of Retirement & Financial Planning Why coaching is the missing link in financial planning. How financial professionals need to adapt their services to serve clients better. Lindsay’s business Discretionary Inc. and why child-free entrepreneurs need specialized financial and life planning. [01:25] – Final Takeaways Why the traditional retirement model is outdated and needs to evolve. Practical steps to redefine your mindset and habits for a more fulfilling life. Lindsay’s best advice for people approaching retirement. Books & Resources Mentioned Books: The Psychology of Money – Morgan Housel Mindset: The New Psychology of Success – Carol S. Dweck Let Them – Mel Robbins Meditations – Marcus Aurelius Letters from a Stoic – Seneca The Bhagavad Gita – Hindu Philosophy on Purpose & Duty Research & Studies: Retirement & Depression: 40% increased risk of depression in retirees. Gray Divorce Trends: Divorce rates for 60+ have risen from 9% (1990) to 40% (recent years). Additional Resources: Morgan Housel’s Blog on Behavioral Finance Carol Dweck’s Research on Growth Mindset George Kinder’s Life Planning Method Connect with Us Follow Lindsay Troxell: Website: www.ourcoachinginitiative.com/ LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/lindsaytroxell/ Follow Dan & The Podcast: Website: www.humansvsretirement.com LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/dan-haylett-retirement-coach/ Subscribe on Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube 📩 Enjoyed the episode? Leave a review and let us know your biggest takeaway!
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Humans vs Retirement is the podcast that proves retirement isn’t just about money, it’s about life. Hosted by me Dan Haylett, I dive into the real, human side of retirement: the emotions, the mindset shifts, and the messy, wonderful journey of reinventing yourself for the next chapter. Through honest conversations with experts and inspiring stories from retirees themselves, you'll get the tools, ideas, and encouragement you need to retire to something, not just from something. If you want to make your second half even better than your first, hit subscribe and join the Humans vs Retirement community.
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