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    #336 George Noble: The Fiscal Bill Is Coming Due, Gold Could Double From Here, and the Death of Speculation Is Underway

    05/2/2026 | 54 mins.
    George Noble, CIO of Noble Capital Advisors, lays out his big theme for 2026: rotation. George argues that the debasement trade is the dominant macro narrative, with the bill coming due for decades of reckless fiscal and monetary policy. He calls the 60/40 portfolio dead, urging investors to dump bonds and buy gold, noting that gold miners could double in 12 months if prices hold. He makes the case that the AI trade is over. Noble sees energy as one of the most compelling opportunities. He expects emerging markets and foreign equities to continue outperforming the US, small caps to beat large caps, and the equal-weight S&P to trounce the cap-weighted index. His bottom line for investors: get out of bonds, buy gold, add energy, put money abroad, and switch from cap-weighted to equal-weight.

    Links:
    George Noble's Independent Research Conference: https://noble-capevents.com/
    X: https://x.com/gnoble79

    Timestamps:
    0:00 Welcome and intro to George Noble
    1:17 The debasement trade: The big macro picture
    3:42 The bill is coming due for decades of reckless policy
    5:10 The US government's math doesn't work — bond yields way too low
    6:55 2026 theme: Rotation — don't worship the altar of price
    7:06 The macro backdrop and where to be allocated
    7:33 US exceptionalism is fading — fiscal pulse now in Europe
    8:45 China outperforming the US — and it's going to continue
    9:48 Rotation out of US dollar-based assets
    11:27 Long bond headed north of 5%? Implications for housing
    13:27 Credit spreads tight, inflationary boom possible
    14:50 The bond market measured in gold — it's crashing
    16:26 The 60/40 portfolio is dead
    16:55 Inflation: People don't live on rate of change, they live on prices
    18:55 The K-shaped economy and rising prices everywhere
    20:41 Gold update: You cannot be bullish enough
    22:30 The song remains the same — macro drivers still in play
    24:04 Gold miners could double in 12 months
    25:21 Don't get caught up in short-term thinking
    26:45 The Dunning-Kruger Institute of Finance
    28:48 The death of speculation
    29:26 Is it a stock picker's market again?
    30:30 The Japan analogy: MAG 7 is today's Japan 1989
    32:16 Just avoid MAG 7 and you'll outperform
    33:23 Recency bias and why consensus is stuck
    34:42 George is not bearish — he's rotating
    35:12 Energy: Only 3% of the S&P — massively out of favor
    37:46 Oil prices and the case for energy equities
    39:14 Venezuela is a nothing burger — fade the hot takes
    40:41 AI trade is a short: Nvidia, Tesla, software
    43:05 SaaSmageddon and ServiceNow at 73x earnings
    45:51 Rotation: The theme in one word
    46:11 What should the average investor do?
    48:36 The playbook: Equal weight, gold, energy, foreign markets, no bonds
    49:19 March 11th conference
    53:00 Closing
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    #335 Alex Gurevich: Zero Interest Rates Are Not Off the Table, Deflation Is Coming, and the Next Perfect Trade

    03/2/2026 | 50 mins.
    Alex Gurevich, founder and Chief Investment Officer of HonTe Investments, a Bay Area-based investment management firm, and the author of The Next Perfect Trade and Wall Street Journal bestseller The Trades of March 2020, returns to The Julia La Roche Show. In this episode, Gurevich discuss his updated thesis on interest rates, deflation, and the forces shaping markets. He argues that zero interest rates are "not off the table" — and that the probability is far higher than the market is pricing. He sees labor market deterioration happening quietly under the surface, warning that "the less visible it is, the worse it's probably going to be" because policymakers won't act until it's too late. Unlike the consensus worried about inflation, Alex is firmly in the deflation camp, though he notes any deflation can be countered by fiscal stimulus — he just doesn't think the government will act aggressively enough given how burned they were by the post-COVID inflation. He also discusses his newly released second edition of "The Next Perfect Trade," explaining why he kept the original text intact to maintain intellectual honesty about what worked and what didn't over the past decade. He declares the 40-year bond bull market "definitively over," shares his framework on carry as an underappreciated edge, and offers a fascinating take on AI's future energy demands potentially exceeding the output of the sun.
    Links:
    Book: https://www.amazon.com/Next-Perfect-Trade-Magic-Necessity/dp/1544550014/
    X: https://x.com/agurevich23
    Website: https://honteinv.com/

    0:00 Welcome and congratulations on the second edition
    1:19 The Next Perfect Trade — second edition out now
    2:01 Setting the table: The macro view today
    3:30 All the fireworks have been in precious metals
    4:08 Interest rates are "pinned in confusion"
    4:45 Alex's view: Leaning toward zero rates
    5:40 Labor market deterioration — the less visible, the worse it will be
    7:20 The behavior of rates during Fed cutting cycles
    8:58 What zero rates would mean for the economy
    9:36 The relationship between stocks, jobs, rates, and growth is broken
    11:30 Could we have strong growth and weak jobs simultaneously?
    13:13 Deflation, not inflation
    14:10 The pendulum: Deflation, then too much stimulus, then inflation again
    15:25 Recency bias from COVID stimulus keeping government cautious
    16:02 Precious metals: What does the move signal?
    18:41 Why the second edition? Intellectual honesty
    20:29 Admitting mistakes: "It was arrogant of me"
    23:12 Growth as a trader — recognizing your weaknesses
    24:08 The one chart to rule them all — is the 40-year bond bull market over?
    25:41 Bull markets break up before they break down
    27:19 The 2020 bond breakout should have been a warning
    29:47 The underappreciated power of carry
    32:04 Be the casino, not the gambler
    33:30 The corporate borrowing rate indicator
    36:27 Why the indicator broke down in 2021-23
    38:26 Has the macro investing world changed?
    39:52 The most underappreciated force in macro right now
    42:46 AI's energy demand will overwhelm all sources — even fusion
    45:18 Is energy the trade?
    46:55 The perfect trade: Japan is getting interesting
    48:40 Where to find Alex and parting thoughts
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    #334 Chris Whalen: Trump's Fed Chair Pick Kevin Warsh Is a Classic Hawk, Why Gold Is Due for a Correction But The Bull Market Isn't Over, & The Private Credit Cesspool

    31/1/2026 | 35 mins.
    In this week's episode of The Wrap, Chris Whalen breaks down President Trump's nomination of Kevin Warsh as Fed Chair, calling him "the only choice" and a "classic hawk" who won't be afraid to lecture Congress on the link between deficits and inflation — something no Fed chair has done in 30 years. Chris explains why Warsh will likely shrink the balance sheet while giving Trump one or two rate cuts, and predicts the nomination may actually keep Powell on the board through 2028 just to deprive Trump of another conservative seat. On markets, Chris sees a more boring year ahead after 2025's extraordinary run, with gold and silver due for a 10-15% correction — though the bull market isn't over. He notes that crypto platforms like Hyperliquid are now trading precious metals, signaling money flowing from crypto into the "shiny object that's moving most." Chris also warns that private equity is becoming a major risk, with one in five firms now illiquid or in default, representing hundreds of billions in potential bank losses.
    Links:    
    The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/ 
    Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen    
    Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/   

    Timestamps:
    0:00 Welcome
    1:09 Kevin Warsh nominated as Fed Chair — Chris's reaction
    2:15 Warsh will have to build consensus on the FOMC
    3:01 Warsh won't be afraid to link deficits and inflation
    3:15 Will Warsh be more hawkish?
    4:26 Warsh during the financial crisis — what to expect
    5:25 The martyrdom of Jerome Powell: Yellen and Powell did too much
    6:04 Hard decisions the market won't like
    6:15 A conservative Fed puts pressure back on Congress
    7:21 Will Trump like Warsh lecturing on deficits?
    7:49 Powell refusing to say if he'll stay as governor
    9:32 Is staying on the board political?
    10:32 What will Powell's legacy be?
    12:09 The state of the Fed's balance sheet: Poor
    13:21 Central banks should keep assets short — the Fed didn't
    14:15 Powell's comments on the deficit being "unsustainable"
    16:08 Markets: S&P briefly hit 7000
    17:47 Credit-sensitive stocks under pressure, metals outperforming
    18:41 Labor market and layoffs: Amazon, UPS, FedEx
    19:19 Personnel costs and inflation
    19:42 Gold to $5,600, silver to $110 — correction coming?
    20:50 Crypto platforms now trading gold and silver
    22:21 Central bank gold holdings now exceed foreign Treasury holdings
    24:26 Where Chris is putting his money
    24:43 WGA 50 bank rankings preview
    26:57 Private equity risk: 1 in 5 firms illiquid or in default
    28:29 AI companies leveraged to their eyebrows
    28:50 Viewer mail: Taking profits on Annaly?
    32:29 Parting thoughts: Earnings, Warsh, and what's ahead
    34:47 Closing
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    #333 Danielle DiMartino Booth on Powell's Policy Errors, Why Unemployment Is Headed to 6%, and Gold Going Meme

    29/1/2026 | 34 mins.
    Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO and Chief Strategist at QI Research, breaks down why the Fed's decision to pause was both premature and political, arguing Powell is "committing policy errors to quietly dig at the administration." She explains why the Fed should have cut today — and why she believes we need 100 basis points of cuts given deteriorating labor market data that Powell is choosing to ignore. Danielle unpacks the DOJ subpoena drama, revealing that betting markets dropped Powell's odds of leaving by August from 90% to 60% after the charges, and she believes he's now "enjoying the cat and mouse" with Trump. She revisits her open letter calling for the FOMC to elect Chris Waller as chair, explains why Rick Rieder would be "inviting the fox into the hen house," and shares her bold prediction: unemployment will have a 6 handle within a year. Plus, she discusses the hidden stress signals in Buy Now Pay Later data and why gold is behaving like a "meme stock."

    Links:
    Danielle's open letter: https://quillintelligence.com/2025/12/10/the-weekly-quill-open-letter-2/
    Danielle's open letter part 2: https://quillintelligence.com/2026/01/22/the-weekly-quill-open-letter-ii-public/
    Danielle's Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/dimartinobooth
    Substack: https://dimartinobooth.substack.com/
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DanielleDiMartinoBoothQI
    Fed Up: https://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Insiders-Federal-Reserve/dp/0735211655

    Timestamps:
    0:00 Welcome
    1:05 The Powell subpoena: Danielle's reaction
    3:35 Betting markets: Powell leaving odds dropped
    4:51 Powell is the cat, Trump is the mouse
    5:54 Why Powell is being political by NOT cutting rates
    6:35 How Powell moved the goalposts on rate probability
    7:32 The contradiction: Integrity vs. ignoring the American people
    8:33 Financial conditions are easy because of passive investing, not the Fed
    9:19 The shutdown has affected data integrity
    10:05 Outlook for the year: Rate cuts coming?
    10:50 Conference Board labor differential — recession signal
    12:06 Should he have cut today? Yes. We need 100 basis points of cuts
    12:52 Open Letter Part Two: Why the FOMC should have elected Chris Waller
    15:03 Rick Rieder: Inviting the fox into the hen house?
    16:34 Who will be the next Fed chair?
    17:35 What we don't understand about Fed chair transitions
    19:04 The questions reporters should have asked Powell
    21:29 Hidden signal: Google searches for "file unemployment" keep rising
    22:28 Buy Now Pay Later for dental bills and utilities — the stress is real
    25:41 Gen Z risk appetite and the environment that shapes investors
    26:45 Gold is a meme now
    29:01 DoubleLine roundtable: Long utilities, short financials
    31:14 Commercial real estate capitulation and bankruptcies
    32:14 Bold prediction: Unemployment will have a 6 handle by next year
    33:20 Parting thoughts: Don't forget about your neighbors
    33:45 Closing
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    #332 Chris Whalen: Trump Doesn't Want Home Prices to Fall — But He Has No Choice

    24/1/2026 | 36 mins.
    In this week's episode of The Wrap, Chris Whalen breaks down President Trump's Davos speech, noting that despite promises on housing affordability, the administration has no real plan to lower prices — and Trump explicitly said he doesn't want home prices to fall. Chris explains why that won't matter: hot markets like San Diego and Florida are already cooling, and he predicts a significant correction by 2028 that could push prices back to 2020-21 levels, leaving every mortgage made since COVID underwater. He warns that Trump will "run the economy hot" to win the midterms, with consequences to pay afterward. On rates, Chris explains why long-term yields keep rising despite Fed cuts and what happens if a new Fed chairman loses an FOMC vote. He also discusses gold's march toward $5,000, calling it "the return of gold" as central banks worldwide reverse 70 years of policy, and weighs in on the FDIC's approval of Ford and GM to establish deposit-taking banks.

    Links:    
    The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/ 
    https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira802
    Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen    
    Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/   

    Timestamps:
    0:00 Welcome and intro
    0:50 Trump at Davos: Greenland walkback and housing
    2:55 The two sides of housing: Owners vs. buyers
    4:00 401(k) withdrawals for down payments — does it help?
    5:00 Why stoking demand pushes prices higher
    6:17 Hot markets cool first: San Diego, Florida, Carolinas
    7:58 Demographics and housing: Boomers vs. millennials
    8:37 Rate cuts coming and the 2028 correction
    9:35 What happens if prices fall 20%? Every post-COVID loan underwater
    10:10 Signs to watch for a broader market shift in 2026
    12:36 Why long-term rates rise when the Fed cuts
    14:15 How lenders are feeling right now
    15:14 Gold closing in on $5,000
    16:28 Trump will run the economy hot for the midterms
    18:05 You pay for it after the election
    18:51 What if the new Fed chair loses an FOMC vote?
    21:00 What should the Fed actually be doing?
    22:45 The asymmetry of gold and silver investments
    26:32 The return of gold: Central banks reverse 70 years of policy
    27:06 Peter Schiff's crisis call — does Chris buy it?
    28:36 FDIC approves Ford and GM banks — what it means
    32:46 Viewer mail: Gold as a hedge for real estate
    33:45 Viewer mail: Stable coins debate
    35:30 Closing

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Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on "The Julia La Roche Show" have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.
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